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Topic : 03/31 Love Smart, Part 1

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(Original Air Date: 12/06/05) It's Dr. Phil after dark! Dr. Phil is having a champagne party - with an audience full of single men and women looking to meet Mr. and Ms. Right. Using his new book, Love Smart: Find the One You Want - Fix the One You Got, Dr. Phil teaches these singles how to be smart when it comes to love and relationships, and how to "bag 'em, tag 'em and take 'em home!" Noelle says she's a horrible dater and never gets called back for date number two. Dr. Phil sends her out with a man and critiques her technique. How is she sending the wrong message? Then, a beauty queen who never thought she would still be single at 37 says her biological clock is "gonging!" Does this mean she'll put up with just about anything? Dr. Phil puts her to the test. And, three single women who are looking for love in all the wrong places want Dr. Phil to help them find Mr. Right. See what happens when they participate in revolving dates while Dr. Phil coaches them through an earpiece. Whether you can't find a good candidate, can't close the deal, or get them home and realize they aren't who you thought they were -- you are about to earn your black belt in relationships! Talk about the show here.


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March 31, 2006, 11:55 pm PST

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>For one thing, they haven't spent a lifetime being miserable and developing a very hostile attitude towards men (yet).  

  

That's red flag #1 - your assumption that older women have developed a very hostile attitude toward men & that women as they age are at risk of such. 

  

>They are still curious enough about sex to be interested.  

  

Red flag #2 - the stereotype that older women are not interested in sex. 

  

>They still know how to have fun,  

  

Red flag #3 - Your assumption that older women don't know how to have fun. 

  

 >they whine less 

  

Red flag #4 - Your assumption that older women whine more.  Incidentally, "whining" is a pejorative assumption made by the listener.  If a guy often makes pejorative assumptions, that's another red flag about him.   

  

,>are less judgemental, 

and don't spend as much time looking for faults. In short, they are willing to give a guy at least half a chance. 

  

Red flag #5 - More pejorative assumptions about older women.  Older individuals, men & women, are more likely to know what their deal breakers are from experience.  I know a 64 year-old widower who now makes smoking & excessive drinking deal-breakers.  (His wife died due to her bad habits.)  I know an 48 year-old divorced guy who says he now knows chemistry is not enough for a relationship, & now requires good communication for a relationship to proceed.  Both these men are more aware of what they want & their former wives never would have made it to the second date.  I know older women who have learned lessons along those lines, as well.  But you're framing this perjoratively. 

  

I don't know how old you are & exactly what you mean by "older".  I'm in my 40s.  But I would never date a guy who had so many negative assumptions about my demographic.  If you would like women to give you at least half a chance, then I suggest YOU be less judgemental & don't spend as much time looking for the faults of women in a certain demographic. 

  

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March 31, 2006, 11:59 pm PST

TRUE

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Men age like wine, while women age like milk.

MEN TAKE FOREVER TO GROW UP.......IM 33 I THINK I WILL LOOK FOR 40 SOMETHING
 
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April 1, 2006, 12:09 am PST

WOW U R SWEET

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Ok, this is just a quick note to cover lots of messages.  I agree with both sides of the issue here on age.  Prettty women do sell advertising dollars, and it would be interesting to see Phil take on some older or less pretty women, and some men.  I am almost 40 and still single.  Always been the best friend, or the third wheel.  But in the end, I think its all in God's timing so I try not to worry about it too much.  Then again, I also would feel a little strange jumping right to such straightforward questions as were on the show today, although they did say they only had 3 minutes.  I'm not sure how that works, I'm a little out of the "popular" loop.  Most men want eye candy, and women want money & eye candy, but I would rather wake up next to a less attractive woman and happy than next to a model and miserable. 

PS.  I've watched alot of people over the years, and here's some advice: I know if you get someone in the bar to leave their significant other for you, you'll feel special, but don't be too shocked when they leave you for someone else in the bar. 

  

I AM 33 AND SINGLE AND I CHOOSE CUZ I WANT BETTER THAN ABUSE 11 YRS  WITH MY TRUE LOVE  HE WAS OK.... BUT I WASNT ENOUGH WHEN I GOT SICK.........SOMEDAY GOD WILL GRACE ME.........
 
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April 1, 2006, 12:17 am PST

THATS CUTE

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My dad told me before he died that a famous preacher once stated "Women are the sandpaper that God uses to knock the rough edges off of men". I will be the first to admit that I (and most men I know) could use a little fine tuning, but there is a huge difference between a little sanding and major grinding.
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April 1, 2006, 12:39 am PST

WELL I THINK MEN R CONFUSING

I DONT GET MEN AT ALL. I HAVE HAD 3 SERIOUSE RELATIONSHIPS AND DATED A FEW. BUT I ONLY PICKED ONE THAT WAS WORTH ANYTHING NO NOT $ HE WAS GOOD BUT HE HAD FLAWS AND I STUCK WITH HIM BUT WHEN I NEEDED HIM OH WELL SO WITHOUT GETTING TO INTO THAT I DONT GET IT NOW HE ONLY TALKS WHEN HE WANTS SOMETHING HE STILL LOVES ME AND I HAVE SEEN IT WE DO THINGS ONCE IN AWHILE AND OTHERS SEE IT TO BUT HE WONT TALK HE WROTE ME BUT THATS WHEN HE THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GET MARRIED SO HE DONT WANT ANTONE TO HAVE ME????? HE IS SEEING SOMEONE THAT HE DONT LOVE SHE HAS 3 KIDS NOT HIS AND HE ONLY DOES THINGS WITH HER WHEN THEY R GONE AND SHE ALWAYS BUYS HE GOT HER NOTHING FOR CHRISTMAS AND NOTHING FOR HER BIRTHDAY SHE IS OBSSESSED WITH HIM ANDBUYS HIM STUFF INSTEAD OF PAYING HER BILLS...SHE WAS MARRIED TO HER HUSBAND AND GOT HIS NAME AND TEAM ON HER TO PROVE LOVE CUZ SHE CHEATED BEFORE LOTS AND WAS PROVING HE WAS DIF HE BOUGHT IT...MY SICKNESS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THINGS MADE HIM GO TO THAT.....I CARRY THE GUILT SHE ID MEAN TO OUR SON HE HATES HER AND HIS DAD DONT CARE WELL I WOULDNT DO THAT TO MY KID HE IS 1ST.......I DONT GET LOVE ?????
 
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April 1, 2006, 8:32 am PST

Widowed and need teaching

Quote From: surudder1

 As an almost 63 year old I'm glad to see some other posts from 'older' women who think we are underrepresented on shows like this one.  I definitely would like to see a program about Love Smart that addresses our 'unique' problems. I'm not even interested in getting married again--just looking for someone who would enjoy sharing his life with me, going places, etc. I've lived on my own for 30 years so I don't need someone to take care of me (hmm, is this part of the problem?) I have girlfriends to do things with but most of them have husbands so they aren't always available. Come on Dr. Phil, do a show on "geezer dating"!!
Dr. Phil I agree  about the seasoned dating (better worded than geezer).  I am widowed and am lost about the dating scene.  How do you go about it when you have been out of it for over50 years.  I think you should do a show on this topic for us that have forgotten how.  I have tried the online dating thing but not to impressed with it.  I don't do the bar scene either because I don't drink.  My vice is smoking, which I have tried to give up but gained 40 pounds.  Now I can't loose it.  Show me the way!!!!!
 

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April 1, 2006, 9:06 am PST

Call me bitter. I don't care!

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 I agree  with all of the replies.  I have seen past dating shows and most of them have focused on those in their 20s and 30s.  And yes, who plays with their food on a first date, that is just disgusting.  I have been married (21 years) raised to wonderful children and I'm in the prime of my life.   I'm active, work part-time (just to be around people ... definitely not for the money)  and those on-line that seem really interested and compatable are those that are so far away.    Some of us just aren't ready to relocate to a big city like LA or NY.  And maybe there is something I'm doing wrong, who knows.   Still where is the advise and help for those of us single, over 40 and ready to have live life and have fun and find love all over again?

 I was on here the last time Love Smart was aired and the same kind of things about the age and attractiveness factor were being said. It was heartening to read from all the people over 40, like me, who felt that we were being excluded and we are. 

  

But let's face it, kids, those of us over 40 are confronted with even bigger challenges than just what to say in two minutes during a speed dating event! I can't even find a speed dating event that includes my age group (female 46) and I live in a large urban area! Forget online dating when you're an older female too. A lot of the men who go on there in their 40s are looking for a smorgasbord of younger women. Filter out the freaks and the weirdos and you're not left with much to choose from...If one more person helpfully informs me that I'd better be willing to date much older men or I'm going to be lonely, I think I'll scream! This kind of advice, invariably comes from someone under 39 and is not helpful. 

  

I have yet to see any mention by Dr. Phil or his producers, or anyone else involved in making the show, of the fact that older single people have been ignored.  This forum has been full of us complaining . No surprises here, really, are there? I mean we're talking about the ol' double standard. Young, attractive people SELL,end of story.  

  

Look, at first, I was disappointed and resentful of the fact that these Love Smart shows, the book, the special etc., were totally falling into the Hollywood trap - that same ol' youth and vitality factor.  But ah...hello!!  When we were all in our 20s, would we have wanted to watch a show about oldies who can't get dates? There are indeed some universally useful suggestions for any age about relating to the opposite sex but from what we've been shown obviously, there are a lot of additional challenges - especially  females over 40. Dr. Phil needs a whole different show to handle this. Will he do it? Probably not, because it doesn't SELL! 

  

I guess what I've decided is that I had my turn. I blew it. Now, it's up to me to accept that being perpetually single is my lot in life.  Or else...maybe Dr. Phil will write another book for us. It can be entitled, "Love ...For Old Farts!" 

 
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April 1, 2006, 5:27 pm PST

my take on things

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I DONT GET MEN AT ALL. I HAVE HAD 3 SERIOUSE RELATIONSHIPS AND DATED A FEW. BUT I ONLY PICKED ONE THAT WAS WORTH ANYTHING NO NOT $ HE WAS GOOD BUT HE HAD FLAWS AND I STUCK WITH HIM BUT WHEN I NEEDED HIM OH WELL SO WITHOUT GETTING TO INTO THAT I DONT GET IT NOW HE ONLY TALKS WHEN HE WANTS SOMETHING HE STILL LOVES ME AND I HAVE SEEN IT WE DO THINGS ONCE IN AWHILE AND OTHERS SEE IT TO BUT HE WONT TALK HE WROTE ME BUT THATS WHEN HE THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GET MARRIED SO HE DONT WANT ANTONE TO HAVE ME????? HE IS SEEING SOMEONE THAT HE DONT LOVE SHE HAS 3 KIDS NOT HIS AND HE ONLY DOES THINGS WITH HER WHEN THEY R GONE AND SHE ALWAYS BUYS HE GOT HER NOTHING FOR CHRISTMAS AND NOTHING FOR HER BIRTHDAY SHE IS OBSSESSED WITH HIM ANDBUYS HIM STUFF INSTEAD OF PAYING HER BILLS...SHE WAS MARRIED TO HER HUSBAND AND GOT HIS NAME AND TEAM ON HER TO PROVE LOVE CUZ SHE CHEATED BEFORE LOTS AND WAS PROVING HE WAS DIF HE BOUGHT IT...MY SICKNESS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THINGS MADE HIM GO TO THAT.....I CARRY THE GUILT SHE ID MEAN TO OUR SON HE HATES HER AND HIS DAD DONT CARE WELL I WOULDNT DO THAT TO MY KID HE IS 1ST.......I DONT GET LOVE ?????
you need to move on....and start loving yourself first and not look for someone else to make you happy..make your self happy, and please stop typing in red..it hurts my eyes.
 
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April 1, 2006, 5:34 pm PST

not sure

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I have watched the Dr. Phil show many times, but none ever moved me to come to the website as this one.  Here is the saga of my social life. I am  black, single mother of two beautiful kids. After  10 year relationship, I am looking for what I term the man that is "perfect for me". I have tried internet dating, and have met  some men, but  so often there is this impasse. I am currently pursuing my Phd and after evaluating myself, I realize that there are a few things that are critical to me: breadth and depth of knowledge which mostly comes with being educated, and a sense of self, that is someone who has done some deep thinking and has found his life's purpose.  I find that these qualities in one package is a rarity within the African American community. So many of the opposite sex tell me that I am great, wonderful, outgoing, fun , and funny, but then are intimidated by my academic achievement and future aspirations. I have heard similar stories from female friends.So, I am wondering is Mr."perfect for me " out there???? 

i am not sure about the african american community....heck i am not even sure of the caucasian community..i feel out of touch of the prevailing community feeling...but my feeling...the achievements and aspirations is what i want in a partner. I think it is good thing to have those motivations to be the best you can. So those are major attractions to me. the fact you are also great, wonderful, outgoing, fun and funny....even better!!! You sound like a fun person..
 
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April 1, 2006, 10:15 pm PST

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you need to move on....and start loving yourself first and not look for someone else to make you happy..make your self happy, and please stop typing in red..it hurts my eyes.
SORRY RED IS HOW I FIND MY STUFF I KNW THAT STUFF IT DONT HELP....
 
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