Topic : 12/08 Extreme Follow-up

Wow!  You may be justified in a lot of what you say but what is the point of kicking someone while they are down??  It is just so mean to do that.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  Especially when someone comes out on TV and makes it very publicized.  But WOW!!  I don't know how else to say it,  but to say that you are unprovoked and never the less down right nasty.  And the way that you peck at this poor family who has enough to deal with without adding to it makes me feel compelled to sheild them from this relentless attack that you have bestowed upon them.  

I ask that  you  stop bulling them and let them try and heal.  

I am sure that I have now provoked some of your meaness on to myself but I prefer that you lash out at me instead of them. 

what exactly is sooo nasty?  The truth is "that poor family" is ruining their children.   It is not a "relentless attack"  just responses to THEIR posts.  They make numerous excuses why she cannot go to therapy no car, appts only 10 to 1 pm, I say get another therapist that is closer/better hours and they go ballistic!  GET REAL    Michelle says she is this way because of HER CHILDHOOD.  What exactly is she doing to her kids?  This "poor family"  has to live with her parents who abused her, I suggested that she get a job to have the $$$ to move, well, can't do that either.  No daycare, car, yada yada yada.  If they wanted to change things they would do anything, I repeat, anything YES EVEN RIDE A BIKE TO WORK to make it happen.  Why can't Michelle work in the evenings while her husband watches the children?   Again, excuses, excuses, excuses. 

I have not posted anything nasty (while you and they on the other hand HAVE).  You need to go back and reread ALL POSTS.  Especially from Michelle and Jamey.  I stated the facts that it is easier to do nothing and make excuses.  But nothing is going to change unless the do THE VERY HARD WORK INVOLVED.   Seems to me that they are very defensive for people who asked Dr Phil for help, then can't follow through with the treatment offered and instead give excuse after excuse all the while it is their kids, and any poor stranger that happens to be in the path of Michelle's rage who suffer.  

GIVE ME A BREAK and GROW UP.  THESE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ADULTS.  Who  is protecting their kids.  Seems to me they (and you) need a reality check. 

You do not know me nor do you have a clue as to all the hours I volunteer helping others, but they seem to want sympathy and a magic wand waived.  Life is not easy, believe me, I have suffered deaths of children, illness, job loss, etc. but the only people who can fix this mess is THEM and excuses won't do it.  They got themselves into this mess, ONLY they can get themselves out of it. 

 Boy, I will sleep better tonight knowing that you are protecting them - "makes me feel compelled to sheild them from this relentless attack that you have bestowed upon them."  I have not relentlessly attack them, but when she posts that she can't go to therapy because of no car, appts not convenient for her schedule (appts SHE DOES NOT EVEN HAVE TO PAY FOR)  I state the obvious - excuses, excuses, excuses.  If she wanted to change, she would find a way to get to those appts.  What about other moms at the school who, while picking up their own children, pick up hers and watch them for a few hours????  Is this SOOOO HARD????   NO  Meanwhile, who is protecting their children?  Not only from Michelle and Jamey BUT what about the so called abusive parents that made Michelle the way she is??????   Why on Earth would they live with abusive people who made Michelle the way she is???   I would live in a shelter before I exposed my children to that.  Explain that please.  

It's funny that they (and you) are so defensive when I am asking the hard questions.  SO much easier to get defensive than to stop and think, but that too is part of the rage problem.  It's called DEFLECTO, turn on the person asking the hard questions and attack them so the actual subject is avoided.  THE SUBJECT IS Michelle's rage and need for treatment and THE CHILDREN AND WHO IS PROTECTING THEM?????  Nothing will change unless therapy is involved.  Yes it is not easy to arrange but where there is a will there is a way.  

Since I now have absolutely no sympathy for anyone in this situation except their children, I will not post again on this subject.  Put your defensive rage aside, re-read the posts and look at who the real victims here are.  I rest my case.    

I have nearly the same anger issues that she does.  I have always been short tempered since I can remember.  I don't have a problem with physical violence but I do have a problem with verbal violence.  It doesn't matter what you think of me because I don't care (at least that is what I keep telling myself.). 

I have very little patience for others and it is usually very obvious  I scream at drivers that I feel don't know how to drive.  I can't stand when people in customer service jobs don't have the first idea how to do their job and I don't have a problem letting them know it.  I have asked some of them, on more than one occasion, "How stupid do you have to be to work here?".   

I can't stand co-workers who I feel are only there to collect a paycheck.  I know people are fallible but I probably hold people to a higher standard than I really should.  I can't stand it when my co-workers make stupid mistakes and I am not shy telling them, even when it isn't my place to.  I am hard on myself, too.  I don't like it when I make mistakes, even though I know it is normal.  I hold myself to an abnormally high standard when it comes to my job. 

I yell at my kids way too much.  I know I don't yell all the time but to them, it seems like it.  I don't yell at my wife too much because I don't really want to fight with her.  I find it almost impossible to carry on a regular conversation because I am not used to it.  Most of the time, I just don't want to be bothered by anyone else and I let them know.  I seem to consider whatever it is I am doing to be more than important than what they want me to do.  If somebody calls me, let me know whay you want now, now a few seconds from now.  I fell like that if you don't need me now, don't call me now. 

I am so angry that nobody wants to be around me.  I guess that is OK because I don't really want to be around others either.  I don't have any friends and haven't had any for several years.  I am pulling myself into my cocoon and trying to close it up.  Anger is the only feeling I have right now.  To me, it is like a cancer that keeps growing larger and larger.  I know it needs to be removed but the 'surgery' will hurt and I don't want to go through the pain. 

I fully understand the pain and the feelings she is going through right now.  I have been down the road she is travelling right now.  I hope she is able to become rehabilated and that the things she has done won't scar the kids for the rest of their lives. 

Gee!  You sure can tell how far you have come with that anger problem by your posts.  *raised eyebrow* 

You do not have a choice in who you see?  What is that?  Communist therapy sessions?  Of course you have a choice in who you see as well as if you see anybody at all.  Dr. Phil is not God on High and you can tell him you need a different therapist or no therapist at all.  That you and your husband say you have no choice in the matter is quite funny, imo.   It does sound like excuses just as it did sound like you were pushing the doc for a car on the show.   

Last time this show aired your husband logged on as an anonymous user posting all kinds of excuses.  Then you logged on bashing people left and right.  I was giggling when I heard you *itch about the posters on this site.  Im surprised the doc didnt pull up some of your previous posts and let everyone see those.  You were no better then anyone else with your messages and still here you are doing the exact same thing, defending and justifying on this new board.  Hows that for progress?   

The only reason you are seeing nicer messages this time around is because the doc showed the boards.  Anytime he does that people log on and say all sorts of different things then what you would normally see on these boards.  I have watched enough Dr. Phil and read the boards long enough to know that.  You should give him a big thank you for that one!   It would also be wise if you were able to find a way to read the boards without responding as you make yourself(so does your hubby)look quite foolish and if you havent changed at all.  Obviously, not the message you desire to send. 

I agree 100 %. They have live in treatment centers for drug and alcohol problem, there should be some thing for anger management.