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Topic : 12/08 Extreme Follow-up

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Created on : Friday, December 02, 2005, 03:49:46 pm
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Dr. Phil checks back in with some of his most explosive guests from this season. Michelle's anger was so intense, her family lived in constant fear of her temper. She was screaming obscenities at her husband, Jamey, and yelling at her daughters until they were physically sick. Jamey said her anger was so bad, he frequently considered divorce. Was Michelle able to get her rage under control? Plus, Cathy and Micki were constantly feuding with their half-sister, Hollie, over painful memories of being molested by their stepfather, Hollie's dad. Hollie was stuck in the middle and wanted her sisters to forgive her father. Were they able to end the bitterness and start the healing process? Join the discussion.


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December 18, 2005, 6:44 am PST

something to be proud of

My hat goes off to anyone with the courage to air their problems and extreme mistakes on national TV.  Don't we all make mistakes and have things in our lives that we are not proud of.  Some of you people who post to these message boards are so judge mental and cruel.  Could you find it in your heart to recognize that the people who go on the show realize they are making mistakes and are brave enough to reach out for help and at the same time help the viewers at home who are not so brave or maybe don't even realize that what they are doing is wrong.
 
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December 22, 2005, 3:36 am PST

Enough Pity...

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My hat goes off to anyone with the courage to air their problems and extreme mistakes on national TV.  Don't we all make mistakes and have things in our lives that we are not proud of.  Some of you people who post to these message boards are so judge mental and cruel.  Could you find it in your heart to recognize that the people who go on the show realize they are making mistakes and are brave enough to reach out for help and at the same time help the viewers at home who are not so brave or maybe don't even realize that what they are doing is wrong.

Thanks to Dr Phil for bringing awareness to those people that hold convictions to problems like these. And I do believe that it IS hard to sit and talk about your life infront of millions of viewers and not many would have the same courage to do so, but what gets me is that these guests should be aware that they will receive negative feedback because this is a case where it is not acceptable and they need to know that. Now I am kinda concerned about why Michelle ever went on the show to begin with, because it doesn't seem like she is really complying with Dr Phil's advice and counseling. Was she just out there to see if she could get a hand out?? A car, perhaps maybe a new house or something?? What a sob story about having to live with her parents and borrow their vehicle. I dont believe that it should be Dr Phil's job to go ahead and hand out  what they want on a silver platter. Lets see some improvement first! I just dont believe that they are deserving of it right now.  

 
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December 22, 2005, 4:42 pm PST

Thank you all for your Support,your humour

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Hey! Im just a teenager but i might know some stuff... u never know lol. I read your post and i think you are such a brave person! It must have been hard for you to forgive and foget about the tuff stuff you hav been through.  

  

I just want to let you know that everyone(at least a lot of people) has a dream or fantasy of who they truly want to be. Some want to be sophisticated, some wants to be at peace with themselves and everyone (which you probably want) Ya and i think we tend to focus too much on the outcome that we start get separated from where you actually are. The road of life isn't about the "outcome", which we say is the true, peaceful feeling and complete joy.  

  

But have you thought about the process. The road to getting there is actually the "fun" or "thrilling" part of the roller coaster. Its not fun to acheive something great if you didn't have fun along the way. okay i know you might be thinking- not everything in life is as fun as you think.  

  

But hear this, "fun" is lauughter, "fun" is pain", "fun" is fear and "fun" is everything about being alive. Also people are not animals who follow intincts- they have choices and they are stronger spiritually in every way.  As long as people are alive, they will have obstacles in their lives and most of all- fear. Dealing with it is the bravest.  

  

Forgiving is an amazing and graceful thing to do. It makes you feel loved becasue you feel big and smart afterwards. Besides, Dr. Phil says so! 

  

There is always proofs in our lives that show how strong people are. Not only humans have highest IQ, We also have choices, and that ditinguishes us from animals which follow their instincts.  

  

We're way better than killing and bearing grudges... I know that you hurt a lot but truly u wanna feel better becasue everybody does, no matter how bad they are (murderers, rapers, etc.) no matter how much they deny their conscience they still feel bad and want to feel better.  

  

We heal and we grow, if we want to. - that is, by living in the moment. So get off atuo-pilot and be there before it falshes by you, and be there when you find peacefullness!!!!!(lol I hope its right now!) 

  

Jenny 

  

ps. Your poem is so simple but its so heartwarming. People needs ot see that the simplest things can be uplifting if they just "stop thinking" if you know what i mean. 

Your shareing of your self with me,Thanks a bunch,I will keep this with me for a long time,new friends are good for us all,an I do know how to stay in the stream of life,I guess this show caught me a bit off gurad,an like anyone who is caught unaware we have a tendancey to fight or flee,I chose as I alwasy do to stay an fight,so i left soem of me here,an I will be o.k. I want you all to HAVE A VERY MERRY HAPPY CHRISTMAS! "Surrounded with those who love you,with all your favorite goodies an presents too,Merry Christmas,an a HAppy new year too! Thanks again for your support,Good day
 
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December 23, 2005, 10:45 pm PST

Stay on the journey, Michelle!

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Michelle, 

  

You were brave enough to go on Dr. Phil, tell your story, and get help. When I watch Dr. Phil, I can relate to many things he says, but THIS ONE WAS DEAD ON!!! I feel like you do a lot. I hate yelling all the time. I even get sick of hearing my own voice. But when he asked you what you are angry about, I lost it. That is it. I am so angry at everything in my life that I scream non stop. And when you said you still feel like that inside, I can relate to that too. Because, it seems the more you suppress it the more you feel like you are going to explode. The people that criticize you on these things are not in your shoes, so you can't let that bother you. I would like to get help, but I am not sure where to go. I just wanted to let you know that there are people who feel like you and you are not alone. It's not that you want to be angry, scream and yell at your kids, you just couldn't help it. 

Good luck and I'm praying for you. 

  

Michelle - I've been there - the screaming on the outside and the angry in the inside, so horribly anxious. I wondered if anyone would be able to love me, because I was so stressed, anxious and angry. I got involved with a great doctor and with the right mix of counseling and medical support am doing very, very well. That first year when I was working head on with the counselor and trying to mend fences was very hard. 

  

I admire the work you are doing and your desire to get better. Your husband came across like he is a real jewel. It took a long time for me to mend fences with my child and rebuild her trust. My bark was so vicious that she had become very afraid of me. This hurt truly and deeply. Owning up to it made it easier to accept the process. 

  

Stick with it. You are not alone. You are worthy. 

 
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December 26, 2005, 2:09 pm PST

I agree

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  I believe this woman is a control-freak.  Her husband who does nothing,probably out of fear, is actually demonstrating how women feel battered.  His job, no matter how scared, is to get the children and himself out of the house and out of her life.  If she still doesnt get the hint and work on herself, then at least  he and the kids will have moved forward towards a more peaceful surrounding.  Jamie needs to be pro active now.

He did look like he had no clue how to handle his wife (would any non-professional? )  Also, if he had tried any type of intervention "at the moment" the situation would only ESCALATE.  He learn to fade into the background during an episode so as not to lengthen or worsen the tantrum.   But, when she is not in a rage he needs to ACT, not feel relieved or hopefull.  Stress (and families are stress to moms) makes recovery harder, so my thinking is separation will protect the kids and help Michelle too. 

  

 
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December 29, 2005, 5:52 pm PST

12/08 Extreme Follow-up

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At first I was angry when I saw the first show because Michelle reminded me so much of my mother when I was a child.  My mother was a very angry, volatile and hostile person and I was her target.  As a child, it made me very sick mentally and emotionally and I have been in therapy all of my life.. My mother finally did get help but not until I was an adult.  At one time I got a restraining order against my mother when I was an adult so she couldn't victimize me anymore.  After that seperation, my mother realized that I was important to her and we have begun the healing process.  I now understand why she did the things to me that she did.  She had grown up in a dysfunctional family as her mother was an alcoholic.  Then she married an abusive husband.  She probably felt alot of anger because she had no control over certain things and I was her scapegoat.  I thought she would never change or admit her wrongdoings, which she is beginning to do now and I am 35.   

At least Michelle is on the right track by getting help.  Maybe these girls will have a chance.  I always loved my mother and as a child I just wanted my mother to be happy.  I also wanted her to acknowledge that what she did was wrong, but that took several years because of her pride.  Because all I wanted was validation it has made it easier to forgive my mother and understand where she was coming from.  As a child, I just thought it was me who angered her and that I was no good and the cause of her anger and unhappiness.  This is not a healthy way for a child to grow up . I think things can turn out much better for Michelle and her children.  It's never too late.   

I agree it is never too late.  Things can always turn around. 
 
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December 30, 2005, 10:23 pm PST

If Children could tell you...

  

Dear Michelle;  

I hope I can get you to understand what your children are living. I had two parents just like you. I have no warm fuzzy memories of my childhood. I remember a lot of fear. I remember a lot of rejection. I remember feeling like a huge dissapointment to my parents. I grew into an adult who was fearful, timid, and unsocialized. My self-esteem was zero. I was convinced that I would never amount to anything. I wondered why God had even bothered to put me on this Earth. I allowed everybody to step on me like a worn-out doormat. It took me until I was 30 years old to realize I was worthy of even being alive.  

Michelle, children believe what we say to them and about them. Right now, your children are being convinced they they are horrible useless failures. Please find a way to stop what you are doing. I had to totally cut off a relationship with my parents in order to find value in myself. You don't want your precious kids to do that.  

 
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December 31, 2005, 3:00 pm PST

12/08 Extreme Follow-up

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I'm going to give her a small amount of credit for trying to change.But she makes me want to puke myself.Her comment about the messages on here and people not saying it to her face goes to show just how childish she is.I personally would LOVE the chance to tell her to her face that she needs to have her kids takin away. 

 

I mean honestly, kids equal stress.I had my daughter when I was 15.She's 8 now,and yes I get upset with her at times.But ALL kids act up.Her children were doing NOTHING to deserve what she did.I would NEVER do that to my child. 

 

If she continues on this path I fear that her children will grow up to be just like her.She is starting a domino effect with them and it will only get worse unless she is stopped now. 

 

Michelle I pray that you get serious help and straighten up now before it's too late.And Jamey, you cannot let her continue this way. 

 Exactly!! Her saying that about the message boards and how we should tell her to her face, if I knew you I would! I can't stand people like that. And I've known some and its wrong in every way. There are no excuses here. She may have something wrong with her but come on, and her husband not standing up for the kids? He really should have stood in and pushed her away from the kid so the kid would not be affected in such a bad way. Are they going to get the kid counseling? I hope so. Such a sweet girl being treated like that. she has been abused and may need to work through those issues.
 
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February 6, 2006, 3:11 pm PST

Stress

 I believe too many people choose to judge.  There might be a reason why she explodes.  I went through an exploding period in my life.  It was due to me being low in Vitamin B, so B complex helped me with that.  Also my female hormones being out of whack.  There is usually physiological reasons why people have disruptive behavior.  I don't like to call them mental, but more related to how ones body is in tune.  That includes minerals, hormones, vitamins etc.  People do make excuses, but she is trying.  There are so many who choose not to.  The thing is if they don't try to improve, they are messing with their relationship with their children.  That is the sad thing.
 
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May 22, 2006, 8:47 pm PDT

Please try to understand

I just saw the episode this board is about and I thought I'd try to stand up for Michelle at least a little bit. While I'm only 19 I can understand exactly what she's going through with her rage issues as I too was once filled with the same volatile emotions. The main difference between us is not our ages but that I was treated at a much earlier age than Michelle.

The core of my rage was the death of my father when I was only 6 years old. After his death I locked my rage and grief inside and never mentioned my father again. The next four years were probably some of the scariest years of my mother's life. Juvenile depression is actually very difficult to diagnose and can present as all manner of things, from acting out to self harm to mindless rage. Mine was rage, I threw tantrums, threatened to kill myself and my mother, even tried. If I had had ready access to a gun I am sure I would have gone to school and shot the children in my class. My rage controlled me.

That was until a teacher recommended I and my mother go to family counselling at a mental health centre. It took two years of intensive counselling for my emotional state to improve. Michelle is doing the right thing by getting treatment but what you people have to realise is that it takes time. She loves her children but she cannot change overnight and by taking them away her already fragile emotional state would collapse.

It is likely that, in time, her issues will be dealt with. She may need medication to keep her emotions in check, I do, but she will learn coping strategies. She also needs to learn the root of her anger and where it stems from.

She is going through an incredibly painful journey and the way the people on these message boards react is not helping her any. Sometimes we need to try to understand, even if we find it nigh on impossible.
 
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