Topic : 01/05 "Am I Cursed?"

I agree with momisme about responding to people like Sharon with stuff like "Jesus is the only way", and all the hellfire and damnation things that Christians like to say. Saying those things to people who were repeatedly abused in the name of Jesus does nothing more than reinforce the trauma the person experienced. Children have it drilled into their heads that if they are bad they will go to hell, that the bad things being done are because Jesus loves them, etc.  

  

While my abuse in the name of Jesus was not the same as Sharons, the effects are similar.  Love hurts. Jesus hurts. and because it hurts, I'm going to hell. Or am I? This verse in the bible says one thing - that I am going to heaven. But somewhere else it says I'm going to hell, so why try figuring it out? It is just too much. 

I watched the show and didn't think that I was going to post on the subject but I just couldn't resist.  I think I have the worst luck in the world.  Nothing ever goes right for me.  It's like I was just meant to fail at everything despite my best efforts.  Just once, I would love for something to go right!!!!!!!!

   momisme2, you sound like a very caring and sweet individual. Great sympathy I have for you. As implode1, I can say the greater part of the Church is a TERROR MACHINE. It is a moneymaking corporate enterprise. The technique for raking in money, time-tested and true, is to generate TERROR. This is how it's been from day one. momisme2, I invite you to share with us your personal philosophy or current spiritual focus in light of your background, and the work you do. We don't need a full bio, just some words on how life is. 

   It sounds like you and justweird got the fear treatment served up to you on a plate, and maybe more. I can personally confirm this through direct experience after having gone to several different churches before to "experiment", and got the same thing--a lingering and disturbing sense of unease that comes as reliably as white on rice.  

   A buddy called Chuck I lived with had gone to Catholic school as a youth. After obtaining the same treatment, he lost all spirituality and has never believed in anything except UFOs. 

   To dlynn pa, don't fall into the mental trap of tabulating all the bad stuff that happens. You will begin to see it everywhere. I'm not posting because I have any issues with luck--I was in tearful shock over Sharon's distress. That was like watching a soul being murdered. Again, if anyone can reach her, give her my origional embedded message and my contact forceit_229@yahoo.com PLEASE. I have to help her. dlynn pa, I can't tell what's happening with you, but listen to this. implode1 has grown up with severe depression and anxiety. My dad treated me badly, did drugs, played pornography (and with himself) in the house, got divorced, arrested and thrown in jail, and has been homeless for 5 years. I was abused at school. Drug dealers and prostitution drove me out of a once fine neighborhood. A house adjascent to mine BLEW TO BITS, sending its occupant into grave condition. Someone set my house on fire TWICE in 3 months, one of them on Christmas Day. One fire nearly killed my family--an unsolved attempted murder. I've been unable to drive or get a job due to my earlier conditions, and no remedy either conventional or alternative had worked. But I don't have any hex on me or evil spirits chasing me. Those things come from your thoughts and the beliefs you subscribe to.   My best heartfelt wishes for you all... 

Not all who wonder are lost and want to be saved.  Please keep that in mind.  Thank you.  Have a great day. 

How do you know what the truth is?  Where you there?  How do you know you have it right?  It sounds to me like you are putting people down because they don't want or need you to save them.  Sounds pretty high and mighty to me.  I don't need a supernatural entity to tell me the difference between right and wrong.  I do what is right and get trampled upon. 

  

Major Religions of the World
Ranked by Number of Adherents

(Sizes shown are approximate estimates, and are here mainly for the purpose of ordering the groups, not providing a definitive number. This list is sociological/statistical in perspective.)  

1. Christianity: 2.1 billion
   
2. Islam: 1.3 billion
   
3. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
   
4. Hinduism: 900 million
   
5. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
   
6. Buddhism: 376 million
   
7. primal-indigenous: 300 million
   
8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
   
9. Sikhism: 23 million
   
10. Juche: 19 million
    
11. Spiritism: 15 million
    
12. Judaism: 14 million
    
13. Baha'i: 7 million
    
14. Jainism: 4.2 million
    
15. Shinto: 4 million
    
16. Cao Dai: 4 million
    
17. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
    
18. Tenrikyo: 2 million
    
19. Neo-Paganism: 1 million
    
20. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
    
21. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
    
22. Scientology: 500 thousand

Are the remainder 67% pagans that need to be saved????  Sounds like maybe you would be out numbered.  Tolerance is obviously not a true christian trait if that is what you are claiming to be....  

Listen, I know that you mean well, but you are missing the point entirely. What is love? Is it trivializing and dismissing the things that people have gone thrugh, telling them to just get Jesus and get over it? It isn't that simple, and you talking like that is NOT showing compassion and love. It is saying "I don't care how you feel. Just get over it.  By the way Jesus loves you" 

  

You have absolutely ZERO concept of what cult abuse does to children. What happens when all a child knows for the first decade of their life is that "Love" means having sex, and the person that tells them that calls themself "Jesus".  And that telling is a sin. And that sinners die and go to hell. And if you are bad, your pet will be killed to. And maybe your baby brother too. That is all that child knows - terror. There is no place to escape and no safe people.   

  

Would you go up to that child and start telling them they have to love Jesus or else they are going to hell? Think about how that child would hear it. Remember - they have NO concept of the "real" Jesus. Just telling them that the other one was really the devil isn't going to help. Just telling them that Jesus is really a good guy isn't going to help.  

  

They have had years and years being shown and learning the opposite. They also need to be SHOWN the opposite over and over again. Not just told. This isn't something that just goes away by saying a little prayer. I have Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality). The damage runs deeper than you know. I can rationalize all the words you just said, but there are parts of me who cannot. They are still terrified of Jesus. Terrified.  

  

You can sit there all day and say "well thats a lie get that lie out of your head and believe Jesus loves you before it is too late. I don't want you to go to hell".  But I have to tell you that saying those words without compassion of any kind is just plain cruel.  Did the real Jesus just preach about goodness, or did he practice it as well? 

I wanted to thank you in your help to show countrycow as well as other that not everyone who doesn't have Jesus in their lives are bad or evil and need to be saved.  I don't know if you have read any of my earlier postings, but I tried to tell people the same thing and had no luck.  It is always nice hearing from someone who actually has facts, I like the graph :).  Are you Christain?  If you are you are of the better ones that I have met.  True, Christianity was not the first religion, but now seems to be prominent today, it was not the first and not the only religion.  So there is proof that people lived a different way before Christianity, so that makes my point that there is not only one way to live.  I am not Christian, but would consider myself religous.  If only everyone would be accepting of others.