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Dr. Phil checks back in with some of his most explosive guests from this season. Michelle's anger was so intense, her family lived in constant fear of her temper. She was screaming obscenities at her husband, Jamey, and yelling at her daughters until they were physically sick. Jamey said her anger was so bad, he frequently considered divorce. Was Michelle able to get her rage under control? Plus, Cathy and Micki were constantly feuding with their half-sister, Hollie, over painful memories of being molested by their stepfather, Hollie's dad. Hollie was stuck in the middle and wanted her sisters to forgive her father. Were they able to end the bitterness and start the healing process? Join the discussion.


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kikiemily
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December 8, 2005, 1:04 pm PST

Michelle

I guess I missed the first showing on this, but after watching and reading posts on this show today.  I have to say Michelle, regardless of what people say there are a lot of people with the rage just underneath like you have. I've suffered from this for years, my children as infants seemed to have a rage in them.  I do not act on it like I feel because I fear what PEOPLE will say or think about me and my family.  But yes, the uncontrollable rage, the attitude of wanting to knock someone's head off their shoulders is there.  I still have to watch myself and avoid situations where I know that I will be tempted to lose it.  I stay home and  try not to be around people, mainly because the family says that if I feel it or think it, It shows in my expressions.  I even get mad that I have a rage in me for no apparent reason.  

  

I want you to know that you and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers.  Best of luck to you and yours this holiday season  

   
 
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December 8, 2005, 1:09 pm PST

Hello! What about the little girl that the sister lets stay with the molster

I KNOW that Dr. Phil hasn't let this go unresolved but there was no mention about one sister's daughter who she had left with the molesting father.  The words "What if you are wrong" keep reverberating in my head.  It is so not worth ANYTHING to let the little girl stay with that man EVER.  I'm glad that the three sisters are working things out but my only concern is for that little girl never going back to that situation.  It is just setting her up for a life that the other two sisters have had to overcome.  Please tell me that the one sister came to her senses and will not continue to let that man babysit EVER!
 
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christo27
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December 8, 2005, 1:11 pm PST

To the horrible Mother

I cant beleive you dont even care about what the public thinks you are a horrilble woman and you have no right to say come to my face to be honest i would love to but i dont like the consequences of my actions if i do. You have no morality i am 16 and i have more morality then you. I have terrible anger problems punch holes in the wall all the time and i still would never get so angry that i would scare a child in to puking you are a horrible mother and should have your kids taken away from you. Finally tell your husband to be a man and step in!
 
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theresah
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December 8, 2005, 1:11 pm PST

Maybe you need help too

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My husband and I watched you on both shows and we both felt the same about each show. I think you are not being understood. We can see how your daughters manipulate the situation with their drama queen behavior. When they throw up or cry and curl up and act scared, it causes your husband to fight with you and gets the focus off of them and causes you and your husband to fight. Children learn at a very early age how to manipulate their parents and how to pit them against each other. The problem is that your husband is not supportive of you when you are disciplining the children.  Even if he disagrees with you, he should never let the children know. I do believe that you might sometimes be misdirecting your anger for your husband at your children and this is totally understandable under your circumstances. You are living with your mother and have no car. You are probably angry with your husband because you feel that he is not doing his job and providing for you and your family the way he should be. It is our opinion that most of your family problems are because of your husband and not you. He needs to step up and be a man and take care of his family, financially and emotionally. We also feel that we, as parents today are told not to spank or yell at our children and are made to feel as though something is wrong with us if we do. This is exactly what is wrong with the children of today and way they are having so many problems. The children are not learning self discipline and want everything handed to them. We also think that Dr. Phil sometimes makes more out of a situation (for the shows sake) than needs be. I thought you could use some words of support after reading all the negitive emails you have been getting.
I can't believe you actually believe this. I can't understand why a child would WANT to be screaming in hysterics on the floor with their parents screaming at them. When I cried it made my parents yell more, but it wasn't because I wanted attention - I wanted them to get away because I was scared sh*tless! How can you accuse a child of being a drama queen when their mother is standing over them screaming? Adults are much bigger than you and can be very scary when you're a child. I would have rather had them not talked to me at all then done that. Some kids might use dramatics to get their way but it does not mean ALL children do, or even most! You say it's understandable that Michelle is misdirecting her anger for her husband towards her children but I don't think it's acceptable at all, to be angry with others, no matter who it is, for something they didn't do. There's no excuse for it. And why would Dr. Phil waste his time and others' time to make a mountain out of a molehill? I'm sure he gets plenty of people who contact him with problems and would not spend his time talking to people just to 'make more out of a situation for the show's sake'.
 
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December 8, 2005, 1:12 pm PST

mom on the brink is more popular than thought

everyone on here seems to be a perfect mom cuz everyone is saying she is a bad mom but the truth is more people are this way than they would like to admit out of fear of losing their children and husbands..   She seems to me to need some help because the anger she has in her is the same as i have .. its not just the kids and boyfriend but i hate other people as well. anger builds and builds till you just cant hold it in anymore and the littlest thing will happen to make ya go off.. so what i think is to all the people who are being so mean dont judge her by hwo this looks because someday it could be you.  shes hurting inside i know how she feels ... its like the devil in inside you and you are not in control anymore......... 

best wishes to the women on dr phil i  know how you feel 
 
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December 8, 2005, 1:12 pm PST

I agree with you there...

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Todays show 

I was just wondering if this lady is having a hormone problem? Have you ever had it checked by for physician?  

Listen to this... 

I am 30 years old. Female, wife and mother of two. Boy, girl, 11 and 13. 

About two months ago I have become angry, rude, disrespecful and careless of feelings. I go into a rage of hate, anger and pain. I got so angry that our computer was running slow, I slammed the wireless optical mouse as hard as I could and shattered it. My husband and I were driving down the road and I got so mad I started kicking the dash, demanded that he stop the van, which he refused so I jumped out of the moving van. (I was ok). I went to my doctor for sinus problems and had blood work done. She told me I was peri-menapause. Yah! I said, Do you think my anger problems have a connection with that? Most certainly. I told her everything. I go into a rage where I could kill someone and not care at all. I have become a physical abuser. I have drawn my fist up to my husband which I love with all my life as well as my kids. They are my world. I told my doctor I feel out of body experiences when this happens and when I calm down I can not believe what happened and I am ashamed. She told me that alot of women go through this behavior with menapause. They all feel out of body experiences, and like they are in a constant "bitchy" mood like you get in right before you start your monthly. You ladies know what I mean. I feel like I am in this hormone problem all day long. My doctor perscribed me a hormone pill to help with my hormones and I have not had a "fit" yet.  I quit smoking Sept. 2, 2005 and thought all this time I was angry because I am no longer getting nicotine. I am glad that I found out that it was not me. I can not control this. I have no control. No matter how hard you try you will never be able to control a hormone problem. Find out if you need help. It may be as simple as my hormone problem. I am in a hurry to write this so sorry for any misspelled words. 

MistyMint 

I have posted on this on the second page... I too have hormone challenges.. high testoserone levels which increases aggressivness... I am now getting help for that when at first they did give me progesterone cream for peri menopausal symptoms its not that though with me... I just found this out after about a year of the cream... but the Cream did help for awhile... so that was good. 

  

  

I talked to hormone specialist and YOU ARE ABSOULUTELY CORRECT!!!  Homone and Chemical imbalances can make you do things you have NO CONTROL over!! 

  

If you have this problem NOTE you have the problem.. GET HELP... there is help and its NOT anyones fault... but the urgency to get help is needed. 

  

  

EVERYONE ELSE THAT IS AGAINST MICHELLE..... 

  

I think people who NEVER experienced this should not be so judgemental... YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!  NONE whatsoever!!!!  ITS much more difficult to just turn off like a switch or just to go into another room and calm down.. IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT>.... that is the way it works when you get it balanced out ... not when its all out of whack... and it gets all out of whack on its own... from being pregnant... from puberty... all sorts of changes in your life... I KNOW I AM THERE... do not judge what you dont know... TRUST Me we all know about our CHILDREN ARE GIFTS FROM GOD!!  Geeesh... its not as simple as you all think it is 
 
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December 8, 2005, 1:14 pm PST

Irony

I find it ironic that Michelle criticizes people who were properly appalled by her behavior towards her children by calling them (in her words) "chicken s***." There are few things lower than bullying and emotionally abusing your own children. Take a look in the mirror.  Oh, and I'd be happy to say this to your face. You don't deserve those girls.
 
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December 8, 2005, 1:16 pm PST

12/08 Extreme Follow-up

Quote From: kikiemily

I guess I missed the first showing on this, but after watching and reading posts on this show today.  I have to say Michelle, regardless of what people say there are a lot of people with the rage just underneath like you have. I've suffered from this for years, my children as infants seemed to have a rage in them.  I do not act on it like I feel because I fear what PEOPLE will say or think about me and my family.  But yes, the uncontrollable rage, the attitude of wanting to knock someone's head off their shoulders is there.  I still have to watch myself and avoid situations where I know that I will be tempted to lose it.  I stay home and  try not to be around people, mainly because the family says that if I feel it or think it, It shows in my expressions.  I even get mad that I have a rage in me for no apparent reason.  

  

I want you to know that you and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers.  Best of luck to you and yours this holiday season  

   

A lot of people get angry but the key is to be able to control yourself and not act on it. I know, I have the same problem, and I hear you completely. But I've learned it's much easier to control yourself and take the time to cool down and think things over then act on it (to any degree) because it takes way more time to clean up the mess after if you do. Especially if after you calm down you realize it was a petty little thing - and getting angry wouldn't have been worth it!  
 
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December 8, 2005, 1:18 pm PST

Michelle changed?

I really think she is trying, after watching today's show. But I also can see she has anger that needs to be dealt with. Is there not some family member the kids could stay with? A friend perhaps. These kids should not be in the home around Michelle if there is even a 1% chance she could harm them. And I do think, from hearing what Michelle says as well as watching her behavior, that she is capable of hurting these children.  She might consider getting help while the kids are "not" living in the home.
 
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December 8, 2005, 1:25 pm PST

family

F A M I L Y

I ran into a stranger as he passed by,
"Oh excuse me please" was my reply.


He said, "Please excuse me too;
I wasn't watching for you."


We were very polite, this stranger and I.
We went on our way and we said goodbye.


But at home a different story is told,
How we treat our loved ones, young and old.


Later that day, cooking the evening meal,
My son stood beside me very still.


When I turned, I nearly knocked him down.
"Move out of the way," I said with a frown.


He walked away, his little heart broken.
I didn't realize how harshly I'd spoken.


While I lay awake in bed,
God's still small voice came to me and said,


"While dealing with a stranger,
common courtesy you use,
but the family you love, you seem to abuse.


Go and look on the kitchen floor,
You'll find some flowers there by the door.


Those are the flowers he brought for you.
He picked them himself: pink, yellow and blue.


He stood very quietly not to spoil the surprise,
you never saw the tears that filled his little eyes."


By this time, I felt very small,
And now my tears began to fall.


I quietly went and knelt by his bed;
"Wake up, little one, wake up," I said.


"Are these the flowers you picked for me?"
He smiled, "I found 'em, out by the tree.


I picked 'em because they're pretty like you.
I knew you'd like 'em, especially the blue."


I said, "Son, I'm very sorry for the way I acted today;
I shouldn't have yelled at you that way."
He said, "Oh, Mom, that's okay.
I love you anyway."


I said, "Son, I love you too,
and I do like the flowers, especially the blue."


FAMILY
Are you aware that if we died tomorrow, the company
that we are working for could easily replace us in
a matter of days.
But the family we left behind will feel the loss
for the rest of their lives.


And come to think of it, we pour ourselves more
into work than into our own family,
an unwise investment indeed,
don't you think?
So what is behind the story?


Do you know what the word FAMILY means?
FAMILY = (F)ATHER (A)ND (M)OTHER (I) (L)OVE (Y)OU

 
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