Topic : 01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

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Do you believe that walking under a ladder or someone giving you the "evil eye" can give you bad luck? Dr. Phil's guests say that curses and evil spirits are wreaking havoc in their lives. Sarah is convinced that she's hexed. For the last five years, she has been plagued with what she calls the "Tuesday Curse." Watch what happens when Dr. Phil's producers follow her around on her "unlucky" day. Then, George is convinced he is reaping the negative effects of a curse put on his family years ago in Mexico. He has even put his wedding plans on hold because he fears the curse will cause him to divorce! Plus, David worries that his wife, Holly, may be possessed because she has had the same nightmare for the past seven years, and she has been talking in a man’s voice, speaking in a foreign tongue and barking like a dog. What's behind her fearsome dreams? And, a woman claims an exorcism, performed by her father 26 years ago, put demons inside of her.  Share your thoughts.

 

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January 7, 2006, 12:41 pm PST

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 In the psychiatric world, Malignant Narcissists the term I would use to describe my Mother's condition, but in the realm i of spiritual acknowledgement, it would be called the spirit of Jezebel.  Regardless of what this condition is called, my mother operates in a very inhumane, selfish, undeniably unremorseful, manipulative and corrupt manner.  She is a distructive person and is much like an emotional vampire.  Possesed by Jezebel or personality disorder.... both the same to me.

My question is open to not only Dr. Phil, but anyone else who may want to shed light or their opinion.  Does anyone have any knoweledge or hands on experiance being raised by a narcissistic parent?  I am now thirty and have my own family, but the web my mother has had the power of creating is not easily dismissed or escapable.  Much damage has been done emotionally and physically to those she's fed upon.  Am I alone?

Mine is one.  She has been diagnosed as paranoid schizophenic, bi-polar.  She plays the devote Christian, but does not act Christian-like.  My mother is 80 and has been saying that she is ill for 45 years now.  Whether true or not, she uses her diagnosis to be a the answer to her selfishness, manipulation, laziness and uncontrolled spending of money.  She has had 4 toilets in her house in 20 years, 3 a/c heating units in 20 years.  She eats unendingly and abuses laxatives, which cause her to be ill and then complains about being ill constantly.  I have told her that anyone as sick as she says she is would have died already.   

  

You are not alone, but you have to get a life in which she is completely absent.  I am serious about this.  You must not let her know your phone number, not allow her to contact you.  You must take control of when you see her and for how long.  I hope that you do not live with her,  you must have a life of your own where no one knows her or she does not influence anyone in your circle of friends.  As my mother does, she probably tells lies about how badly you treat her and lies about other things in her life.  By having a life separate from hers, you can rid yourself of the emotional damage she has created.  When you find yourself thinking about it, tell yourself to stop it and think of something else. 

 
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January 7, 2006, 12:57 pm PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

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Interesting! I'm a little confused. You're saying that my way is not he only right way. Does this mean that my way may be right along with others or are many others the right way and mine is wrong? Because my way states that there is only one way so either I'm right or wrong, I can't be right along with others. 

Maybe the Greeks did use the word Theology differnet -interesting. As for todays English language - I studied Theology - hope that clears it up. 

Rigt you are, there were other religions before Christ came on the scene, but the basis of Christianity comes from the very moment that God created man almost 6,000 years ago. Originally man had a way to communicate with God. Years later, God gave the Hebrews laws about communication with him. Approximately 4,000 years after creation God introduced direct communication with him after his crucifiction and ressurection. 

As far as what I can see from the Bible, God had a plan all along. Yes the name Christ wasn't used until 2,000 years ago but the classification of the word Christianity is the not the most important thing here. The important thing is that you see that 'Christianity' was God's plan all along as it states in John 1:1,14 "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God." "And the word became flesh and dwelt among us...." John 1:1 shows that Christianity was planned from the 'beginning' and since God always was, Christianity has always been........ 

  

Nathan 

You should read Dr Ernest Holmes "Science of the Mind" 

  

World religions/spiritual beliefs have more in common than you think. 

  

To assume that others are wrong is completely arrogant. 

 
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January 7, 2006, 3:15 pm PST

Am I Cursed

I have dark Tuesdays , And I most certainly believe in demons. If one believes In Jesus Christ then one should believe in in the devil and the lengths he will go to , to separate you from Christ. Spritiual warfare goes on around us and we are offered protection and the Bible encourges us to protect ourselves.
 
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January 7, 2006, 4:13 pm PST

01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

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Dear Whispering Eagle, 

  

Firstly, I think you missed the point of what I was trying to get at, which is, stop, take a look at what you have and this country is very wealthy.  And now in reply to your statement of being poor, being a descendant of the Cherokee, which most of my dad's family still live in Oklahoma, at the end of the trail of tears, many of my dad'sfamily do live on a reservation.  Secondly, I have almost been homeless by the age of 5, my family had no food, and yes we were helped by people we didn't know and couldn't repay.  I know about hand-me-down clothes from other peoples children and I was happy to have "new clothes" from them.  I could survive poverty, alcoholism, physical abuse, I watched my mother beaten many times.  My mother, my sister and I had run away from a very bad abusive situation only to be found and brought back.  So, please, before you make a statement about being pushed down and not being able to survive, know the person you are speaking to before you put your foot in your mouth (so to speak).   

  

I am sorry that you took such a negative view of my thoughts, I was just trying to remind people, stop whining and take a look at all the good you have in your life.   

  

Sincerely, 

  

Terri  

Hi Terri, 

  

I think that this is the point where some give and take is needed so to speak.  In life I have often found that when two are at odds, sometimes strickness is not the best alternative.  I can see that you understand the environment on Native American reservations today.  I am extremely grateful for the compassion and sharing that I have experienced since my return home.   

  

I was not raised with my family, due to circumstances beyond my control.  I was born in 1952 and immediately taken from my Native American parents, because they were Indians.  I was then placed in a non-Native home and raised to be white.  I learned to live with the life that I had been placed in and did fairly well for myself.  Finally, at the age of 40 I broke the chains of adoption and began a search for my "real" family.  After thinking that this would be costly and may take a long time I prepared my self for that.  To my complete surprise I was talking to my oldest sister only 45 minutes later.  It was not until 1998, that my husband of 29+ years and I moved across the country to be closer to my family.  I have been spending the past 7+ yrs surviving and living with my relatives.  When we got here I had a job with the tribe, after all I had always had a job.  Not always had a place to live but always had a job.  Within three months I had become so ill that I was fired from my tribal job and my world turned upside down.   

  

Before coming home I have often thought I knew the meaning of words like: prejudice, hate, etc.  I had no idea, as most people who live in the cities do not have.  I could give you the defination of the words but to understand the pain and extreme anger, I had much to learn.  Over the past 7+ yrs my life has gone totally out to a zero income for an extended period of time, to a place now where I am better health wise.  Three years ago I was diagnosed with IBS, Acid Reflux, Digestive Disorders, and PTSD.  Today I do ok due to the small allotment from the SSDI.  I have also completed a degree in Environmental Science  with honors, from our tribal college.  I believe that we all can bounce back but some people do not have the courage or strength to try one more time.   

  

I appreciate your post and understand that the message you were sending.  I do agree that sometimes we get lost in our everyday lives and forget there is a world out there.  Maybe there is a way to disagree and agree at the same time.  I sorry if my message has caused you any offense. 

  

Whispering Eagle 

 
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January 7, 2006, 4:27 pm PST

Come On Dr. Phil!!!

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Hello Whispering Eagle, 

I just wanted to say that it is true we don't have to go too far to find extreme poverty in the US, but what I think Terri was saying is that we ( you and me, not our ancestors) are very lucky to live here.  We have a choice to pull ourselves out of poverty, I can give you many names of people that have done it in the US, one being Oprah herself.  I think that we as a society on the whole are so lucky to have freedoms that other countries could never even dream of!  #1 being freedom of religion, freedom of speech (although I believe some take too much liberty with this), and so so many others.  There are still places in this world that you can be killed for being a Christian, it's not something from yester-year, people are still be persecuted for what they believe.  I am just giving this example because I wear my faith out on my sleeves and am not ashamed to tell you about what I believe.  I am so glad I can tell you and not be harmed in the process. 

I have been to many reservations in my life, living in the midwest and traveling around the states you are bound to travel close to one or through one.  But I also have a sister-in-law, that is as close or even closer to me than my own sister, that is a eye doctor on one of these reservations.  I hear from her all the time about the depression she sees in people.  I know that this has come from a long line of mistrust of white people and from the terrible things we (my ancestors) did to you (your ancestors), but I also believe that everyone in this country has a choice to pick themselves up by their boot straps and live life to the fullest.  I am really trying not to sound insensitive, because I really don't want you to take this as any kind of maliciousness. 

I just feel that people in the US and Canada have so much more to live for than anyone else does in the world.  The US was founded on Godly principles and I believe it is our duty to the world to live our lives to be of service to those who are in need.  To whether it be someone in our own country that needs a helping hand or to those who are truely starving in the world for everything that we sometimes take for granted, whether it is governmental health care or the best doctor money could buy. 

I also want to challege Dr. Phil to see if he could help those who live on reservations.  I think he could do some good to bring this issue to the forefront, although it's probably another hot botton issue. 

Amy Jayne 

Hi Amy Jayne 

  

I like that challenge.  How can we let Dr Phil know about it???  I was thinking of him at a community meeting with some of my fellow tribal members,  most of whom I am related to.  And in the back of my mind I could see him standing in front of everyone and hear him saying "what were you thinking?"   

  

Come on Dr. Phil  Here is a real challenge!! 

  

I would like to share a joke that was going around out here after a few seasons of the the reality show "Survivor".  People out here were saying, "hey, I got the next survivor location: Survivor Indian Style".  The plan was to put a group of these people on a reservation like in the middle of the Navajo reservation and let them try to survive on govt commodities and handouts for a while.  It was quite a hoot and got many laughs, but of course it was a way  to cope with a situation that daily seems to be out of control for many people out here.   

  

Help is needed but not the cold heartless govt help, but something more compassionate, and caring.  Although I do not participate in the alcohol or the drugs or other illegal activities, I am concerned that people that I do not know yet are going to be gone too soon.  Do you know how long it takes to get to know over 4,000 relatives??? 

  

Whispering Eagle 

 
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January 7, 2006, 4:55 pm PST

Experience Talking

My first demonic experience happend at the age of 9 after the death of my brother, when I was young everyone told me they were just bad dreams...now at the age of 41 they say I'm just nuts and UNDER medicated. 

My personal experiences would blow your mind, but sharing what happened to me is not why I'm writing, I'm writing because through the years I have learned a great deal about this subject and trust me it's not uncommon. 

 I am in know way going to start preaching but the Bible is filled with examples of not only possession but being tormented by demons...even Christ himself was tomented while hanging on the cross and I can assure you Christ was not possessed he was tormented, he was also tempted in the wilderness. This should be proof enough that you don't have to be an evil person to be possessed or tormented...was Christ evil? 

  

What worked for me: 

God does tell us how to cast out demons in HIS name.  

I know you have tried this but remember one important thing when you cast them out do you believe that they have to leave or  do you doubt the living God? 

Remember that the scriptures do say that demons cannot harm us, they are able to get to certian people though their weakness, for example fear, illness, drugs, and evil...etc. we can be weak in so many ways. 

Pray for God to take your weakness away, and again don't doubt that he will, pray for faith...you don't get it unless you ask. 

Last word of advice... 

Do what I do at night and you "Will Not" have demon attacks, be tormented, demonic dreams. 

When I go to bed I put a tape on of the Bible on cassette, demons are terrified of the word of God, when these words are going into your mind the demons will flee from you...just like God says! 

If you have demonic problems during the day while you are wide awake, like myself...pray, read scriptures, listen on tape. 

  

Do not feel guilty that the demons choose you, if you think for 1 second that they haven't got to the rest of the world...take another look at the world. 

  

God be with you. 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

 
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January 7, 2006, 5:18 pm PST

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What are you talking about! Miracles happen every day. Be real! I have had many. How do you explain a friend of mine who died and was in the morgue with a toe tag and in a body bag. when she died she went to hell and saw horrible things and she cried out to Jesus and said help me, get me out of here. I know I deserve to be here but I'm sorry. Help me. Then she was taken to heaven and shown many wonderful things and God told her to go back  and to tell others what she saw and what happened to her. She is now totally restored and runs seven miles a day. Oh by the way she was legally blind and has 20/20.. People are prayed for and healed of terminal cancer, aids etc. I know a women who had a bad heart and an EKG, which is like a blue print or finger print and never changes now shows a brand new heart, she was blind and now see perfectly, and this is documented. Also her leg was aputated just below the knee, and her prothesis started to really bother her so she went back to the guy who made it for her, and he looked at it and exrayed her leg and she is growing bone, ligament and tissue back. Her leg is slowly growing back and every time we see her it is longer. The last time I saw her, her leg was grown down to just above the ankle. This is documented and proven. And my friend who died has her death certificate with her at all times as the Lord told her to carry it and tell others about what happened and about heaven and hell which are real. God says in His Word " I put before life and death, bleasings and curses, choose life" As for links there are so many. I have prayed for so many people whose lives have dramatlcally changed for the better, have seen many healed and set free instantly from bondages such as eating dissorders like bulimia, inner hurts, depression, confusion, anger to name just a few.  Don't you see, the preaching about Jesus is the truth, there is an answer, and there are many of us in the ministry who are willing, ready and able to help these people.-That is the Truth and there is an answer. Linda
Well let's just say they didn't get better because YOU or anyone else prayed for them.  It might be coincidental,  it doens't really matter to me.  And there may be object ive "truth" but you don't know it, and I don't know it.  No one does.  And don't try to use the bible or any other religious texts to justify what you say because everything on this earth has been touched by human hands and biases and is therefore  imperfect and flawed, and that INCLUDES religious writings. 

Now, I am DONE talking religion with people.  I don't care what people believe and why. I just want you all to do something USEFUL for people, instead of bantering on and on about who's religion is right and who's is wrong. 

If you're so willing to help people than give REAL answers instead of the philisophical and theological discussions. This isn't the place for it.   What this forum was for is HELPING people cope with events and feelings that upset them.  It's not a place for ANYONE to evenagelize or prosteletize their religious agenda.

~*~ Jé~*~
 
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January 7, 2006, 7:54 pm PST

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 I think you've touched on something here.  That's why earlier I said people with these problems need to be evaluted for pyschological and physical problems.  I used to think I saw ghosts, heard voices, etc... Then my Dr. found out I have narcolepsy which can cause things called "hynogogic hallucinations".  Which always seem VERY real, like a waking dream., and occur at the onset of sleep and during sleep.  Also other health problems can cause visual and auditory hallucinations durking WAKING hours.  The type of hallucinations or "visions" you suffer often mirror internal conflicts or things in your subconcious that are bothering you.  A lot of times emotions that you hold back are released and effect what you see.

I think most of the guests could benefit from a work up from a physical Dr. and a mental health professional.
This reply from Kitashia, was interesting. I thought for years I had some type of mental disorder. From a little girl up, I have on several occassions, seen ghosts or some type of polterguiest (sp?). As I reached 40 and over, I had a very traumatic experience in my life.. I started to have bad nightmares, in which I would see dark figures entering my bedroom while I was sleeping, I would wake to see them approach me and they told me if they ever caught me I would die. There were many times, I would scream for my husband, grab him and jump over him to get out of his side of the bed for safety from these figures. I NEVER lay on my back, but one night I just happened to roll over on my back and one of them came onto me and attacked me, of course I didn't die but then realized that it had to be some type of hormonal thing or stress, which I do believe it was. I haven't experienced these dreams in quite a long time now. I Pray alot more than I used to and have always trusted the Lord for everything, but I find that if I put God first nothing can step between us. I am so glad these nightmares have a name, and moreso, it's just nice to be able to share!
 
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January 7, 2006, 10:12 pm PST

Fair enough!

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You don't know what Dissociative Identity Disorder is, do you?  Some of your suggestions are out of reach right now because I lose time. I don't choose it, it just happens. I am a Christian and have already been baptized. Also been through Neil Andersons "steps to freedom".  I've been to every ministry within driving distance, and you would not believe the stuff I've been through with them.  I cannot attend church right now. Long story.  Besides, every christian church I've tried to attend has asked me to leave before long.   Suffice it to say that they don't believe me.  

  

 I find people who believe in dissociation, but not spiritual oppression...and I can find people who believe in oppression, but not dissociation.  In other words, either shrinks dismiss any discussion of spiritual things and say its ALL in my head. OR churches who say it is ALL spiritual and do not believe in DID.  Sometimes the right kind of help is not available so all one can do is function as best as they can.  I don't bother trying to make friends anymore because they can't handle knowing the truth about me.  

I don't know anything about Disassocative Identity Disorder.  Explain it to me.  If you want to  talk about it in private my email address is olivcrl7@aol.com.  I hope that you and I can become friends.  If you truly need help and you haven't just settled for life in this fashion , lets talk.  What have you got to lose?  I don't think you've ever been to a Christian church like the one I attend or you would have never been asked to leave.  Jesus came to heal the sick and to set the captive free.  We believe he did exactly that at the cross.  It's already finished, just walk in it.  I'll show you how.  Hope to hear from you soon....Carolyn 
 
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January 7, 2006, 10:48 pm PST

:) just for fun...

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Hi Amy Jayne 

  

I like that challenge.  How can we let Dr Phil know about it???  I was thinking of him at a community meeting with some of my fellow tribal members,  most of whom I am related to.  And in the back of my mind I could see him standing in front of everyone and hear him saying "what were you thinking?"   

  

Come on Dr. Phil  Here is a real challenge!! 

  

I would like to share a joke that was going around out here after a few seasons of the the reality show "Survivor".  People out here were saying, "hey, I got the next survivor location: Survivor Indian Style".  The plan was to put a group of these people on a reservation like in the middle of the Navajo reservation and let them try to survive on govt commodities and handouts for a while.  It was quite a hoot and got many laughs, but of course it was a way  to cope with a situation that daily seems to be out of control for many people out here.   

  

Help is needed but not the cold heartless govt help, but something more compassionate, and caring.  Although I do not participate in the alcohol or the drugs or other illegal activities, I am concerned that people that I do not know yet are going to be gone too soon.  Do you know how long it takes to get to know over 4,000 relatives??? 

  

Whispering Eagle 

Ok, I know this is totally off subject.  But maybe this board could use a little lightening up.  I total love what you said about the next survivor location, too funny.  In my household we also have a running joke that they should really come to Iowa and try to survive and Iowan winter.  But then I guess that wouldn't probably be too much of a ratings booster as they couldn't strut around in their bikini's anymore.  I still think it would be a true survivor though, your idea and mine as well. :) 

  

On a different note, I totally agree that compassion can go a long way.  I am very proud of the work my sister-in-law is doing, especially because she's going into the grade schools and getting the children tested for eye problems and diseases.  She's really put a lot of passion into her work and I think that is why God placed her there.  I just pray that you will receive more people with such passion.  It truely shows that one person can make a great difference.  I think a lot of us should learn that. 

  

I can't imagine how good it must feel to have so many relatives so close.  My family is so spread out, wish we could be a little closer together. :) 

Amy :) 

 
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