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Do you believe that walking under a ladder or someone giving you the "evil eye" can give you bad luck? Dr. Phil's guests say that curses and evil spirits are wreaking havoc in their lives. Sarah is convinced that she's hexed. For the last five years, she has been plagued with what she calls the "Tuesday Curse." Watch what happens when Dr. Phil's producers follow her around on her "unlucky" day. Then, George is convinced he is reaping the negative effects of a curse put on his family years ago in Mexico. He has even put his wedding plans on hold because he fears the curse will cause him to divorce! Plus, David worries that his wife, Holly, may be possessed because she has had the same nightmare for the past seven years, and she has been talking in a man’s voice, speaking in a foreign tongue and barking like a dog. What's behind her fearsome dreams? And, a woman claims an exorcism, performed by her father 26 years ago, put demons inside of her.  Share your thoughts.

 

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January 7, 2006, 1:22 am PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: linda254

I wrote in a previous message that I got help from a psychic, let me mention briefly that I had to do things that I thought were primitive.  Being educated, I was shocked at what I was told to do, but I followed the instructions and the entire process took approximately 3 months. 

I asked my psychic if she could help me when I heard for the second time that someone had put a curse on me. Briefly, she said she could but I had to do things and, of course, money was involved.  My thoughts were when one is dealing with primitive people, one has to do primitive things.  So, I did them.  Some frightening things happened to me, I even ended up in the hospital, having been mugged.  The mugging only intensified my belief that I needed to get help and that I had to follow her instructions to a "T." 

A miracle happened in the midst of all of these things that frightened me to death.  I thought I was having a heart attack I was so frightened, but I learned as I was told that evil couldn't hurt me anymore.  Finally, I reread the New Testament from beginning to end and a moment came when I heard in the gospel of John, Jesus speak to me from the page.  He said, "Up to this point, you have been asking God for things, now ask God in my name."   Again, I was frightened to death, but after that moment things became normal again. 

Another person who I know was introduced to a support group of other women who have had curses put on them by there mothers-in-law.  There were 6 women altogether.   We all had to do similar things. 

If anyone wants supports for his or her fears, I suggest you find a good psychic, reader, who believes in God. 

Stay away from psychics. That is and open door to allowing a curse to have an effect. The Gospel of John tells of being born-again. Ask Jesus to come into your heart and for God to forgive your sins. Tell Him you'll live for Him and ask Him to wash you in His blood that washes sins away. Then ask Him to fill you with His Spirit. God says clearly in His word not to go to psychics. God has given believers Prophets to speak into our lives and speak the oracles of God, not what we want or the world wants but what God is saying to us.Their are many of us doing just that and we always point the way to the Lord. Also if you are being disturbed by curses or demons, go to someone that will do deliverence on you. I have done so for many, many people and have prophesied as well. The devil can't create anything, only copy, so psychics are the counterfit and do you realize that when you go against God's will, that you actually open the door for a curse to come on you. Once your born-again and you are set free, then you close those doors and never ever open them again. 

  

A good psychic who believes in God is deceiving. We must be born-again, operating in the gift of prophesy, and then speak what God says for the individual and nothing else. Ask God to confirm what I'm saying. Ask Him if you need to be born-again and be ready for God to show you. Also study the word. Pychics are spoken negativly in the old and new Testiment. I pray you receive Jesus into your heart and receive His Love and Peace!! My God is an AWSOME GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! He Loves you and He died on the cross and took all those stripes, wounds, and bruses Just for you and to see the captive set free. He also said "my people ( born-again Christians) perish for lack of knowledge! Be careful when someone says they love god. There are many gods but only one True God! The bible says to test the spirit. Do they confess Jesus is the son of God who came in the flesh? And do they prophess Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior who lives on the inside of them residing in their heart? Do they know Him and His voice? The bible says "My sheep know My voice! Don't you really want to know Him? Don't you really want to spend eternal life in Heaven with Jesus. Experiencing total Love, and Joy unspeakable and full of Glory! I do, and look forward to Heaven!!!  

May you know the Love and Peace of The Prince of Peace--Jesus! Blessings Linda 

 
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January 7, 2006, 1:53 am PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: liatsunami

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Ugh, if I see ONE more post about religion I'm going to scream.  How is that actually helping anyone with their problem?!  I'm so sick of people saying "If you have a problem you should pray about it."  If praying makes someone FEEL better than sure, go ahead, but don't EXPECT miracles in life, you'll just be disappointed.

We need to bring this topic back to the matter at hand.  What can WE do to help these people?   How can our experiences help others.   This doesn't mean evangelizing or preadching about why prayer does or doesn't work.

If prayer worked for you, then great that's all you need to say about. If it didn't, then that's all you need to say about it.   We don't need the bible quotes and all that so some people can "prove they are right".  How about sending links to support groups, Dr.s , therapists, to these people so they can get some help?
What are you talking about! Miracles happen every day. Be real! I have had many. How do you explain a friend of mine who died and was in the morgue with a toe tag and in a body bag. when she died she went to hell and saw horrible things and she cried out to Jesus and said help me, get me out of here. I know I deserve to be here but I'm sorry. Help me. Then she was taken to heaven and shown many wonderful things and God told her to go back  and to tell others what she saw and what happened to her. She is now totally restored and runs seven miles a day. Oh by the way she was legally blind and has 20/20.. People are prayed for and healed of terminal cancer, aids etc. I know a women who had a bad heart and an EKG, which is like a blue print or finger print and never changes now shows a brand new heart, she was blind and now see perfectly, and this is documented. Also her leg was aputated just below the knee, and her prothesis started to really bother her so she went back to the guy who made it for her, and he looked at it and exrayed her leg and she is growing bone, ligament and tissue back. Her leg is slowly growing back and every time we see her it is longer. The last time I saw her, her leg was grown down to just above the ankle. This is documented and proven. And my friend who died has her death certificate with her at all times as the Lord told her to carry it and tell others about what happened and about heaven and hell which are real. God says in His Word " I put before life and death, bleasings and curses, choose life" As for links there are so many. I have prayed for so many people whose lives have dramatlcally changed for the better, have seen many healed and set free instantly from bondages such as eating dissorders like bulimia, inner hurts, depression, confusion, anger to name just a few.  Don't you see, the preaching about Jesus is the truth, there is an answer, and there are many of us in the ministry who are willing, ready and able to help these people.-That is the Truth and there is an answer. Linda
 
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January 7, 2006, 4:15 am PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: nbrooks

Do you think that I am offensively, exagerating my importance? 

You may find me offensive as many others probably would. I'm ok with that. I know it is impossible to please everyone and as we see (especially in politics), people who try to please everyone are the people who really don't stand for anything. And in my mind those people are not good role models for society. 

Second of all I don't think that I, in myself, I am important with regards to this issue. I think that what I am saying though, is important. I am stating, and backing up everything that I say with references and historical facts. I am not blindly saying anything, in fact, and I meant to type this in previous posts, if anyone wishes to have further discussion on any of the related topics being discussed please feel free to email me at nbrookskingston@hotmail.com 

I do understand that there are probably billions of people who disagree with me. That is perfectly fine. The things I am stating about these issues are true and not made up. 

Ok, Eastern Thinking, Humanism, post Modernism - take your pick. They may not be axactly the same but they all folow the same agenda. Lets look at Post Modernism: From The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict, written by Josh McDowell, Volume I and II pgs. 612 &619-620 

Truth: Truth does not exist objectively; it is a product of a person's culture 

Thought and Language: thinking is a social contruct,: language is arbitrary, and there is no universal truth transcending culture. 

Take for example the Wexner Center for the Arts at Ohio State University. It has stairways leading to apparently nothing, columns that are raised off the floor, beams going in every direction.... a building that defies all logic right? Not exactly. The only problem is that this building still has to have a logical, firm foundation. If there was no foundation, for instance, the building would not be standing. Regardless of the direction we choose, there still has to be a sensible basis, a truth, for everything. Could you imagine if the English language suddenly became objective in every way to everyone. Everything would fall apart. Obviously perception and tone etc are objective but the actual words can not be. Lets say for instance I said "lets go to the store" and you decided that to you, that meant " lets eat lunch at McDonalds". Everbody decides what's right for them. Even though you're saying that Eastern Thinking is ok, it is impossible to practice it at 100% capacity. And even at 99% it's not really Eastern thinking because the foundation of thought is still based in Western Ideaology. 

  

Hope this explains my stand a little bit better. 

Cheers 

What I think is arrogant is ADMITTING there are millions/billions of people who live their life according to this "eastern thinking" and STILL saying its impossible to do so. 

  

For all those who believe in these particular forms of spirituality/religion it is NOT impossible.  Just because its impossible for YOU, doesent mean its impossible for ANYONE else.  That you think in such a way is, in my view, incredibly arrogant. 

  

Btw.. how is it possible that you claim the foundation of Eastern thinking is based in Western ideaology?   Surley you are aware that  these religions you are saying are "impossible to practice at 100% capacity"(again~ such arrogance!) were going strong long before "western" religions came about?   

 
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January 7, 2006, 5:18 am PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

Quote From: elicow1

Dr. Phil, thank you for acknowledging the existence of evil presence and for encouraging one of the women to go to church. Like it or not, believe it or not, a devil and his angels exist. This may be too simplistic for some sophisticated minds who feel that there is something more philosophical or intellectual about what these people are experiencing. However, if you analyze this verse, it is truly this simple: whether we like or not, accept it or not, we are in a war with the powers of darkness - Satan and his evil angels. Our weapon? Ephesians 6:13-17 "put on the whole armor of God...the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God."
Question, are you a Dr.? Are you a psychologist?  An avid student of theology? A paranormal investigator?  Or are you just an avid believer, because belief without knowledge is like jumping out of a plane without a parachute and depending on God to catch you.  You can quote biblical verses all you like, but that does NOT make you right.   In fact if you aren't a trained professional in any of the above fields I really doubt you'd know the difference between someone who is demonically possessed, and someone with a medical or psychological problem.

If you're telling these people to turn to religion for solace and comfort, that's great. By all means, but you shouldn't act like it's going to solve all their problems, because it won't.   As human beings we are expected to help ourselves and each other, using the tools at our disposal.  Yes, one of those tools is religion, but so is medicine, so is psychology.
 
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January 7, 2006, 8:35 am PST

I think so too

Quote From: nbrooks

I think maybe there was a misunderstanding about the 3 choices comment I made. 

What I was saying is that there are 3 choices in respect to your view of Jesus Christ, not about religion. 

Hope that helps, and if you do discover more than three ways please let me know, I am very interested since I have only come up with three. 

  

I attended a Bible College (similar to a theological seminary but for both sexes) in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada. 

It's called Northeast Christian College. It is a campus and is run by  the United Pentecostal Church International, Atlantic District, not a local church. 

I think there may have been a misunderstanding also.  I was trying to point out about your whole "eastern thinking" view.  I still don't know why you refer to it as "thinking" when it is still going solid to this day.  I am trying to tell you that  without one there would not be another.  Especially when "western thinking" has come from "eastern thinking".  Everything started in the East.  Anyway, just wanted to straiten that out.  I see your Theology classes are paying off.
 
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January 7, 2006, 9:24 am PST

P.S. nbrooks

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Not sure that I understand that (Christian tarot Reader). 

As far as the magi and shepherd interpretation I have to say that it is very interesting, and I will study that out, thankyou for that. 

There is one issue that I may disagree with. I am all for 'Love thy neighbors.." but, and I may be mis-interpreting, it seems that you are saying pagans are ok, christians are ok, whoever is ok with their beliefs. This is what we call 'Eastern thinking' where no one is wrong and everyone is right. The opposite end of course is what we call "Western thinking' where there is either right or wrong. If there are two different religious beliefs only one can be right. The Bible quotes Jesus as saying "I am the way the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the father but by me." To classify this, Jesus obviously believes in Western Thinking. 

So there are 2 possibilities: 

1) Jesus is right. He is the way and there is no other way (that would make all other religions and spiritual beliefs, including pagans and wiccans, wrong. 

2) Jesus is wrong. He is not the way and there is some other way. 

You see if you say that everyone is right then that makes Jesus right. If he is right then everyone else is wrong so, inevitably, Eastern Thinking is impossible. 

You can think what you want of Jesus and the Bible but there are only three possibilities. 

1) Lord: He is God. Obey the Bible 

2) Liar: If this is true then he was obviously not God, and not a prophet or a good man and his teachings should be disregarded and not equalled to muhammed or whomever. 

3) Lunatic: A crazy man, not a prophet. 

Only 3 choices, you pick! 

I understand that you are very much in your own way of thinking and that I cannot "open" the mind of a "closed" minded person.  So, with that said, I see no point sitting here and debating on this subject anymore.  You are clearly not open to other aspects of life and think that YOUR way is the right and only way which is NOT true.  There were OTHER religions BEFORE yours and you should know that since you take Theology, the term that describes MANY beliefs and the definition has been CHANGED throughout history so that now it is referred to Christianity and of God, when really the Greeks used the term to define their Gods (plural).  So anyway, you are obviously put in your own ways and that is good for you.  Just do not disregaurd other beliefs as which your way IS NOT the only way.  Thank you. 
 
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January 7, 2006, 9:38 am PST

my point persisly.

Quote From: charlie75

Sorry, like I said, I was sure your intentions were good.  Thank you for the site link.  That to me is more helpful than simply saying to pray.  Been praying all my life and well... I'm still praying.  Comes off as I may have little faith, but that isn't so.  I am just saying that God has not yet acted on my behalf yet.

yes, god is good, god is great, type thing and all that good wonderful stuff. -_- 

praying, have at it. sure ain't going to do no harm.  i know i'll get wacked down for this but i am going to say it any ways. because i know it is the truth. seen it all my life.  ok... here is my comment. God helps thoses who help themselfs.... (i don't mean go rob a bank either) to heal one self, don't wait around expecting some one or some thing else to fix it for you.  take some control, and start thinking your worth it, and you are worth it. 

 

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January 7, 2006, 11:59 am PST

Please read again!

Quote From: momisme2

What I think is arrogant is ADMITTING there are millions/billions of people who live their life according to this "eastern thinking" and STILL saying its impossible to do so. 

  

For all those who believe in these particular forms of spirituality/religion it is NOT impossible.  Just because its impossible for YOU, doesent mean its impossible for ANYONE else.  That you think in such a way is, in my view, incredibly arrogant. 

  

Btw.. how is it possible that you claim the foundation of Eastern thinking is based in Western ideaology?   Surley you are aware that  these religions you are saying are "impossible to practice at 100% capacity"(again such arrogance!) were going strong long before "western" religions came about?   

Obviuosly you did not read my post correctly. You have twisted just about everything I wrote to say what you wanted to hear(or what you thought you could defend). 

I have made my statements and backed them up with logical thinking, proving that what I said is correct. 

If you can prove me wrong, please do so. 

If not, you should not twist my words or say all your statements without backing them up with logic or facts. 

  

Nathan 

 

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January 7, 2006, 12:12 pm PST

Eastern Thinking

Quote From: elffie

I think there may have been a misunderstanding also.  I was trying to point out about your whole "eastern thinking" view.  I still don't know why you refer to it as "thinking" when it is still going solid to this day.  I am trying to tell you that  without one there would not be another.  Especially when "western thinking" has come from "eastern thinking".  Everything started in the East.  Anyway, just wanted to straiten that out.  I see your Theology classes are paying off.

First of all 'Eastern Thinking' is the actual name of it as is the 2 words 'Western Thinking'.  You can call it what you will but I am not adding the Thinking, it is part of the description of what it actually is, it is describing a state of mind/belief. 

Ok, yes, life started in the east. Great, we'd be fools to disagree with this. So What! Just because many people in middle eastern countries now practice Eastern Thinking does not mean that they did 6,000 yeasrs ago. The oldest historical reference to man (The Bible) shows that man originally was created using Western Thinking as God told them what they could and could not do. That was truth. If they obeyed, they could stay in the garden, if they disobeyed, they were kicked out and cursed. Are you going to tell me that if Adam had said "That's ok for God but for me, eating of the tree's fruit is ok," he could have stayed in the garden because what God said wasn't 'right' for him? 

Regardless of what you say, I do know that you live your life with some truths. How old are you? Is that objective? Think about it! 

  

Nathan 

 

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January 7, 2006, 12:30 pm PST

The right way?

Quote From: elffie

I understand that you are very much in your own way of thinking and that I cannot "open" the mind of a "closed" minded person.  So, with that said, I see no point sitting here and debating on this subject anymore.  You are clearly not open to other aspects of life and think that YOUR way is the right and only way which is NOT true.  There were OTHER religions BEFORE yours and you should know that since you take Theology, the term that describes MANY beliefs and the definition has been CHANGED throughout history so that now it is referred to Christianity and of God, when really the Greeks used the term to define their Gods (plural).  So anyway, you are obviously put in your own ways and that is good for you.  Just do not disregaurd other beliefs as which your way IS NOT the only way.  Thank you. 

Interesting! I'm a little confused. You're saying that my way is not he only right way. Does this mean that my way may be right along with others or are many others the right way and mine is wrong? Because my way states that there is only one way so either I'm right or wrong, I can't be right along with others. 

Maybe the Greeks did use the word Theology differnet -interesting. As for todays English language - I studied Theology - hope that clears it up. 

Rigt you are, there were other religions before Christ came on the scene, but the basis of Christianity comes from the very moment that God created man almost 6,000 years ago. Originally man had a way to communicate with God. Years later, God gave the Hebrews laws about communication with him. Approximately 4,000 years after creation God introduced direct communication with him after his crucifiction and ressurection. 

As far as what I can see from the Bible, God had a plan all along. Yes the name Christ wasn't used until 2,000 years ago but the classification of the word Christianity is the not the most important thing here. The important thing is that you see that 'Christianity' was God's plan all along as it states in John 1:1,14 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." "And the word became flesh and dwelt among us...." John 1:1 shows that Christianity was planned from the 'beginning' and since God always was, Christianity has always been........ 

  

Nathan 

 
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