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Topic : 03/23 Nasty Custody Battles

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(Original Air Date: 01/09/06) If you’re getting a divorce, or even considering one, and you have kids, don't miss this show! Dr. Phil talks to parents who are embroiled in bitter custody battles, leaving their innocent children caught in the crossfire. Scott is tired of fighting with his ex-wife, Tiffany, over visitation of their two sons. The bickering has gotten so bad that Tiffany claims Scott spit on her during a recent encounter. Can they learn to respect each other for the sake of their kids? Plus, Angela says her ex-husband, Chris's violent past and brushes with the law have her so scared that she refuses to let him near their 7-year-old daughter. Does a man with Chris’s past deserve a second chance to be a father? Share your thoughts.

 

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January 10, 2006, 5:25 pm PST

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The only thing I have to say about custody battles....Grow up and quit using kids as pawns!   

  

They are children and were never asked to be brought into this world for anyone to make someone else miserable.  If you're getting divorced, fine.  But what right does anyone have to drag the child/ren with you.  If you don't get along, either learn to or get some really good acting lessons.  Whether you like it or not, you will always have a tie to one another because of the children.  And if you really want what's best for them, knock it off already!  They need both parents, whether you like it or not. 

  

 
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January 10, 2006, 8:03 pm PST

Step-parents...to discipine or not to discipline

I'm hoping that I've misinterpreted what Dr. Phil said about step-parents "butting out" of the discipline process.  Surely that comment was not meant to give all step-children license to ignore a step-parent's reprimand or correction just because the biological parent isn't present  at the moment to enforce it (?).   That's the scariest thing I've ever heard when it comes to maintaining established rules and accountability for actions in a blended family.  Tiffany applauded when Dr. Phil said that, as if she would be running right home to tell her children that they no longer had to "mind" the house rules or an established respectful parenting process... if it happened to be Kimmy who was doing the "parenting."   If we are talking about a proposed punishment being a major deviation from rules or parenting guidelines established by the spouse (kids' parent in that household), I can understand that.  But it seems that if Dad counsels that certain behavior in the home and towards others is established, the step-parent should have the authority to remind children of those rules and enforce them in absence of the parent.  I know some blended families that would long since have disintegrated if the step-parent had not been able to discipline and expect the same behavior and respect as the biological parent does.  A blended family often has both kids and step-kids.  Does this mean that a step-parent can only discipline their biological child and not the half-brother or half-sister when both children were engaged in the same bad behavior?   That would result in a nation full of step-kids running amok in the house, in the neighborhood, and in some cases putting themselves at physical risk.  So, if the "butt-out" statement was meant to give kids license to ignore their step-parent and to keep a step-parent, like Kimmy, from disciplining kids consistent with the wishes of the spouse parent in that home, them shame on Dr. Phil.  If not, then someone better be sure and clue Tiffany in about the intent of that statement.  She appeared clueless throughout the show, unless it was to talk about how SHE had allegedly been "wronged" by new wife.  For her the show wasn't about the kids... it was definitely about her.  The tears would have been a bit more believable if she had turned them on while talking about the kids instead of as punctuation to a monologue loaded with "me, me, me and I, I, I."  
 
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January 10, 2006, 8:15 pm PST

Angela - Chris - Natsy Custody Battles

Is Angela okay?  I feared for her after the show.  I'm assuming that the show was recorded a few months ago.   Did she move our have her daughter change schools.  I felt sorry from Chris. Although, he brought all of it on himself.  Any updates on them?   The look in his eyes brought back a  lot of old feelings and fears I had. 

I was married to someone like Chris when I was was very young.   We  lived in a small town in Wyoming, Rawlins.  This was 6 or 7 hours from anyone that knew and cared anything about me I was 17 at the time.  We had 2 little boys, a dog and a cat.   When something or someone made my ex-husband angry he would go for the animals first and then me.  He had poured boiling water on the cat that had ran away from and was trapped between the cupboard and the stove and alway threatened to kill my dog.  The dog came up missing one afternoon, I didn't want to know what had happened.   

I finally gathered up the courage to get him to leave after he slapped our 7 month old son, leaving a hand print  across his face.  I was lucky at that time he was also sleeping with one of my best friends.  They had planned on running off to be together. Getting him to pack his bags and leave without killing us was surprisingly easy.  I felt every bit of Angela's fear.  I remember being afraid of anger.     

Lucky,  for us he was a dead beat Dad.  He has done so many drugs and spent so much time in prison he's waisting away to nothing.  My sons are now 25 and 24.  They're the greatest.  My oldest son is a father of a 2 year old son with another one on the way. My 24 year old son is becoming a tinner and also going to school.  His wife will graduate from dental hygienist in May of this year.   I also had a daughter that is now 23. She has been living in her home that she is purchasing for 4 years and is planning on getting married next year.  Times were extremely  hard. I made a lot of mistakes.  My children have seem to have learned from mine.   We made it !!!   I'm very proud of everyone of them.        

 
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January 10, 2006, 8:24 pm PST

I am sorry you didn't get the full story.

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The only time that I have ever been in jail was two years ago. That was for nine days over some silly issue with another mental health worker. Some of the things that we said about me in court were real hurtful. It was up to me to proove to everyone involved in the legal process that I am a pleasant human being. Using my own history as a measurement, I can immediately tell whether somebody has a problem with their anger or not. What I saw in Chris was sheer rage. He is in no condition to come even close to his younger daughter. It is obvious that he can not be trusted, especially considering that this man actually paralysed somebody else with a deadly weapon. I feel bad for Angela, having being a victim of Chris' rage attacks. Domestic violence should not be tolerated in our society. I like Dr. Phil's quote when he says that, "The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior."        Chris, please do Angela and her child a favour and stay out of their family's life. If you really want a second chance, then go proove it to some other woman. Angela is far too traumatized to deal with this. That's all I've got to say with what I saw.

I don't feel I was in full rage mode when the show was taped. I was angry. I wish I could respond to everyone who believes that I every struck Angela in a fight or in a rage. I just want you to know that I never hit her. I have been going to my theapy as scheduled and I have made myself available to have supervised visits with my daughter. Since the the taping of the show 9 visits have been scheduled to see her they have cancelled on 4 of the visits. This inconsistancy on her behalf  disappoints my daughter, which in return frustrates me. I feel helpless in these situations. I do get angry at Angela because of her lies and exagerations of the truth. With this therapy I am learning to communicate my frustrations in a less agressive intimidating way. I can't change the past. But I certainly can learn from it. I would like it to be known that I was attacked by several people at a party nearly thirteen years ago.  I was being held by someone while others were punching me. During the scuffle I grabbed a knife off of the counter and used it to (what seemed to me) reasonably defend myself. As a result a man was paralyzed. I can't take it back. I wasn't a father or a husband back then. I want the best for my future. I am in society and I don't feel my debt to it is complete. I am sorry that I cannot be the dead beat dad that you asked me to be. I owe it to my daughter to make myself available to advise that would make me a better person, father, and even a better neighbor. I believe in change. Good things about Chris that weren't on the show. I am in my third year of college-seeking a degree in Psychology,  pay child support, obey the laws, coach for kids soccer, have a home available for my children,  and work.  In some eyes this may not be enough. I am open to any advise or encouragement that all have. And will glady answer questions. Thank you for your time. 

 
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January 10, 2006, 9:24 pm PST

We need Family Court reform

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The only thing I have to say about custody battles....Grow up and quit using kids as pawns!   

  

They are children and were never asked to be brought into this world for anyone to make someone else miserable.  If you're getting divorced, fine.  But what right does anyone have to drag the child/ren with you.  If you don't get along, either learn to or get some really good acting lessons.  Whether you like it or not, you will always have a tie to one another because of the children.  And if you really want what's best for them, knock it off already!  They need both parents, whether you like it or not. 

  

Children are the innocent victims in Family Court matters. 

  

The mother of my granddaughter has used and abused the Family Court system and has gotten away with her bad behavior.  She doesn't take seriously what the Judge or Court Commisioner says. 

  

The mother has been found in contempt 5 times.     Each and every time she has been found in contempt the court, the court sentenced her to jail but stayed (put on hold) that sentence and given her the option of purging the jail sentence.    Every time, she has failed to purge and has been brought back into court and the court has given her one more change. 

  

The mother refuses to cooperate with telephone calls.    She failed mediation.    She refuses to attend co-parent communicaiton counseling.     

  

Dr. Phil is correct.    If this mother doesn't change her behavior, sooner or later, our granddaughter will resent her because she has denied her a relationship with her father. 

 
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January 10, 2006, 10:07 pm PST

Certainly.......

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Care to explain why  "any good mother" teaches children to be afraid of men??

Are you familiar with the Jessica Lunsford and Carly Bruschia cases in Florida?  In my opinion a good mother warns her child of impending danger involving male or female.  Now don't you think that is reasonable?  And you have to admit that those two horrific cases DO involve men as the perpetrators and murderers. 

 
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January 10, 2006, 11:50 pm PST

Good topic; DR. Phil and Robin

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January 11, 2006, 1:02 am PST

Good Topic;Robyn and Dr. Phil

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January 11, 2006, 4:19 am PST

01/09 Nasty Custody Battles

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 Where did you read that??! Did you just make that up??! It sure sounds like you did!! First of all, if you really had looked at all the statistics on this you would realize that what you said is so completely untrue, especially in the US. Second of all, this is NOT about statistics! Children have ALWAYS needed both parents in their lives or atleast a good mother and father figure! Why dont you take some time to read (and I mean really read, not make something up again) about kids who grew up having no mother figure in their lives and see where that takes you! WOW....and I really thought I had heard all the dumbest things people had to say in the world!

Actually, fathers did get custody of the children at one time.  It was called "head of household".  It was who could financially support the children.  We all know how child support goes in this country, and this is why.  God forbid, that the woman actually helps support her children.  They now ask the father if he plans on getting a better job so he can give more money to the ex! 

  

 

 

  

 

http://nccanch.acf.hhs.gov/pubs/factsheets/fatality.cfm

  

 

 

  

 

Andrea Yates, Marilyn Lemak, ring any bells? 

The following women are currently on death row for killing their children:

  

 

 

  

 

Patricia Blackmon was 29 years old when she killed her two-year-old adopted daughter in Dothan, AL in May 1999.

  

 

Debra Jean Milke was 25 when she killer her four-year-old son in Arizona in 1989.

  

 

Dora Luz Durenrostro killed her two daughters, age four and nine, and her son, age 8, when she was 34 years old in San Jacinto, California in 1994.

  

 

Caro Socorro was 42 years old when she killer her three sons, age five, eight and 11, in Santa Rosa Valley, California in 1999.

  

 

Susan Eubanks murdered her four sons, ages four, six, seven, and 14, in San Marcos, California, in 1996 when she was 33.

  

 

Caroline Young was 49 in Haywood, California when she killed her four-year-old granddaughter and six-year-old grandson.

  

 

Robin Lee Row was 35 years old when she killed her husband, her 10-year-old son and her eight-year-old daughter in Boise, Idaho in 1992.

  

 

Michelle Sue Tharp was 29 years old in Burgettstown, Pennsylvania when she killed her seven-year-old daughter.

  

 

Franic Elaine Newton was 21 when she murdered her husband, seven-year-old son and two-year-old daughter in Houston, Texas.

  

 

Darlie Lynn Routier was 26 in Rowlett, Texas when she killed her five-year-old son.

  

 

Teresa Michelle Lewis killer her 51-year-old husband and 26-year-old step son in Keeling, Virgina when she was 33 years old.  

 

  

 

http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm

  

 

 

  

 

  

 
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January 11, 2006, 6:23 am PST

Anatomy Of A Divorce

This is how family law fails to protect the parent child relationship/bonds.  This can happen to any American parent unfortunate enough to be faced with a no fault divorce.  Bob and Carol were married 10 years, lived in a middle class neighborhood and had two lovely children.  Both had good jobs and the children attend neighborhood schools where they are straight A students.  Both parents are involved in their children's schools and after school sports activities.  One day Carol announces to Bob that she doesn't love him anymore and wants a divorce.  Bob tries to talk to Carol about this but she runs from the room crying.  The next day Bob is served with divorce papers.  That evening at dinner he confronts Carol and asks why she wants a divorce.  Again she flees the room in tears.  The next day Bob is served with an injunction for protection against violence.  When he tries to ask carol about it she cries and says stop it you are scaring me!  They both appear at the injunction hearing and the injunction for protection is given to Carol even though there is no evidence that Bob was ever a violent person!  Bob has 24 hours to pack his things and vacate his home.  As he packs his bags the children watch silently.  "Where are you going daddy" they ask?  "Daddy has to go away for a while, but I will come see you soon ok"?  "I love you".  Bob is holding back the tears trying not to show how devestated he is in front of his children.  Suitcase in hand he heads out the door to his car, put the cases in and drives away from his family, his home and his life, all against his will and all without having done anything wrong.  A few weeks later Bob receives a letter from an attorney.  Its Carol's attorney and it is a notice to appear at a hearing.  At the hearing Bob is shocked to hear Carol tell how he abused her and the children.  The judge orders that Carol have temp custody of the children and temp use of the family home and that Bob must pay temp alimoney and child support in the amount of $1,700.00 a month.  Bob earns $3,000.00 a month so this leaves him very little money for him to live decently himself.  The judge gives Bob supervised visitation once a week at a family center for which he must pay 60.00 for the service.  He arrives for the visit with his children in a little room with some toys a table.  There is a two way mirror with a woman on the other side watching and listening to all that is said.  Bob feels like a deviant.  He hold back tears and hugs his children as they run into his arms so glad to see daddy!  Having little money and not wanting to put his children through a nasty custody battle Bob decides to not fight for custody.  At the final hearing he is granted visitation on wednesdays from 3pm til 7pm, every other weekend, half summer holidays, half christmas holidays and every other spring break.  He is also to continue paying his ex wife Carol $1,700.00 dollars a month.  She retains exclusive use of the home until the youngest child now 6 years old turns 18.  Though not happy with being reduced to a part time parent Bob never misses a visitation with his children.  About six months after the divorce Carol is dating another man.  Six months later she informs Bob that she and the children are moving to Alaska with her soon to be new husband.  She tells Bob he can still have the children for spring break and half the holidays but he has to pay their travel expenses.  The day of departure Bob arrives at the airpost to say goodbye to his children, again holding back the tears and pain he is feeling so as not to upset the children.  As the flight is called he hugs his children and tells them he will call them every week and write letters and soon it will be time for them to come to visit him at christmas.  "Ok, come on kids we have to hurry" Carol says.   As Carol, the kids and her new husband  walk to the gate to catch their flight,  Bob feels alone in the  busy airport as he watches his children skipping along with their mom and stepdad.  The children turn one last time to wave and his daughter blows him a kiss and says "Bye, I love you daddy"! 
 
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