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Topic : 03/31 Love Smart, Part 1

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(Original Air Date: 12/06/05) It's Dr. Phil after dark! Dr. Phil is having a champagne party - with an audience full of single men and women looking to meet Mr. and Ms. Right. Using his new book, Love Smart: Find the One You Want - Fix the One You Got, Dr. Phil teaches these singles how to be smart when it comes to love and relationships, and how to "bag 'em, tag 'em and take 'em home!" Noelle says she's a horrible dater and never gets called back for date number two. Dr. Phil sends her out with a man and critiques her technique. How is she sending the wrong message? Then, a beauty queen who never thought she would still be single at 37 says her biological clock is "gonging!" Does this mean she'll put up with just about anything? Dr. Phil puts her to the test. And, three single women who are looking for love in all the wrong places want Dr. Phil to help them find Mr. Right. See what happens when they participate in revolving dates while Dr. Phil coaches them through an earpiece. Whether you can't find a good candidate, can't close the deal, or get them home and realize they aren't who you thought they were -- you are about to earn your black belt in relationships! Talk about the show here.


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December 6, 2005, 11:42 pm PST

making assumptions about older women

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I personally don't chase after women half my age because I don't have a need to prove my manliness to myself or others, but there are some very good reasons I would consider a younger woman. For one thing, they haven't spent a lifetime being miserable and developing a very hostile attitude towards men (yet). They are still curious enough about sex to be interested. They still know how to have fun,  they whine less, are less judgemental, and don't spend as much time looking for faults. In short, they are willing to give a guy at least half a chance.

This is my first time responding to a msg board; I couldn't let your comments pass. I know that you don't mean for all your assumptions to apply to older women. Let me take them in order. 

  

(1) --an assumption that older women have spent a lifetime being miserable. I have a circle of older women friends (we are between 50 and 67; I am 58). Not one of us is miserable. Indeed, we have learned a few lessons. Not all women have a hostile attitude toward men. As we have gotten older, we have also gotten much smarter at making the right choices, and just won't stand for someone who isn't as interested in us as we are of them, or hasn't learned from their past relationships, or treats us like we were dog meat. Many of us older women are better at having relationships that are not shallow. 

  

(2) Curious about sex--we just don't jump into bed on a first date, or even the second or third. We prefer the old-fashioned and unencumbered way--get to know a person before making such a huge emotional (and sex is emotional) commitment. Besides, the fastest growing group for AIDS happens to be women over the age of 50 (I read that somewhere), and no one wants to be in that group. 

  

(3) We definitely know how to have fun. We travel, attend college (fun classes in continuing ed), volunteer a lot, try new things, etc. 

  

(4) As for whining--I have found just the opposite in older women. The older my friends and I have gotten, the much more mellowed-out we have become. We have learned what is important in our lives, and that every day is precious and shouldn't be wasted on complaining. In short, don't sweat the small stuff. No one is perfect, and if we were to spend time looking for faults, no one would be dating. But, I DO know what I want and don't want (and look for surprises in between).  For example, I absolutely will not date a smoker--I have asthma. I will not give the time of day to someone who has children and does not pay any attention to them; same goes for the way a man may treat his parents (assuming they are alive--that's usually not a problem in my age group). I will not get involved with a man who has a drinking problem. And, I will not continue to get into a car with someone who just won't drive safely. If that is fault finding, then so be it. My safety is worth a lot more than someone who doesn't care about mine or theirs. 

  

My experience with men who are divorced is that most of them have been very bitter with their ex-wives, and assume all women will "treat you wrong"  because their wives did. Not true. Kind of like eating a bad meal at a restaurant, and swearing off eating out ever again.   

  

In summary, I am not unlike many of my female friends: We are retired, very financially secure (some of us own 2 houses and 2 cars), highly educated--we have graduate degrees, we live in beautiful homes, exercise daily, travel, volunteer with several organizations, have hobbies, participate in sports, and take care of ourselves. We are constantly learning. We are not averse to having a relationship with a nice guy (marriage is not always the goal). We even go to places where you would meet men (just no bars). 

  

I got married late--my career was my #1 priority until I did. (Remember that study that said single women who hadn't married by the time they were 40 had a better chance of getting killed by a terrorist?) When my then-husband said--You can't stay married to me because you didn't change your name and that means you don't love me (something we discussed at length before getting married)--well, I thought, perhaps I would have been better off never marrying. I was very happy being single, and I am still happy (divorced). But finding someone after the age of 50 is not easy. Is a man the end-all answer for every woman? No--and that is one difference that we older women have learned that many younger women have not. And, unlike a lot of younger women, we don't fret the week away because we are not dating or involved with some guy. My mother said it all: "I like the fact that I enjoy my own company." You have to be comfortable with yourself first. When you know who you are, you can bring so much more to a relationship.  

  

I would like to see Dr. Phil address issues that older women (from the comments on this board, it seems that group starts at age 40) would be interested in. I don't know a female under the age of 50 who watches him (they are too busy with their jobs and children)--certainly he has to know that a good portion of his viewing audience, from my perspective, is "older."         

 
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December 7, 2005, 12:04 am PST

MEN ARE NOT EVERYWHERE!!!

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After reading some of the messages, I want to say to all the women that Men are eveywhere.   

  

I don't believe in the bar scene, or online dating.  Been there. Done that.  Long enough.  Didn't work for me.   

  

Let me tell you a little story; 

  

I have been in bars for 1 year before I met my previous partner.    

  

I was tired of being alone.   So, I planned a trip to put some excitment in my life. 

  

I was looking to take pictures for my passeport.  He was working at that photo shop.  We started talking about the prices and the service.  I was in a great mood because I was travelling.   He was mesmerized because of my positive attitude and enjoyable mood that I was in. 

  

The conversation led naturally to a more personal topic where I learned that he was single.  I was feeling so comfortable within my skin that I invited him to join me in the little bar where I was heading later.   

  

He came.  It lasted 4 years. 

  

I grabbed an opportunity,  taking the risk of being rejected.   All that time spent in bars where the men are just oooohhh so not ready to commit.... what a waste of time.  I just needed to speak to strangers.  There is more quality there. 

  

Have I been rejected in the past? Sure!  Many times.  Everydody does.  Cute or not.  Do you see J Lo or Jennifer Anniston having the best time with men?  Their beauty doesn't seem to serve them better then the rest of us. 

  

I am not a supermodel.   But he made me feel like a princess for 4 years.  We broke up because we stopped "dating".  The spark was lost. 

  

Men are everywhere 

  

Good,  Available,  not Supercial,  Wanting to Comit Men are everywhere.    

  

I think that to be successful at dating, you need to have that vibrant feeling of a "million dollars" and some techniques from Dr. Phil,  develop some abilities to talk to strangers and you will sure find the "One"  

  

Overweight or not.  

  

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.   

 

I DO KNOW WERE I LIVE.  MEN ARE NOT EVERYWHERE!!! 

 

I HAVE LOOKED FOR OVER 30 YEARS:  HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE, WORLD OF WORK, CHURCH. 

 

ANY EXTRAS?????? SEND THEM MY DIRECTION!!! 

 

BlueAngel 

 
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December 7, 2005, 12:41 am PST

12/06 Love Smart, Part 1

Quote From: nursefaye

Dr Phil, It must be easy to select the prettiest woman that write in and fix them up with dates. How about us "older" women? The ones that have been married before, or are overweight, or have a health problem? Do we just give up on love because we are not pretty enough or young enough? I am a 55 year old twice divorced woman who would love help to meet suitable men but your shows are always about fixing up 20 somethings and they are all attractive. I don't scare babies and with the right makeup and hair style I can be presentable but I will never be that woman in her 20's that can meet a man and have him tripping all over himself to give me his number. So should I just give up on having someone in my life because I am less desirable?
  1. Dr. Phil,  I, too, am an older woman of 66 years.  I've never been married after having been left at the alter at the tender age of 21.  All TV programs like yours seem to center around the younger people.  I know that's the age the advertisers like.  I just retired this year after making my job my life.for the past 46 years.  It would be nice to meet someone who wasn't looking for a Miss America.  I'm overweight, have arthritis, but still would enjoy a dinner out with a male companion. 
 
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December 7, 2005, 3:10 am PST

Let's face it!

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I assume nothing. I speak through a great deal of personal experience.  "whining is a pejorative assumption made by the listener."  In this case, I believe that would be you, and you would prove my point rather well had I been making one. I was merely offering some positive qualities I have noticed in younger women that were lacking in the last few women I have dated who were in my age group. I suspect there are plenty of women who are not like this, but I haven't been looking all that hard. You have read far too much into what I have written, but thanks for your input. I enjoyed reading your opinion. 

Guys want younger women because they are ego-boosting arm candy. But it comes with a price.  They are usually gold-diggers and have a sense of entitlement that the world owes them something because of their youth and looks. As I said in a previous post, men want the bimbo on their arms and the bimbo will soak you for whatever she can get.  Nice basis for a lasting relatonship. 
 
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December 7, 2005, 3:21 am PST

Don't give up!!!

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I can't help but think at least all these women have had prospects.  I am almost 25 and have never had a boyfriend or even been asked out!  The only "date" I have ever had was a set up and went nowhere.  It seems like I am not even getting chances to show people who I am.  I admit I am shy and a little hard to get to know, and I don't do well in crowds, but batting eyelashes and flipping hair is not me and I would just feel ridiculous flirting.  I don't know how to find a guy without pursuing one like a hunter.  Ideas? 

Hey, I was a very shy girl too, but did meet and marry the most wonderful guy in the world. I felt it was right early on because I immediately felt VERY  comfortable with him and we enjoyed talking to each other and going places together and getting to know each other.  I felt no need to try to impress, it happened naturally.   

Personally I feel that the "flipping hair" and batting eyelashes that alot of young girls resort to looks stupid and pathetic.  And any guy that falls for that deserves the phony, vacuous chick that he gets.  Go for substance and quality, instead of the phony garbage that is out there. Try to follow your interests and meet guys that way. I never liked crowds either and don't think that type of atmosphere is the right place.  Be friendly...that will attract people who aren't superficial enough to go for the hair flipping act.  Good luck and be optimistic..it CAN happen for you! 

 
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December 7, 2005, 3:27 am PST

Dutch

Noelle.... have you ever thought of at least just each of you paying for yourself rather than you paying for both?
 
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December 7, 2005, 3:42 am PST

Little Lessons from my kids...

One of my teenage sons who has alot going for him has liked this girl this past year.  Now what bothers him is that she is always surrounded by her friends.  He feels like he can't get to her.  He has a name for these girls surrounding her like her body guards or something like that.  But he has given up on her because of this.  I suggested to him that he calls her.  But it bothers him that he just can't talk to her at school without them being in the way.  Now my oldest teenage daughter just went on a date this weekend that he called her and asked her out.  She is shy.  They didn't even hold hands.  *sigh*  She read thru this Love Smart web pages because she said she doesn't want to be old and lonely and wants to learn something to help her in her dating life.  The only thing I didn't like about her date is that our dog barked and growled at him for 15 minutes.  (She hardly barks at anyone.  It made me have to wonder as a parent if he had drugs or something  **laugh**....  ) otherwise I liked him.  NOW a lesson from my baby he is 8 yrs old.  AW now this is sweet.  Well he liked this girl who has been in his class for the past 3 years.  I know her and she is a cutie.  Unbeknownst to me, he goes and gets her this gumball machine ring.  It was really pretty and had silver hearts all connected around in a circle.  He writes her this note that say "I like you.  Will you be my girlfriend?"  He tapes it all up and puts a big crayon colored pink heart on it and then he tapes the ring to it.  And he gives it to her after school cuz he said he didn't want to get "catched" by the teacher."  Well 2 days later she sends him a note that says: "I am too young to have a boyfriend, but can I keep the ring?"  He writes her back and says: "Why do you want to keep the ring?"  And she writes back and says "because it's pretty."  And he writes back and says:  "OK then you can keep the ring."  He thought of this all himself.  Noone suggested it.  hmmmmmmm. 
 
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December 7, 2005, 4:22 am PST

12/06 Love Smart, Part 1

Quote From: wespauley

I personally don't chase after women half my age because I don't have a need to prove my manliness to myself or others, but there are some very good reasons I would consider a younger woman. For one thing, they haven't spent a lifetime being miserable and developing a very hostile attitude towards men (yet). They are still curious enough about sex to be interested. They still know how to have fun,  they whine less, are less judgemental, and don't spend as much time looking for faults. In short, they are willing to give a guy at least half a chance.

I'm an older woman and I'm the least miserable, hostile person I know!  

  

But I do concede that judgemental, hostile, superficial whiners come in both sexes. Wouldn't you agree?  

  

The key is to look for self-fulfillment outside of what others bring to the table, and enrich our own lives rather than continuing to blame others for past transgressions. The older I get, the happier I am, because I've lived my life the way I wanted and continue to achieve and discover new passions every day. Who says I can't learn snowboarding or get my PhD at this point in life? And, because I'm older, I appreciate the intricate beauty of life (i.e., the simple pleasures) much moreso than when I was 25. 

  

I always say that my greatest charactaristic is that I learn from my mistakes and don't repeat them. Hence, I don't fall into the "miserable and hostile' rut. 

  

BTW...remember that it is a biological fact that women don't reach their sexual peak until their late 30's....so all the "sexual curiosity" in the world is no match for a primed libido, tiger! 

  

  

 
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December 7, 2005, 6:15 am PST

12/06 Love Smart, Part 1

Dear Dr. Phil, 

  

I do agree with what the 'older' women have had to say.  I am 52, twice divorced and just ended a 4.5 year relationship ...I really thought that he was 'the one' and that we would grow old together .. but sadly ... so it goes. 

  

As for speed dating ... that it for the 35's and younger .... there are no speed dating scenes in my city for the over 50's. 

  

As for the Internet, the 60 year old guys are looking for blonde bimbettes aged 30 and younger .... what are they thinking? .... only sex??? My Internet profile states what I am looking for ... and when I see who was 'viewed me', I shudder - not my type at all!!   I am very young at heart and active for my age ... I do get out and about .. but most of my girlfriends are married ... and I am the spare wheel as such.  So, do I just give up hope of finding love? 

  

I would like to find a loving companion that I don't have to fix (why would I want to fix him?) ... any ideas where I can find such a mate ...? ... as the Internet DOES not appear to be the place! ... and private dating introduction services (which I have tried) are expensive and do not work either. 

  

I read part of your new book on the Net ...some good ideas ... but please do bear in mind its difficult to 'meet' a prospective Mr. Right in the first place. 

 

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December 7, 2005, 9:08 am PST

Stereotyping

Quote From: wespauley

I assume nothing. I speak through a great deal of personal experience.  "whining is a pejorative assumption made by the listener."  In this case, I believe that would be you, and you would prove my point rather well had I been making one. I was merely offering some positive qualities I have noticed in younger women that were lacking in the last few women I have dated who were in my age group. I suspect there are plenty of women who are not like this, but I haven't been looking all that hard. You have read far too much into what I have written, but thanks for your input. I enjoyed reading your opinion. 

You made a bunch of pejorative assumptions about older women, generalizing to a demographic, based on your experiences with a few women.  I called you on it & then you appear to insinuate that I'M whining.  If you had made the same pejorative statements about African Americans or another ethic group, you would have been called on that as well.  That's life on the internet--stereotype & you will get called on it, particularly if it's pejorative stereotypes.   

  

It's an interesting tactic at work here.  You can say "People in group A are angry people."  Someone in group A can say, "I find your stereotyping offensive."  And then you say, "See?  I told you people in group A are angry."  I correctly figured you would twist my response of not being pleased to be stereotyped into an assertion that your point has been proven.   

  

Thank you for enjoying reading my opinion. 

  

 
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