Topic : 01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

For me religion and the human mind goes hand in hand.  I am sure this is true whatever religion you are.  I just have told people what has worked for me and if you don't think that is a real answer, than I guess you will just have to do what you will.  For me Christianity is the answer, it is the only thing that has helped me many times through my emotional distresses.  I just wanted to let people know that there is a way out and it's through the blood of Jesus.  I think if I didn't discuss that I wouldn't be giving a person the whole truth about what helped me get through rough patches in life.   

I am not a clinical psychologist by any means, but I am not uneducated.  I have taken well over 20 hours of college level psychology classes as I was once a psychology major in a liberal arts university.  But it didn't really help me.  It was missing something, and I found that something quite a few years ago when I gave my life to Christ.  I think sometimes we try too hard to find something mentally wrong with a person, and then to find out later that just a little dose of a love that they had never known will cure all things.  I don't doubt that there is mental illness out there, but I also don't doubt that some people are just looking for a power greater than themselves.  I have read posts on this board that suggested to me that there are quite a few people out there that are looking for that power.   

Also I am just defending my maker against anyone that has said he doesn't exist, and if that is evangelizing than so be it.  If you are so uncomfortable in reading that, then by all means don't read it.   

I twisted your words?  Dont think so!  Everything I responded to I copied from your original posts. 

  

I havent used logic?   Im wondering if you have even read your posts?  You speak about life begining in the East, saying people would be foolish to dissagree with that, then you say SO WHAT and go into your Bible descriptions about how life started.  tehehe     

  

Obviously you want to be right.  You arent concerned with any facts(Eastern religions were formed looooong before Christianity and are still being followed by whole nations of people but, according to you, that doesent matter because everything boils down to the Garden of Eden~just one example of your form of "logic")but instead want to prove your "rightness".   If you notice, I never once said your way of thinking was wrong.  I said it was arrogant to tell millions/billions of people that their thinking was wrong.   Or to be exact about it, impossible was the word you used.   

  

Here is some logic and facts for you.  You cant begin to know what is possible or impossible for anyone else unless you have climbed inside their minds and souls.  To even begin to think you could know what millions/billions of people think-feel-believe is so far beyond arrogance its just funny.   

  

Its been fun chatting with you but apparently youre not used to having people dissagree with your particular forms of "logic" and "facts" so I think it would be best if I wished you well and ended this.  I have absolutley no desire to "prove you wrong".  That is the difference between you and me.  You are hell bent on telling anyone who thinks/believes different then you that they are wrong and their way is "impossible".  I would never presume to make such a statement.   The most I would ever say is that their way is wrong for me and leave it at that.    

  

 Have a nice life!   :D 

  

  

  

Religion , belief systems and cults have done more harm to the world and individuals then anything  else!!!

Sharon, after watching you on the Dr. Phil show, I believe you are a beautiful person inside and out.  I also believe that we all have the power to take control of our mind and our thoughts which make up the person we are.  Whatever you dream of doing, put your mind to it and it can be done.  With professional counseling and positive energy, your life will do a complete turnaround.  Also, being a very spiritual person, I do not believe that anyone is cursed for life.  I believe you need to find comfort in a Church family that will help to support you through this rough time. 

My prayers are with you! 

  

Debbie from Bethlehem PA 

Your post is the type I'm talking about  SHOULD be on this board.   It is supportive, but pushy from the religious angle.   It also shows that you are personally giving your support to the person in the best method you personally have, which is prayer.  Good for you :)

Forget Iowa!  I say they should have the next Survivor out my way and see how everyone makes out in a Buffalo winter!  :D  HA HA 

  

Hope you stay warm and get at least a few 40(dare we hope for 50?)degree days.   Just think... another few months and we will be looking at Spring!  :) 

 I didn't say I was uncomfortable reading it. I'm just saying the long and lengthy discussions over religion are in my opinion not appropriate for this particular topic.  This topic should focus on helping people with thier  problem. 

I am also saying that before people start in thinking they are possessed/cursed/whatever, then they need to take the route of making SURE there is nothing physically or mentally wrong with them before turning to things like excorcism or praying with the expectaion that some divine power is going to fix their problems.  I don't think that is such unreasonable advice.  

What I find unreasonable is people who just automatically give people the advice of "find Jesus" or "pray about it" with the expectation that divine intervention will stop their problem when there could be a physical or mental issue causing their problem, that can be fixed through human means.

Another note, if you took psychology classes in hopes of understanding yourself  and helping your problems then you totally missed the point of psychology.   You can't diagnose and treat yourself.   The whole point of psychology is an objective party looking at a problem of the human mind.  And when we diagnose or try to treat ourselves we are NOT objective, we can't be.   But then again psychology doesn't work for EVERYONE.

I think it's great that prayer worked for you. I think had you just left your post at "For me Christianity is the answer, it is the only thing that helped me many times through my emotional distress." and then elaborated on that point, like what you did?  How you were feeling? How you came to that conclusion.   What other methods you tried?  Then I think your post would have been very helpful .

I am not trying to dismiss anyone's religious convictions I"m just trying to help people be as helpful as possible with their posts so we can all get the maximum benefit out of this forum.

 that should say NOT pushy.

     I wish that someone would tell me why he or she thinks that he or she is the right way.  Did it ever occur to any of you that the reason we need other people is to complete our lives.  The human is a social animal and needs others for the basic necessities of life:  food, clothing and shelter.   

  

     Did Jesus Christ not say to Simon Peter, "Thou are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my church?"  My question is that since Christ chose Peter to head his Church, are not all of these other so-called religions cults?   

     It also seems to me that anyone can interpret a passage in the scripture to justify any odd behavior, such as speaking in jibberish (sorry, it is not a language unless as on an episode of Frasier, you are speaking in Klingon). 

     Pentecostals speak jibberish and witches talk backwards--sounds the same doesn't it?   

  

     Psychics have a gift from God, if he or she uses that gift, he or she can help you.  Sure, some abuse that gift.  But, if he or she is honest, he or she can help.  We are not talking about the dabbling in the occult or Morgana from King Arthur's legend.  Accept that some people have the gift of seeing just as some have the gift of playing the piano, or doing a portrait and solving the equation of energy.  If you think you have a problem, see a psychic.  Silvia Browne seems honest to me.  Expensive, probably, but there are others, use the yellow pages.   

  

     When you pray to God, you get an answer, if the answer is to see a psychic, do it.  The lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.  

 Sorry to others that have written in regards to my situation and I have not yet replied.  I have been at work and not online before or after.

One reply suggested that I write to my mother a genuine letter expressing myself whole heartedly.  It worked for her.  I don't think that she understands what I am talking about.  My mothers condition does not allow for communication.  I have in my niavity written letters upon letters and it didn't pan out like her reconcillation with her mother.  When you have a mom that is a narcissist, it is a totally different story.  My mother retaliated with accusing me of what I shared with her.  She further lied, involved others with her lies, started a scandle, manipulated the entire situation and cut me out of her life.  She got my father and brother to ostrisize me as well for they are caught in her web and live under the same roof as her.  It is a very complex situation.  Her is an example.  My last fight with my mother was because she called me a slut that deserved to be raped.  When I wrote her a letter regarding that, she then called up her friends and pastors and told them that I took her grandchildren from her and wouldn't allow her to see them.  No such thing had happened.  No conversations regarding my daughters happened.  She had a whole slew of people tending to her broken heart feeding her disease for attention and manipulation.  She not only refuses to apoligize, but denies any conversation with me unless I chose to pretend none of it happened and play into her new lies.  It is so hard to explain this to people that do not have experiance with this.

Another reply was talking about a girl that was really defensive when accused of being a lier and is now in a pshyc ward etc etc.  This too is different with a Narcissist.  My Narcissistic Mother does not get defensive.  Anything she is accused of is regurgitated upon the accuser. 

My Narcissistic Mother holds herself on a higher plateau and only accuses those of what they accuse her of.  She talks with a prophetic tone and forwarns the accuser of their faults and puts them beneath her.  As though she is all knowing and we are but pawns in denial of the truths she sees.  She is very snubby and cold in her responses.  It is difficult to explain.  Just know that my Narcissistic Mother, in her mind, is never wrong, but instead being wronged and not honored with the praise and respect she demands to receive.  She believes her own fantasies that she creates.

Someone else mentioned that they were real sorry to hear about my mother taking to court for grandparent rights.  This she has threatened to me, but never has done it to me.  She did this to my older sister and yes, she won!  Can you believe that?  My mother is good at what she does.  My sister is court ordered to give her children to my mother every 3rd saturday of the month.  It is truely sick what she can accomplish. 

This is even worse.  My mom runs a dayhome.  Yeah, believe that!  She watches a neighbours children.  I have been there and wittnessed her abusiveness upon her kids.  The sad thing is that there is little I can do, since the mother does not believe me and feeds right into the palm of my mother's hand by praising how great of a caregiver she is.  I have seen my mother put her child into tears within seconds then inforce discipline upon her.  Sick I tell you, sick!

To the person that I've qouted above, thank you.... you get it!  You advice about getting as far from her as possible is a lesson I have recently learned.  This is what has encouraged me to start talking about it.  Now that I have set myself physically away from her.  I do not live with her.  I have many times though due to circumstances.  I have actually, just months ago, blocked her number to keep her from calling here which she did obsessivley.  Not to talk to me, but to my children.  She would leave messages upon messages that just made me cringe.  I am just newly taking the steps to seperating myself from her. 

It is hard though.  I mean, for example christmas.  My father wanted to see my girls.  He said that he would be there the whole time.  I let my girls go over.  I am now thinking that this is not wise to continue.  He doesn't have the back bone or courage to stand up to her and therefore.... he is not one to be trusted to protect my children from her.  I mean, he never protected me.  Thank you so much for affirming that I need to let her go completely.  Lately, it is like mourning the loss of family.  Not that it was much of one to begin with.  I have been trying to come to terms with the choice to let them all go and sevre all communication with all of them for the sake of sanity and protecting my daughters.

Again, thanks.
Charlie