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(Original Air Date: 12/12/05) You may have heard, "If something is too good to be true, it probably is." Dr. Phil's guests learned this lesson the hard way. Sandra thought she was marrying a bachelor with whom she would spend the rest of her life. What she didn't know was that she was being conned, and that when she tied the knot, she would be wife number seven! See what happens when Sandra and wife number six get together. Why is Dr. Phil concerned with the way they are coping with their pain? Then, when Coni met Paul, he claimed he owned a business, had a Ph.D. and was an Air Force Major. But the life he detailed was all a big lie. Now that Coni has put her husband behind bars, she fears he's plotting revenge. What does Dr. Phil think? Plus, a former FBI profiler shares the signs to look for so you don't become a con man's next target. Talk about the show here.


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December 14, 2005, 6:34 pm PST

12/12 Conned by a Con Artist

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Well, I thought by age 42 I would have been able to "spot" a con or something that really was to good to be true.....WRONG!  I was healing from a divorce and very involved with my church at the time when Dave came into our lives.  He started coming to the same church with his 2 small children in December 1999.  He talked all the right things and after 5 months I agreed to "date" him.  I have a special needs son at home who was 7 at the time and was very protective of him since we had been mentally, emotionally and physically abused by his father for to long.  Dave treated my son very good, seemed patient with him and acted like he cared.  I say acted because now I can see it was an act.  Dave was going through a bad divorce and of course he told me "HIS" side of it which made him out to be wonderful and the ex an evil person.  He continued to put on his show of loving and caring for me and my son for another year so when he proposed I knew I loved him and thought the feelings were mutual.   

  

He was self-employed as a construction contractor (not licensed to my surprise because he said he was!) and money was never an issue until later in the marriage.  I worked for the school system so did not depend on him for financial reasons.  There were more than a few run ins with his ex and children including my tires being slashed, a vehicle being stolen from my driveway and him ending up in jail and more.  But once again I believed Dave when he (always) explained everything logically away.  See, he was 5 years older than me, had grown children with his first wife and this new ex was only 25, half Dave's age.  What a mess, but at the time Dave kept me in the dark so to speak about most of his life, he only told me what he felt I needed to know. 

I thought he was a good person because I met him in church and he was so good about (pretending) to walk the walk and talk the talk. 

We got married in November 2001 then decided to move somewhere we could purchase land reasonable.  He asked me where I would go comfortably in distance away from my (elderly) parents.  My response was anywhere BUT Missouri.....guess where he found land, yep in Missouri.  He bought it, paid cash, without consulting me, but because I wanted our life to work out together ( I am the type of person who always tries to fix everything and everybody so all are happy)  I moved and did end up loving our life there with our animals and blended family.  We weren't there to long before the control started with the money, vehicles and my son.  After only 3 months there my Mother past away and Dave "allowed" me to drive to Florida to be with my Dad.  Once back in Missouri, the issues became worse.  Dave would leave for weeks at a time leaving my son and I alone in the middle of nowhere, knowing no one and no money.  He would claim this was for work.  Well finally in January of 2004 it all fell apart with him hitting my son and me defending my son.  I told him to leave until things cooled down and he did.  My older son (24 yrs old) was at the house at the time, Dave sucker punched him on the way out of the house.  Dave also took my vehicle and all the keys to the other 3 so we couldn't go to town if needed.  I did call the sheriff and filed a report of abuse on my youngest son.  Dave was picked up, put in jail for a whole 4 hours.  Once released, Daved cleaned out all of our bank account which left me with nothing to provide the basic needs for my son and myself.  Once this happened I started doing my own investagation into Dave and his background and found he had at least 5 warrants from 2 different states for domestic violence, pulling a firearm on a police officer in a mall, failure to pay child support for 2 ex wives, no drivers license because it was revoked for child support.  He had a fake one with a fake address in Michigan.  Anyway, his arrest record goes back to 1975 and continues to 2004, and I am sure more since.  He hasn't  paid taxes since 1975 so that is why he always gets paid in cash and doesn't hold a bank account in his name.  Our account was in my name with him as someone who could withdraw and deposit but no name on our checks or paperwork.....therefore it couldn't be linked to him.  He gave me a reason why it needed to be like this at the time but I don't remember what it was.....there were so many lies that I now know of and wish I knew then.  In the end, I lost our home, my vehicle, animals and my self-esteem.  I don't trust anyone, especially a man and don't let my son get involved with anyone as well.  My son and I had to move, with no money or vehicle and my credit is so bad because of this I won't be able to get one.  I had to borrow money from family to get situated and move and now because of this I have an attorney bill of almost $30,000 which I try not to think about.  I will never recoup financially, (it has been almost 2 years now) or what we lost but would be nice to have a vehicle so we wouldn't have to do so much walking or borrow vehicles to get to my son's many doctor appt.  At least we have each other. 

My son and I are trying to get back on track but I am having a difficult time trying to believe that I was conned, even though I know I was.  I always thought I was a good judge of character and since I met Dave in church I thought he had to be good.  Boy was I wrong! 

  

So....this is for everyone out there, be careful and don't get in this situation.  It is hard to have a life after something like this and to trust again.  There are times when I would like to share my life with someone and then this all comes back to me and I tell myself NO.   

It would be nice to have a hug now and then though! 

  

Please don't give in to the normal thoughts of a victim. 

  

I have been where you are and you do come back - even your credit even if it takes a while things change.   I know this may be difficult to hear, but damage can be repaired - even your spirit, bank account, credit, psychological state, etc. 

  

Life. 

  

There is nothing like it for it always gives possibilities.   Just remember that the future of the future is the present. 

  

Take care. 

 
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December 14, 2005, 7:19 pm PST

Almost

Earlier this year I encountered a very slick indiviual.  He worked his way into my home for "just the weekend" for $150.  From there he went on to persuade a friend of my daughter he had a job for him making hundreds of dollars a week.  The kid quit his job.  Soon we were all being promised all kinds of goodys including money.  And lots of money.  Soon deadlines came with nothing and suspiciouses grew.  Within hours his lies started unraveling and he was tossed on his ear.  Thankfully I was only ALMOST taken by him.
 
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December 14, 2005, 7:48 pm PST

having dealt with con artist

  For all you ladies who dealt with the Paul guy.  you will be happy to hear (if you haven't already) I think he was the one that got cought in North Carolina.
 
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December 17, 2005, 6:09 am PST

Ed Hicks Arrested After Viewer Sees Dr. Phil

Ed Hicks, the con artist first profiled on the show was arrested after a North Carolina woman viewing the show recognized him as the man dating her sister. The woman and her sister appeared on Good Morning America on Thursday. Read the latest at:

http://fightbigamy.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/12/ed_hicks_latest.html

The woman says she is still in love with Ed Hicks................
 

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December 19, 2005, 6:59 am PST

12/12 Conned by a Con Artist

Quote From: taomeditat

I'm estatic that this topic was presented on TV. As more and more women become successful in their careers and either divorce or chose to be single we are truly prey to these con artists.  

I met mine on a reputable website for singles (American Singles). We talked for several months, met, fell in love, and proceeded from there. All was very rushed which should have been my first warning. 

  

There were many stories about being in special forces in Vietnam, previously working for the CIA, his ability to be called into Iraq at any time, owning his own business, being divorced twice, and that his second wife was a drug addict. I don't think  this was true fact . His stories began changing over time and never fully made sense. I did meet his children and they both said their father was a liar and needed psychological help. This was another red flag. 

  

His home was a disaster. It had been his parents and he lived there after their death due to losing his job. He did odd and end jobs until he took the position in an computer company. As the relationship progressed he became more controlling, alienated me from friends and family, depression set in and he no longer bathed or changed his clothing. That was when another red flag went up!  

  

I did begin to clean his house so I could discover who he truly was. I found old pictures of his family. The man had gained 100 lbs since his divorce five years previously. He lived in a mansion and was now was living in a house requiring a great deal of work. I was concerned about depression and borderline personality disorder/narcisstic behaviors/grandiosity/sociopathy. 

  

His anger progressed, his outbursts progressed, and when I discovered an AKC automatic rifle in his home it was time to move on. 

  

I went on the internet to begin searching on this man. I did discover he was married prior to his stated first marriage and was dating his children's mother before he even divorced. He married her shortly after the first divorce. I never found documentation of a marriage to the wife with the drug problem but did find trespassing charges against him at that time. He was in no military database and the CIA database cannot be accessed by the public. 

  

He moved another woman into his home a month after I broke it off and lost his job. I did return a necklace he had reluctantly had given me on Valentine's Day with a letter stating my feelings and my thoughts that he needed intense psychological help. 

  

My statement to all women is we get lonely but don't settle for just anyone. When it all makes no sense it's time to move on. Disclose little about what you have, what you want, and always show your confidence and not your needy side. These men buy into the lonliness and neediness. Thank God this man was unable to access my finances since I made very few comments about what I had. 

  

My question is this. Is there a database for these situations where we can post names and addresses of these individuals to warn others? We must all look out for each other and this is one way to do it! 

  

Another question-how do you begin to trust again and date? I have joined a reputable dating service with little interest in these men. Perhaps it's the aftermath of this or the fact that I am so cautious I refuse to let anyone know who I truly am. What are your thoughts? 

  

Thanks for your time, 

Taomeditat 

Texas 

"Disclose little about what you have, what you want, and always show your confidence and not your needy side. These men buy into the lonliness and neediness. " 

  

THis is very good advice.  I learned from my experience that I need to do more listening than talking. Let them be the open book first. Looking back, I can actually pin point the moment he became interested in me......when I mentioned that I had kids.single mom.  They truly prey on vulnerable women.  I'm still a single mom but far less trusting and naive....I guess I can thank him for that....... 

 

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December 19, 2005, 8:35 am PST

Watch out for this guy! Kansas/Missouri

Eric L Foster 10/25/74, currently 31 years old.  Residing in KC area. 

I met him two years ago.  I had been in an unhappy relationship for eight years.  My divorce was final the week before I met him.  He swept me off my feet.  He made me feel like the only woman in the world.  Things progressed way too fast, I watched his clothes and toiletries appear in my house and when I finally said something, his response was "you said you never wanted to be without me".  I was so naive...I just LET everything happen.  He was living with me-no discussion.  I paid the bills, I never let him pay my way because I felt this was my way of protecting myself-no one else can take credit for me, HA!  The first lie I discovered was three months into the relationship.  We went to his company party where he told me he had been employed for 11 years.  That night he won an award for "Rookie of the Year".  I sat there in my chair, not knowing what the heck to think.  When I confronted him about it in the truck afterward, his explanation was, "I said I was in the union for 11 years".  I knew what I had heard.  This is what they do...make you doubt yourself.  At that point in my life I didnt consider that to be an awful lie.  Now I know better, but then, in my mind I thought he just wanted to impress me...or he was ashamed of his past, because he didn't have a good childhood.  I rationalized the lies....yes, I also found out he lied about his family...where his mom lived (she was supposedly married to a lawyer in Hawaii), where his sister lived (supposedly in Washington), His mom and sister both live in the KC area.  He seems to hate both of them.  He said his ex wife had a drug problem when they were married, I doubt that too.   

  

Eighteen months into the relationship, I couldn't take it anymore.  I told him so.  I started to look for my own place again.  We were living together, separately.  I came home from work one day...everything that we had bought together, and whatever else he felt like taking was gone.  Very expensive furniture, my wedding ring from my ex-husband.  This was in March 2005.  It hasn't been that long.  Since then he has stalked me, stolen from me, used spare keys to get into my car.  I bought my own house in June.  He has been in my house. I cant say he broke in because somehow he got in without "breaking" in.  There are things missing that were here when I moved in.  I received hundreds of text messages from him before I changed my phone number...in one month!  I received a pornographic picture of himself to my email before I had him blocked.  He called my family and friends, drove by their houses.  I have cameras on my house now.  I am constantly looking over my shoulder.  The restraining order...what a big joke.  Eric is so manipulative and convincing...he even had the detective conned.  There is a new detective on the case now...after I called the prosecutor myself.  She is working on getting him charged with a felony, combining his multiple restraining order violations with the camera footage I have of him stealing from my front porch.  It is December now though, after so many months,  and as much as he has been able to get away with so far, I am very nervous that he will find a way to get out of this too.  It makes me sick to my stomach. 

 

 

Since breaking up with him, I have found out that only days before meeting me, he was released from jail for violating a restraining order against an ex girlfriend-who I didn't know existed.  He has charges in Kansas with Unlawful entry, false impersonation, credit card theft. 

 

Eric is a very good looking charming man. The things I ignored that I know now were HUGE red flags are:   

 

He moved too fast- Ex: talked about marriage from week one. 

Didn't respect my boundaries 

Lied 

Made me doubt myself (with his lies-used my insecurities against me) 

He was very secretive 

He had nothing but his clothes and a TV and his truck (when I met him) 

He was very jealous 

He didn't have close relationships or friends (when I met him) 

His relationship with his son was strange (his son is a very nervous kid) 

He lied about money he had (inheritances, stocks, savings accounts) 

 

There really were so many things that I ignored, I was so naive. 

 

 

Recently I have found out through public records that he is being evicted from the house we rented (I was able to get my name off the lease-thank goodness).  His phone number is disconnected (per the new detective).  He is no doubt , onto his next con.   

 

 

I'd like to believe that what goes around comes around but these people are different and who knows what actually hurts them.  I sometimes hope that he gets help..gets better.  The really awful thing about falling prey to a con is that you really do love these people.  I have been in counseling throughout this experience.  My counselor said that over time I will "reconcile my feelings"-the good and the bad feelings about him.  No one understands when you say, "everything was perfect except for the lies."  That is because it doesn't make sense, but there are moments when you so badly want to forget the bad because the good was so good.  I think this is a normal emotion under the circumstances.  Just allow yourself to feel without reacting.  These guys will never change.  Do NOT give them another chance.  It will be worse the next time around.   The saying is SO TRUE, If it seems to good to be true, it probably is. 

 

 

I hope the ladies on the show affected by that man find a way to heal and excel in their lives.  It would be a shame to let these bad men take us down even further. 

  

 

 
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December 19, 2005, 6:52 pm PST

I was a victim, too

Two years ago I was the victim of a "user" but, in reality, I wasn't the only one.  He was dating at least 5 women at the same time.  When it all came to a head, he ended up playing the victim and we were the scorned women.  Even after two years, it is still very hard to let it go.  I will always have some sort of deep seeded resentment and would still love to see some sort of revenge.  I know that it's wrong but I really won't be happy until that day comes.  I need closure and haven't been able to achieve it.  What can I do?
 
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December 21, 2005, 4:50 pm PST

Hmmmm

Quote From: donnalayne

I did not seek out my Don Juan of Con he sought me out, he pretended to be the POW on my POW bracelet.  I did not look for someone to complete me, or love me, in fact I wasn't looking for love. I just wanted a friend. Nothing more.  I had been in an abusive relationship, and was not looking for love. He didn't hook me on money, or anything, he did say he had an education, and was a Doctor.  I believed him, after all the man was very intelligent, knew how to talk about art, the philosophy of Socrates, the poetry of Shakespeare, and he was not the ordinary run of the mill man on the take.  I told myself, that I wanted an intelligent man that was not intimidated by the fact that I had a degree. He wasn't intimidated by me, and he was 'in a wheelchair'.  I did not need a man to complete me. I was complete as I was. I had a job, and raised my sons, and was getting a Master's.  I did not need a man in my life. He was my friend and became something more. Was I wrong to trust? Perhaps. Just because some of us had low self-esteem doesn't mean that we are putting ourselves out there to be victimized!  I refused to be victimized by everyone else that had not walked in our shoes. We are gaining our self respect back by fighting back, and I applaud these ladies for going on the television and telling so many their stories at the risk of ridicule.   We treat others with love and trust and we got stomped all over on. I will never fully trust Yahoo.com or Match.com because my Don Juan of Con found plenty of victims on those sites. He had a list of 20 victims before he went to the woman that followed me. We are not conned because we are needy, plain and simple, we were conned because we were naive enough to believe and love someone. 

  

Honey, the mere fact that you had to repeat the same general information numerous times in one response tells me that you attracted this man to you, some way - some how.  I'm glad you got away from him and the ONLY thing he took was money - and possibly some of your self-respect.  You have the ability to get those things back.  Good luck to you!!
 
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December 22, 2005, 8:15 pm PST

Who should I notify about fraud?

FTC toll free hotline: 877-FTC-HELP (877-382-4357)
FTC online complaint form (www.ftc.gov)
Canadian PhoneBusters hotline: 888-495-8501
Internet Fraud Complaint Center ( http://www.ifccfbi.gov )
 http://www.consumer.gov/sentinel  

  

http://www.ripoffreport.com - consumer advocacy site where consumers who have been wronged can share their experience. Rip-off Report™ is a worldwide consumer reporting Website & Publication, by consumers, for consumers, to file & document complaints about companies or individuals who ripoff consumers. 

  

  

  

 
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December 23, 2005, 10:16 am PST

who can help please

I'm married to a real con artist who preys on women who make a decent living.  he goes from woman to woman, uses them, then goes to the next.  he's a drug addict, sex addict and gambling addict.  he needs to be stopped and I need help to stop him so that he destroys no more.   what do I need to do.  who can I go to.  who can help.  I am seeking divorce and he is seeking to destroy me even more than he has.  help please
 
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