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(Original Air Date: 01/09/06) If you’re getting a divorce, or even considering one, and you have kids, don't miss this show! Dr. Phil talks to parents who are embroiled in bitter custody battles, leaving their innocent children caught in the crossfire. Scott is tired of fighting with his ex-wife, Tiffany, over visitation of their two sons. The bickering has gotten so bad that Tiffany claims Scott spit on her during a recent encounter. Can they learn to respect each other for the sake of their kids? Plus, Angela says her ex-husband, Chris's violent past and brushes with the law have her so scared that she refuses to let him near their 7-year-old daughter. Does a man with Chris’s past deserve a second chance to be a father? Share your thoughts.

 

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January 9, 2006, 1:55 pm PST

The Courts Do have The Final Decision!

Sorry but I have been through too much with an ex who I was NEVER married to who are Wonderful Court System does nothing but turn my son right back over who is now almost 12.  I have full custody but it does not matter as I know he has to go for his visitations.  

  

At 2 HE committed Child Abuse and my son had bruises and a large hand print all over his back and bottom and was found guilty by DCFS!  I have documents from DCFS and the ER Room!  

The Courts did nothing but turn him right back over.   

  

Several months after that he refused to return my son and I had NO idea where he was.  I also have police reports.  He was around 3.5 then.   The father also had a warrant out for his arrest for not showing up for Court at which time the Sheriff arrested him right in front of my house when he came to to pick him up for a visitation this summer.    

  

AND Currently in August 2004 He refused to let him come home and he missed 2 days of School.  I had to take out an Emergency Order of Protection against him and have a police escort to get him back.  The Court again did NOTHING but return him right back to him.  When he is with him he never gives my son the messages when I call.  HE basically uses and abuses my son as a pawn to get at me.  My son will be 12 and hates going to his home but I have to threaten my son that if he does not go with his father I will be arrested.  Dr. PHIL this is our crazy Court System that does NOT give my son ANY rights until he is 18.  He has to be forced to go every other weekend.   

  

Why do Abusive parents have soo many rights?   

 
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January 9, 2006, 2:04 pm PST

01/09 Nasty Custody Battles

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I am a divorced father of 2 children.  I have shared custody with my ex.  My girlfriend is a divorced mother of 2 children and has full custody.  In this age of blended families, I am curious as to what level of authority a step-parent can realistically have.  My girlfriend and I talk about how to raise our kids and we have the same ideas when it comes to respect, chores, and discipline.  We are both strict with our kids but we also do a lot of things with them. 

  

In today's show, Dr. Phil mentioned that a step-parent should not discipline their non-biological children.  Where is that line drawn?  I will watch my girlfriend's children when she is at work.  They love me and I love them, but when they do something wrong, am I supposed to wait until their mother gets home so she can handle the situation?  I would think that would do nothing more than undermine their respect for me. 

  

Thoughts? 

  

Brian 

Step Parents is a touchy subject. 

  

My children have went through two step mothers in 4 years.    

Step parent spanking there step children should not happen.. I am a noncustodial parent and I can't stand it when the other woman spanks my children.  I can see grounding, time out but never spanking.   

  

My ex husband clearly stated that my husband nor his girlfriend/wife is allowed to spank our children.  that is to be left up to him and myself.   

  

All in all it depends on the other parent as well.   

  

Good Luck 

  

 
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January 9, 2006, 2:09 pm PST

In the end, the child will have the finally say.

When my mother divorced my father, my father was attempting to recover from drug and alcohol addiction.  For about a year, my father remained "visible" in my life.  I believe he checked himself into a rehab center after the divorce in attempted to win back my mother.  I remember visiting him once.  When he was released he moved to another state.  We spoke on the phone.  And then the visitation question came up.  My mother agreed to send me to see him one weekend.  Unfortunately, on the day I was suppose to get on the train, he never called to confirm with my mother.  We waited all day, with my bags backed, and eventually he called saying that he had some trouble with his roommates.  My mother said one thing - one of the last memories I have of dealing with my father - she said that she will never allow him to treat me the way he treated her.  I never heard from my father again...until I was 17. 

  

There was never a custody battle over me.  My mother remarried 3 years later and started another family with her husband.  I did not have a good experience with my stepfather, so to me, I have no father.  When I was 17, an old family friend called my mother and said my father was looking for me.  He wanted to speak with me.  My mother flipped out.  After the smoke cleared, my father left a number with the friend.  I remember I was sitting in my room that day selecting a high school graduation ring and I wrote his number on the large white envelop.  I stared at it for hours.  I had always thought of this moment, I had pictured a happy reunion.  I had held my father on a high pedestal, remembering all the times he would show up during my nap times in pre-K and I would wake up to a new toy next to me.  I remember the laughters and the times we would tickle my mother until she couldn't breathe.  My mother was so jealous of our relationship.  I was his little princess.  She said I ran behind him like a little puppy.  But then I remember the times he left me in his truck in the middle of the nights, the times he broke my toys in moments of anger, the drunk nights he banged on the front door, and other horrible things I witnessed in his presence like drug use (if only my mother knew the truth, but maybe she does).  So, I threw his number away because there was nothing left to say.  Those wounds had closed on their own and I didn't want to reopen them.  I had made it thus far on my own without a father.  I never heard from him again. 

  

I am one of the lucky ones.  Thats what my aunt says.  I am not a statistic.  But that doesn't make me feel any better.  There is apart of me that I do not know.  A side of a family that is only a blur in my memory.  I am torn by this topic.    Because part of me is happy that my father stayed away.  I am friends with people who have fathers or have children whose fathers are in and out of their loves like yo-yos.  Its confusing!  Its frustrating.  Its depressing.  I know that the fathers are not all to blame because I know women who use the children to provoke these feelings and it hurts me to watch.  I know fathers who want to see their children and cannot, and feel there is nothing they can do.  But society teaches us that mothers are the best parents (thats the message I get), however, I am the first to tell these men to take the mothers to court.  Mothers are so presistant to file for child support, then fathers need to fight back and file for visitation rights.  Especially in the urban culture, fathers do not know their rights.  The fathers I know love their children and financially support their children only to travel like the father in this show 5 hours to be denied access to the child.  Children are human beings.  They are move active and perceptive than adults.  They sense every emotion.  They are intelligent little people.  And as per Dr. Phil, I agree, when they get older and begin asking questions and have the access to answer their questions, the mothers and the fathers will have much to answer to.  I may not have liked that my father never fought to see me, but I definitely know that I would never want the type of love involved in a bitter custody war or a yo-yo relationship with a parent. 

  

I am older now, almost 10 years have past since I threw my father's number away.  I have unanswered question about my genealogy.  I do not have any questions of why - I worked with drug and alcohol abusers for 2 years, and I forgive him because his demons controlled his life and prevented him from knowing his daughter.  I believe that his call 10 years ago was a difficult one for him and I realize now that my no response must have cut him deep.  But that was my choice to not call and I am content because I finally got the opportunity to make a choice.     

  

   

 
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January 9, 2006, 2:11 pm PST

visitation for last couple

i believe that dr phil gave the best advice that he has ever givin today for the gentleman to start out with supervised visitation and then build up a history that will contradict his past actions myself i have a not so predictable past (on a different scale) and it has taking me yrs to turn things around to where people trust what i say and that i will do what i say im gonna do, i could tell that the man was very disturbed at not being able to see his daughter but his history of being unpredictable out weighs anything that he has accomplished in a mere 10 or 11 months it will take consistancy and time to prove himself worthy of being a role model for men in this young ladies life , it is a privilage to be able to raise a child not a right, i havent seen my first grandaughter in 6 yrs do to the bad choices my daughter made and it is so so hard at times because my wife and i pratically raised her for her first 4 yrs , i just keep telling my wife and myself that one day she will want to know what happened to her papa and meme and come looking for us unless cicumstances allow us to make that first move, thanks for ths great advice that i recieve everyday when i watch your show dr phil keep up the awesome job
 
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January 9, 2006, 2:15 pm PST

Chris maligned!!!

Dr. Phail, 

I feel you completely missed the boat with Chris. He was not convicted of that assau;t. I feel thta he was right on and that his exwife was lying and it was much to convient for her to have somewon present while talking to him. I think she is vindictive and a very good actess in gaining sympanthy for herself. I do not think cris would harm hid daughter at all. I also think part of his problem is the way his exwife treats him and gains everyone's sympathy for her. I was married the first time for about 3 years and my exwife pulled all of the tricks on my while I had had and never have harmed a child nor struck my currant wife and never would strike a woman. I know how Chris feels and can feel empathy for him in the loss of his daughter. My exwife took off with my replacement and back in those days without the internet I didn't Find my chilcren for 13 years. Since then I have found both of them when they were teens and my daughter and I have become very close. My son, while we speak and correspond are not close. I have 5 grandsons and love being grandpa to them and love and am loved by them. 

 
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January 9, 2006, 2:29 pm PST

In total agreement

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Sorry but I have been through too much with an ex who I was NEVER married to who are Wonderful Court System does nothing but turn my son right back over who is now almost 12.  I have full custody but it does not matter as I know he has to go for his visitations.  

  

At 2 HE committed Child Abuse and my son had bruises and a large hand print all over his back and bottom and was found guilty by DCFS!  I have documents from DCFS and the ER Room!  

The Courts did nothing but turn him right back over.   

  

Several months after that he refused to return my son and I had NO idea where he was.  I also have police reports.  He was around 3.5 then.   The father also had a warrant out for his arrest for not showing up for Court at which time the Sheriff arrested him right in front of my house when he came to to pick him up for a visitation this summer.    

  

AND Currently in August 2004 He refused to let him come home and he missed 2 days of School.  I had to take out an Emergency Order of Protection against him and have a police escort to get him back.  The Court again did NOTHING but return him right back to him.  When he is with him he never gives my son the messages when I call.  HE basically uses and abuses my son as a pawn to get at me.  My son will be 12 and hates going to his home but I have to threaten my son that if he does not go with his father I will be arrested.  Dr. PHIL this is our crazy Court System that does NOT give my son ANY rights until he is 18.  He has to be forced to go every other weekend.   

  

Why do Abusive parents have soo many rights?   

I totally agree with you I have been batteling the courts for the last 6yrs with my children.  Although their father is not physically harming them he is in every other way.   He was very abusive to me in front of the children and he would take off with my oldest child when we would get in an arguement .  He was afraid of the police arresting him and not at all concerned if he got in an accident with them.  There were quite a few times he was drunk and would take off like a mad man with her and sometimes both of them and tell them "it was crazy driving",  as if it was fun.... running from the police. 

  

And when he brought his now psychotic wife into  my childrens life she began showing how crazy she was my chasing me, swerving at me, flipping me off  in front of the kids, the kids were terrified of her, they began having nervous problems.   The courts claimed she was unfit to have the one child that had a father, but I should have no problems having her around mine.   

  

Now his wife pulled a knife on my dauther and the charges are only misdemeanors.  The childrens father is trying to get the no-contact order taken off his wife and trying to provoke the children.  I feel as if we have no protection and the courts seem more of a hinderance than a help.  What does a parent do?  I have contacted everyone I could think of to help my family out, including the Dr. Phil show, and I can't seem to get any help anywhere?  Maybe we could work together, or find help with getting the help we need.  I have been contacting the House of Reps in my state trying to get the bill on divorced parents and childrens rights changed, every state is different, but they should be similar in the basics. 

  

  

 
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January 9, 2006, 2:33 pm PST

Fed Up

I am married to a wonderful man with two girls. His ex-wife does everything in her power to prevent him from seeing his children. Even tries to prevent him from seeing them on his court appointed weekends. He pays he good money every month to support the children and they don't have proper clothing, shoes, etc...  Her live in boyfriend of the last 3 years bosses her and the kids. He has a big hand in not letting the children come any extra to see their father. My husband has only missed one time in the last 4 years getting his children on his weekends and that was when we got married. We want to fight for custody but a lawyer has told us unless they are being severely neglected, abused, etc... its basically not worth it.  The girls are 13 and 8. They both had a very tight bond with their dad before the divorce and still do. They really want to live with us but are scared to tell their mom and to stand up for what they want. Their mother has never been what she should be as a mother and example.  She is very immature and only cares about using the kids to hurt my husband. She doesn't care that she hurts the children. To me the court should see this and to know that she doesn't have their best interest at heart.
 
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January 9, 2006, 2:38 pm PST

A little bit of everything

I have twin boys with my ex boyfriend.  The relationship went bad as soon as we found out I was pregnant.  I cared about him and wanted to work things out.  He was a recovering alcoholic.  He was in the AA meetings, counseling and more counseling.  I thought that was a plus and it would help.  He is a very selfish man, controlling and mentally abusive.  I tolerated it for four years.  I threw him out one time.  He told me things would be different.  I gave him another try out of desperation for a babysitter I wouldn't have to pay.  He stayed and watched the kids during the day for a few months while I worked.  Then he got a job and that was the end of that.  Barely got any financial help from him, he did not want to keep the kids for me while I ran to the store or for anything.  He did not drink but instead on going to the bars.  About two years ago his probation was over and he was a free man.  His trips to the bar became longer and more frequent.  He was drinking again.  I tolerated it because of the kids.  I wanted to try to make things work for them to have both parents.  A year ago I threw him out and told him not to come back.  We went to court to establish paternity when they was young and I waived the child support at that time cause we was together.  He has threatened to take the boys and not come back.  He has threatened to take me to court for full custody of them.  He don't even take the visitation giving to him by the state.  I have to call him and ask him if he wants them.  Then when he agrees to it, he calls an hour or so before they are to come over and makes up some excuse it is not a good time.  Or he likes to fight with me on the phone and ends up not wanting the boys cause of me.  I have repeatedly tried to keep him in their life and I feel like I am fighting a useless cause.  He has not giving me any child support and I have not taken him to court for it cause he is not working.  He already don't take the visitation he is entitled to.  I am getting fed up.  This last weekend he was to take them, they ended up not going cause he wanted to argue with me about brining them over and he is not there. I asked if he still wanted them and no answer so I hung up on him.  he called later that evening wanting to talk to me so he could have the boys Saturday.  I have not returned his call. 

I am so fed up with him, I have no desire to call him or contact him in anyway.  I want the boys to have their dad,but if he has no interest in them, then I don't think I have anything to say to him.  The last thing I told him is to take me to court.  He has no job.  No drivers license,  Lives with his brother, and is drinking again.  The way I see it if he cared, he would be here that one  day a week for 3 hours to take them out.  He would be here every other weekend to see them.  He would have a job to support them, and stop drinking cause its all about responsibility.   

Maybe I am wrong.  I have had the same job for 13 years.  I am buying a house.  I have no criminal past.  I am even going back to school for a better career.  If he even thought of taking me to court, he would be laughed at.  No matter how much money he would or wouldn't have for a lawyer. 

I have had many people give advise and most say just take him for child support.  The problem I have with that is it is more fuel for him to feed on and I am tired of him letting the kids down.  They think they are getting to see daddy and they don't.  I end up being the bad person when in reality I am not.  They are only 4 and I am totally lost.  I just assume setting back and letting him make the next move. 

  

Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I don't know what to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 
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January 9, 2006, 2:46 pm PST

custody battles being a step parent

I am a mom of 1, step mom of 2 boys ages 7 and 6. Several years ago, we were concerned for the children's well-being and fought for custody. Through mediation, we received "principal physical" custody of the boys having them Sunday night through Friday afternoon. When the boys are at their mom's house on the weekends, they rarely receive baths, are left outside unattended, never brush their teeth, and sometimes don't have enough to eat. I am a stay at home mom with these 2 boys as well as our daughter. I understand where Dr. Phil is coming from about the discipline, however this can not always be the case. My husband works 12 hours a day to support us, and we have never received support from the boys mother. I am the primary disciplinarian for all of the children because I am the one who spends more time with them than anyone. In our case the boys respect me for the discipline, because I am the only one who is doing so. If I didn't discipline them no one would. Not all cases of "blended families" are the same. If I was just a part-time step parent to these boys, the discipline would come  only from my husband. But I am the full time mom, and it is my duty to raise respectful, caring, well-rounded children. I am the one who gets them reay for school, prepares their meals, helps them with homework, and stays up with them all night when they are sick. More credit should be given to caring step parents!!!!!!!
 
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January 9, 2006, 2:47 pm PST

Whatchya gonna do..

I met my husband in 1995, we got married in 1997. He was in the process of going through his second divorce. His ex now has 4 children from 3 men, my husband is father to 1, a son who will be 14 this summer. After they seperated he did not get to see his son for almost a year even though they lived only 6 miles apart. So off we went to court where I helped him get his visitation, every other weekend, every other holiday, his birthday and they split the child's birthday and Christmas. From the beginning the trouble began, she made plans when it was the fathers' holiday the first thanksgiving. A big crying fit ensued. I refused to let my husband back down and give in to her, it was his weekend. She met a new guy and needed to switch weekends due to his work schedule, unfortunately she forgot to check the calender and see that Christmas was on a Saturday that year and because of HER wanting to switch, it became my husbands weekend. Another crying fit from good old Mom. She would time and time again bring a hysterical child for his summer visit, having tortured him with threats of "going to live with your Dad" if he didn't do exactly as she wanted. We are talking about a little boy at that time, aged 4 to 9. In 2002 my husband and I moved to Tennessee. He went to court and asked for 10 weeks in the summer, she said that was too long so he got 5 weeks. The first year she requested that we keep him for 8 weeks, which we did. My husband is currently on disability so she recieves a monthly check from SSI for the child. So now that child support is no longer an issue, she makes no effort to be friendly or even civil. This is a college educated woman with a good job, but for some reason she can't keep a phone turned on. We haven't recieved any school information until this year when my husband finally got the school to cooperate and send stuff. The boy has been failing math for the last 4 years because he needed glasses, which we got last summer. Now it's a big suprise that he is doing better in school. She is always telling him that he is old enough to decide if he wants to visit or not. This is one of those women who substitutes the new man for the "Daddy" of the week, an animal I always referred to as "Uncledaddy" She did this with her 2 oldest children, the daughter has no relationship with her father, her older boy was caught with some pot when he was 13 and off he went to live with his father he barely knew. I was a single mother and will be the first to say there are many good mothers out there but there are just as many bad ones. Just as there are as many good fathers as there are bad. My only hope is that my stepson is not a stupid child, he will say his mom is crazy. So whatchya gonna do?? Just keep saying "only 4 more years" of dealing with this person and she will cease to exist as far as I am concerned. 

  

I have more custody disaster stories than I can count on both hands from various people and points of view. 

 
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