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(Original Air Date: 01/10/06) Whether from personal guilt or family pressure, many couples rush to the altar – and regret it later. Heather and Jeff were virgins when they started dating. After their relationship started heating up and the two became intimate, Heather feared judgment from her minister father and ran down the aisle. Now their house is filled with resentment. Why is she disappointed with Jeff, and is there hope for their future? Next, Michelle said she had doubts about marrying Steve during her walk down the aisle. Now, nine years later, what is behind the overwhelming conflict in their marriage? Plus, meet two best friends who are plotting to make sure their kids get married. What do the teens think? Whether you're planning a black-tie affair or eloping to Sin City, don't miss what Dr. Phil says you need to know, consider and plan for when making a lifetime commitment. Join the discussion.

 

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June 20, 2006, 10:31 am PDT

You are the exception

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I was 29 when I married. why older? Because before my hubby came along, no one else was good enough! He won my heart in ways that no other ever could and 13 years later, he still wins my heart.................I kept my self honest and pure and accepted myself for who I was and appreciated the fact that I was/am my own individual and when one does this, their self image is a good one and believe me, waiting til the right one comes and knowing without a doubt that they are the one and understanding the real truth that marriage is a life time committement and takes two loving and supportive people to make it happy and successful, no regrets here on waiting and becasue of the fact that I waited, I am happily married and fullfilled with two beautiful little girls............I would encourage every one to follow your hearts and do what is right, know that you are in love with each other and are willing to work together and honest and true, marriage is awesome for those who are in it for the right reasons, the wait can be well worth it.
That's great for you.  However, people have bought into the "have fun by having sex with the phonebook now and find a mate later." 
 
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June 20, 2006, 10:37 am PDT

Young People Live Your dreams

 
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June 20, 2006, 11:09 am PDT

Young People Live Your dreams

It was always my dream to go to college.  I would become a successful journalist, fall in love, marry, have children and live a happy life.  Things changed, people changed and the dream-killers came after me.  I was to naive to run because I thought they loved me and wanted me to be happy.  They changed my story.  I was pressured into a marriage that should have never been and wasn't after only two years.  I was broken and didn't know how to fix myself.  Someone took me under their wing.  I've come full circle, I'm like a forty-year-old in a twenty-year-old body, starting over.  Let the young people have their dreams, support them as much as you can then let go.  Don't push them out into a world that their not ready for and cause them to fail.  Trust them, believe in them and watch them evolve into something beautiful.
 
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June 20, 2006, 11:25 am PDT

We are not wild animals

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now a days we are lost..in the maze of modernism...and modern women...in olden days  love use to blossom after marriage...............there use to be that element  of surprise  curiostiy  anticipation ..but now adays    the feelings of  lust, teenage infatuation and peer pressure to be in love or to be in a relationship  pushes man and women to make  wrong choices..... 

 

We in india were  use to have arranged marriages  ..yet our culture was very sexually active...  We gave world  kamasutra..... becuase then expression of and talking sex was not tabooed....but was encouraged..now boys and girls attain puberty without knowing  what is it and how to react....the age old practice of getting married on puberty ...was safe and sound practice.....thats why till today in many culture  attaianing puberty for a girl is celebrated in a big way..... 

in modern society  we dont let our children   marry at the tender age of 14-18  when the biological clock  is ready sexually.....and moreover we expect them to remain virgin..till they get married.....sometime which is  for next 10-15 years... 

the thing is we have to understand...even though human brain has developd and we have reached the moon...basicaly we are also  part of the animal kingdon..and we still have the same animal instinct...as  any other animal....and no mater how much we try to confine ourself to the so called law of the society.....our animal instinct and beahaviour takes over...we are no different  from any lion tiger or a bison  we still have the same desires....and we still fight for our mate and at times competion gets  violent... 

 

modern women needs to understand  ..for man it is very difficult to remain faithfull and pure  in body and in mind......what the women expects now days it is against mans nature..it is like training the lion to eat grass  thats  what society is doing  taming a wild animal.. 

i am sure  the most faithful man in the world also looks at passing womens  ooozing breast...bulging  back side...and thinks wow what a sight.... ....if only i can have sex with her once...... because for men sex is a phycsical requirement....but for a women it is emotional..men canstill ove his wife very much and still have sex wiht another women....and not feel guilty....it is in his genes.....i mean no disrespect to women....but  thats how we are made..where as women needs to be emotionally involved  to have sex with a man... 

 

 

Since you come from an entirely different culture I am going to cut you some slack and not say half of what I would like to say about the ridiculous opinions you shared here.   

 

We humans may be part of the animal kingdom, but God gave us something he didn't give any other species - a conscience and the free will to make our own choices and decisions.  These things have elevated us well beyond any "animal instincts and behavior".    There is no excuse for a man to behave like a rooster in a hen house - none whatsoever.  If you want that level of intelligence perhaps you can try to come back in your next life as a rooster, bull or gorilla alpha male. 

 

Yes, I will agree for most men sex is a physical thing whereas for most women it is an emotional thing, but not always!   However, that in no way excuses a man from the responsibility he has to his wife to remain faithful to the committment he made to her the day they married.   

 

You sound very young to me.  Hopefully you will reach a point in your emotional maturity that you will begin to understand that while you may feel excitement when you look at a woman besides your wife, you have the ability and responsibility to make the kind of choices an honorable man makes.  Develop yourself beyond your juvenille impulses and become a man of integrity  - or just don't get married

 
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June 20, 2006, 12:50 pm PDT

06/19 Pressured Into Marriage

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That's great for you.  However, people have bought into the "have fun by having sex with the phonebook now and find a mate later." 
Well, in my opinion, those type of people are absolutely clueless when it comes to love and respect and not just forothers but for themselves as well..........I think the first step in loving some one else and able to respect another is to love and respect self, to accept oneself as we are and know what we are and who we are and striving to be the best that we can possibly be.....Ipersonally have had my share of ups and downs in this life including being a part of an abusive family life growing up but thankfully I did have a few good role models and some one to help lead me and I was able to get the help that I needed and the first step for me was trusting and believing in the God that I serve, my whole focus in life was to discover ME and to follow the will of God, not always easy but certainly worth it and today, I have no regrets............Marriage is a lifetime committment and needs to be put on hold until two people are serious about their love and role as spouses and at the same time understand that each one is an individual and must be respected and again, the first step is to love and respect one self................
 
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June 20, 2006, 1:42 pm PDT

Why don't more

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Well, in my opinion, those type of people are absolutely clueless when it comes to love and respect and not just forothers but for themselves as well..........I think the first step in loving some one else and able to respect another is to love and respect self, to accept oneself as we are and know what we are and who we are and striving to be the best that we can possibly be.....Ipersonally have had my share of ups and downs in this life including being a part of an abusive family life growing up but thankfully I did have a few good role models and some one to help lead me and I was able to get the help that I needed and the first step for me was trusting and believing in the God that I serve, my whole focus in life was to discover ME and to follow the will of God, not always easy but certainly worth it and today, I have no regrets............Marriage is a lifetime committment and needs to be put on hold until two people are serious about their love and role as spouses and at the same time understand that each one is an individual and must be respected and again, the first step is to love and respect one self................

Why don't more American women think like you?  I agree with everything you have said except for the spiritual aspect.   

  

Christianity made me suicidal and my heavy metal albums (namely everything from Kiss, Black Sabbath, Ozzy and Dio) kept me alive. 

  

In fact, it was girls from my Christian school who first showed me not to trust females when they teased me.  They first said they wanted me as a boyfriend and then said they were just kidding.  As you might guess, this has stayed with me, and I find I can't fully trust women. 

  

Here's the funny part: while my parents' pastor told my mother he had no time to talk to me, Gene Simmons of Kiss took twenty minutes of his time to speak with me about the hard times I went through 20 to 25 years ago. 

  

Pretty sad, huh? 

 
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June 20, 2006, 1:43 pm PDT

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Well, in my opinion, those type of people are absolutely clueless when it comes to love and respect and not just forothers but for themselves as well..........I think the first step in loving some one else and able to respect another is to love and respect self, to accept oneself as we are and know what we are and who we are and striving to be the best that we can possibly be.....Ipersonally have had my share of ups and downs in this life including being a part of an abusive family life growing up but thankfully I did have a few good role models and some one to help lead me and I was able to get the help that I needed and the first step for me was trusting and believing in the God that I serve, my whole focus in life was to discover ME and to follow the will of God, not always easy but certainly worth it and today, I have no regrets............Marriage is a lifetime committment and needs to be put on hold until two people are serious about their love and role as spouses and at the same time understand that each one is an individual and must be respected and again, the first step is to love and respect one self................

Why don't more American women think like you?  I agree with everything you have said except for the spiritual aspect.   

  

Christianity made me suicidal and my heavy metal albums (namely everything from Kiss, Black Sabbath, Ozzy and Dio) kept me alive. 

  

In fact, it was girls from my Christian school who first showed me not to trust females when they teased me.  They first said they wanted me as a boyfriend and then said they were just kidding.  As you might guess, this has stayed with me, and I find I can't fully trust women. 

  

Here's the funny part: while my parents' pastor told my mother he had no time to talk to me, Gene Simmons of Kiss took twenty minutes of his time to speak with me about the hard times I went through 20 to 25 years ago. 

  

Pretty sad, huh? 

 
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June 20, 2006, 1:45 pm PDT

Good luck

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Hi everyone!  I did watch the show today and I am wondering if I am being selfish in 'pressuring' my boyfriend of three years into marring me.  We are both very religious and devout Christians with undergrad degrees.  He in on the verge of launching his internet business and I will be attending Grad school.   The thing is, I am 27 and he is 24.  The age difference is killing me in that I am ready to make the next step because I am getting older and older.  He isn’t because he thinks he is too young, inexperienced (this is his first serious relationship – my second).  He wants us to be able to communicate better with each other and be somewhat financially set (and I agree) and he does not want to make the mistake of jumping into it too soon (his parents got married young but they are still together enjoying and supporting each other).  His knowledge of marriage from his youth is positive, soI don’t know what the problem is.  He has told me a couple of times that he will marry me some time in the future.  But when?  ...nobody knows!!!  I make many statements like..."Yeah in 10 years when I'm almost 40" ... and that ticks him off every time.  I remind him that women stand a risk of having children with birth defects when trying to have kids from age 35 and older.  He comes back at me with..."Where is your faith in believing that God will see us through any difficulty we face; as long as we stay by each others side."  I mean I am tired of putting my desires on the side.  I am being impatient with God but I think we will be fine if we were to go on ahead and get married.

  

 

  

 

 I tell him about my ultimate desire to have a happy family of my own (which  he also would like inthe distant future) and of my concerns of taking that next step, but he keeps saying that he needs some assurance from God in order to do that.  I agree since we are strong believers in the guidance of God in our lives; but I am beginning to feel that he is just hiding behind that to avoid such prolonged discussion.   For the Christians out there, I do believe that when the time is right, we will know through His (God's) guidance in our life development...like having a solid relationship with God to begin with...then with each other...some financial security...trust...honesty...open communication...respect....and most of all, the solid understanding that once we make our minds up to get married we are in this for the long haul...100% willing to work on keeping our relationship firm.  And this we must do all the time so that we can work things out and still value each other at the end of the day.  Also, I feel that I cannot express my complete love for him because we are celibate and choose not to make love until we are married.  (And that Is killing me!!!)

  

 

  

 

Well, as it stands, I find that for the past 3 or 4 months I do not relate to him like I sued to because of my disappointment in our slow moving relationship.  I am not as open, loving, compassionate, or engaging as I used to be.  It seem as if the spark in our relationship is gone.  (And we are not even married yet!!!)   There is an obvious wedge between us since we could be in the same room and not even say much to each other.  I guess I have been giving him the silent treatment almost every day (like I sometimes do when I am mad at him.  Probably because I don’t like the fact that he is not doing what I want him to do.  He usually lets me have my own way in other matters if I beg him long enough.  But with this he is firm.  He is very extreme when it comes to being prudent.  He really takes the cake.  It took him seven months before he could say “I live you” because he wanted to be sure of his feelings for me before just saying it without truly meaning it.  If that took him so long, how long will it take him to say “I do”?  (Sorry for posting such a long one!)
Good luck to you.  Hope you get married soon.
 
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June 20, 2006, 2:56 pm PDT

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Why don't more American women think like you?  I agree with everything you have said except for the spiritual aspect.   

  

Christianity made me suicidal and my heavy metal albums (namely everything from Kiss, Black Sabbath, Ozzy and Dio) kept me alive. 

  

In fact, it was girls from my Christian school who first showed me not to trust females when they teased me.  They first said they wanted me as a boyfriend and then said they were just kidding.  As you might guess, this has stayed with me, and I find I can't fully trust women. 

  

Here's the funny part: while my parents' pastor told my mother he had no time to talk to me, Gene Simmons of Kiss took twenty minutes of his time to speak with me about the hard times I went through 20 to 25 years ago. 

  

Pretty sad, huh? 

Unfortuanelty, not all good experiences come from church and to me that is sad, I have always had great experiences and relationships within the church. Yes, there have been a few, I have wondeered about but theya re accountable to God and not me, and thatis how I feel about myself, I am not accountable to any one but God whenit comes to my spirituality and it is HE who I need to please and of course by following Him, I have learned how to love, respect and to honor others, no human being on this earth is perfect and all of us have failed ourselves as well as others...........Also, you have to realize that Christianity is basically about a relationship with God and one with a true and healthy relationship with Him will understand how to live the Christian life which is basically to be Christlike but unfortuanetly many fail at that, all of us do at times for like I said none of us are perfect.................And as fara s the girls from your school, just becuase a kid goes to a CHristian school does not make them a Christian, just the same as every one who walks into a church service are not Christians, it's about a relationship and our acceptance of it.....Any way, by reading your posts, you tend to be a very negative person and really, I would think that would be a waste of time,Don't look at what others are doing or how they have hurt you, love yourself and be all that you are meant to be and believe me, it can make a world of difference.
 
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June 20, 2006, 9:02 pm PDT

Want to get married soon!

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I basically went throught he exact same thing as you. I am 3 years older then my hubby as well, he was 26 and I was 29 when we married. I know exactly how you feel...........I knew in a short time of dating that this was the man I was goingt o marry and be with for the rest of my life, he knew it as well but tooka little elonger to figure it out,LOL...........We too are Christians and did have sexual realaionship til we were married and though we wanted to be togehter in that way, we knew it would be sin for we are 100% into trying to do things God's way of course, this isn't always easy when those strong feelings are ther and you truly love each other it s a natural and normal feeling and absolutely nothing wrong with them.........My now hubby wasn't in too much of arush at time tog et married but it came to the point where I realized that we needed to get married or call it quits...........I came to the place of talking with him and we talked about goals and committment and we even talked about our fears and whatever else we could think of and as we were talking and being honest with one another, I had to tell him that the feelings that I had for him were really strong and if we could not at least start making plans then we would have to split up for I wanted to do things right..........Now, I wasn't asking to get married tomorrow but to start making plans and working towards the goal of marriage, with doing that, it would give me the stability that I needed in lnowing that he WANTED to take the step of marriage and that he wanted to be with me...........Well, long story short, we split up cause I told him he needed to figure out what it was that he wanted and needed in a marriage relationship and that it wasn't fair to put us into a position where we felt the urge to be together but because we wanted to do things right, we were making ourselves miserable and I didn't like that.........Of course he didn't like the idea of splitting up but he did understand what I was saying so he agreed to it, I told him that I would not be the one to approach him casue I already knew what I wanted, it was he that needed the time to think and it was he who needed to approach me when he sorted things out............The split was short but it seemed like eternity. During this process, Iw as able to think through what It was that I needed and wanted and to also sort out some goals and thoughts, I was a little scared that it wouldn't work out but I was preparing myself the best that I could..............When he did approach me, we talked and he was able to share some thoughts and one of those thoughts was the fact that becasue his mom died when he was only 8, he had fears that we would bring kids into the world and he or I would be a single parent, well, Of course I realize that it could happen but I made it clear that we can't live in fear...............your fiancee might be having thoughts that you are not a ware of and remember males and females are so different when it comes to the thought processs, we think differnetly ad we do things differently, the key is communication and trust, being open and honest and respecting one another..............Myhusband and I were engaged the night we got back togehrter and were married a year later and after over 13 years of marriage, we are still happily married with no regrets............................As far as kids go, if it is meant to be, it will happen. I had my first at 37 and my youngest at 39 and they are healthy and happy little ones, I had the perfect pregnancy with my oldest, and though the delivery was a little complicated, it had nothing to do with my age, it had to do with the cord being tied in a knot and around her neck, My little one was breeze.....As a Christian, I say pray and trust God and allow Him to lead you and at the same time, stand up for your self and do not allow yourself to be in a position that will cause you to do something that you are against, Communicate and trust one another, try to come up with a compromise, for me, just knowing that he WANTED to marry me was a plus and helped me through that year..................Follow your heart and pray for God's will, not yours.

Thanks sooo much for responding.  It makes all the difference to know that someone has felt the way I do now; worked it out, and has no regrets.  It does give me some extra courage to go through this with him.  We are truly in love with each other, although we know about all the 'bad' traits we have as individuals.  We accept each other for who we are , yet encourage one another to be the best we can be.  He is a very loving man who is truly devoted to me, level headed, and smart.  I guess I am just ready for my natural womanly instincts to take its course.   However, I do need to pray about this some more so I can have the patience, trust, and faith that God will work things out for our best interest.  And I will be sure not to just allow  

Because I brought this topic up with him so many times he does know that it bothers me some....ok, a lot!   As a matter of fact, today he told me that he wishes he was 31; then I would be 100% happy 'cause then he would be on the same page as I am; and he would be ready to marry.  We spent the afternoon together at my place, and while we were talking a bit more about relationships, he mentioned the need to have a relationship which must be grounded by pillars like four legs of a chair....one representing sexual intimacy, the other .....such and such,  the third...so and so;  and the fourth...such and such...(I really can't remember what he had said)  But we both just stated laughing out loud...   Cause I realized that he saw the Dr. Phil show and he was trying to quote what Dr. Phil had said about he chir with 4 legs.  (He had asked me earlier this morning if I saw yesterdays show & I told him yes.....why?  His reply was...he was just curious!!)   Anyway I asked him how much of the show he saw, he said just a small portion of it cause he was busy doing other stuff so he did not see how it ended.  I told him when I saw the topic I was trying to instant message him so he can tune in to watch.  That way I could show him that I am not as bad as some other women who are pressuring their significant other to marry them!  (LOL  He never did respond to my IM during the airing of the show.)   

Anyhow, he does feel the desire to get married but just not any time soon.  And I do believe that it will happen some day.  I hope you are still a member of this website so I can look you up and tell you how this all ended up....like, 10 years from now!!   Just kidding!!!  Thanks again for your advice.  God bless! 

  

 
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