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Created on : Friday, January 06, 2006, 01:45:12 pm
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(Original Air Date: 01/11/06) She used to have it all: A husband, a beautiful home, a great job and many friends. But a crippling alcohol addiction for the past 10 years has turned Lisa’s dream life into a nightmare. One step away from being homeless, Lisa trades sexual favors for alcohol just to get through the day. Joani, a recovering addict who's been trying to help, records Lisa's debilitating addiction and the disturbing symptoms of withdrawal when she tries to go without a drink. Lisa has failed in rehab three times and is ready to give up on life. Can Dr. Phil convince her to give it one more try? Talk about the show here.

 

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March 26, 2006, 6:24 pm CST

LIFE ON THE EDGE!!!!!!!!

LISA , YOUR VERY YOUNG AND YOU HAVE YOUR WHOLE LIFE AHEAD OF YOU STOP KILLING YOURSELF , THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO LIFE THAN BEING BUZZED UP! 

GETTING HELP IS YOUR FIRST STEP. AND AS FAR AS YOUR MOTHER NOT WANTTING TO TAKE YOU IN IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT SHE HAS TRIED TO HELP YOU MANY TIMES BEFORE THIS AND YOU DID NOT SUCCEED, THIS IS CALLED "TOUGH LOVE" AND SOMETIMES A MOTHER HAS TO BE TOUGH ON THEIR CHILDREN TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND, SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT THAT SHE DOES NOT LOVE YOU BECAUSE SHE DOES, OTHERWISE SHE WOULD'NT HAVE EVEN SHOWED UP ON THE SHOW . SO , TAKE THAT 1STSTEP , AND THATS ADMITTING THAT YOU NEED HELP.   GOOD LUCK LISA !!!!!! AND TAKE CARE. 

 
March 29, 2006, 7:11 am CST

Lisa, detach from your mother!

 Lisa's mother said she "didn't know if she had contributed" to Lisa's problems.    It's overwhelming obvious to me that Lisa's mother has been abusive, emotionally & mentally, throughout Lisa's life, and it is LISA who needs to detach from her mother.    I lived a life of hell trying to please my incredibly abusive mother whom couldn't be pleased, and who was an alcoholic all my life, and I am finally beginning to find peace now that I have detached from her.    I saw myself starting down the alcoholic road and I decided to get into counseling and read everything I could get my hands on because I didn't want to turn into someone with the same traits that I despised in my abusive mother.   I've read probably close to 30 books in the past year and BY FAR, the best was THE EMOTIONALLY ABUSED WOMAN BY BEVERLY ENGEL.    Please, please, please Lisa, decide to let go of the past and decide that your future is going to be completely different.     Enter rehab and get some counseling, read this book and you will be able to be assertive and self-preserving without the alcohol, because you will learn to let go of the bondage you've been in because of the abuse you've experienced all your life.     YOU GO GIRL!!   YOU DESERVE THE GOOD LIFE NOW.
 
March 29, 2006, 7:34 am CST

Dr. Phil completely missed the mark

On Wednesday Dr. Phil aired an episode that really pissed me off, it was titled "My Drinking is Killing Me", his guest was a 40 year old woman named Lisa who naively came on the show to seek help for an addiction to alcohol. The show starts out with a clip of Lisa going about her daily routines, it begins out in the morning with her sober, she is obviously physically addicted as she can’t stop shaking, it then fast forwards to the afternoon where Lisa is now withdrawing so bad from alcohol that she’s throwing up, she’s gets desperate for a drink and by the end of the 3 minute video Lisa is shown with a beer admitting that it takes at least 9 drinks to stop the shakes and concluding with her saying "I have sold basically everything I've owned in order to get alcohol. I've given blow-jobs for beer. I've given sex for alcohol. I recently ended up in the hospital because I contracted E. coli, because I had unprotected anal sex with a guy for booze." 

  

Having obviously just ignored Lisa’s heartbreaking plea for help Dr. Phil turns to her and asks "So what brings you here?" Lisa then recaps her story saying that she’s fearful if she doesn’t stop drinking that she will die, that she drinks up to 20 beers a day, she’s been to treatment 3 times and feels hopeless. She then admits to be drunk right then and there. It’s quite apparent by Lisa’s own admission and what was depicted on the tape that Lisa needs help for alcohol dependency but Dr. Phil can’t seem to overlook Lisa’s confession of trading sexual services for alcohol, "Are you a prostitute?" he asks. "No. I've never prostituted myself. But practically," she admits. "I've gone out with guys I wouldn't have gone out with, wouldn't have given the time of day to, because they provided me with alcohol and cigarettes and food." This to Dr. Phil seems to be a bigger issue then the drinking, as Dr. Phil goes on to say, "The fact that what you're doing just doesn't meet your definition of selling yourself tells me that you just don't value yourself enough. The fact that you would even have a conversation with somebody that you didn't want to talk to in exchange for alcohol, the fact that you would spend time with someone, that you would let them touch you in exchange for that is disgusting and I don't want you to ever do it again the rest of your life."  

What may or may not be disgusting is really in the eye of whose body it is, since this woman seemed to only engage in sex work to support her alcohol addiction I can only assume that she’s not on the show because she has a prostitution addiction that she can’t stop and sometime’s has a drink or two while she works. No. She’s on the show because she’s so addicted to alcohol and  she feels she no longer has control of her life, she can’t sustain regular employment due to her drinking, so when she’s desperate for a drink or money to buy a drink she does sex work. Most likely if she wasn’t drinking she wouldn’t be engaging in sex work. So why wasn’t Dr. (and I use the term ‘doctor’ loosely) Phil focusing on helping her obtain treatment? 

Dr. Phil asked the same question, "Why am I hitting so much on this prostitution element? I'm telling you because there is not a lower rung to go on." Oh....I see....I didn’t know prostitution was the "lowest rung", I kind of assumed thieves, child pornographers, or people who exploit other’s on talk show’s were the lowest rung.  

  

 
March 29, 2006, 12:34 pm CST

You are not alone

Quote From: free2bemee

 Lisa's mother said she "didn't know if she had contributed" to Lisa's problems.    It's overwhelming obvious to me that Lisa's mother has been abusive, emotionally & mentally, throughout Lisa's life, and it is LISA who needs to detach from her mother.    I lived a life of hell trying to please my incredibly abusive mother whom couldn't be pleased, and who was an alcoholic all my life, and I am finally beginning to find peace now that I have detached from her.    I saw myself starting down the alcoholic road and I decided to get into counseling and read everything I could get my hands on because I didn't want to turn into someone with the same traits that I despised in my abusive mother.   I've read probably close to 30 books in the past year and BY FAR, the best was THE EMOTIONALLY ABUSED WOMAN BY BEVERLY ENGEL.    Please, please, please Lisa, decide to let go of the past and decide that your future is going to be completely different.     Enter rehab and get some counseling, read this book and you will be able to be assertive and self-preserving without the alcohol, because you will learn to let go of the bondage you've been in because of the abuse you've experienced all your life.     YOU GO GIRL!!   YOU DESERVE THE GOOD LIFE NOW.

You might have read this one but I found it very helpful 

HOPE by Emily Marlin ISBN 0-06-015769-0 

  

Its for Adult children of alcoholics.  Both of my parents are dead now and at nearly 44 years of age I am finally dealing with this.  Good luck to you! 

 
March 30, 2006, 6:43 am CST

Give me alcohol or go away

Lisa, 

  

 

Before you can pick your self off of the bottom, you have to first admit your there. It took me a long time of thinking about it. I knew I had reach the bottom many times but I just didn't want to believe it 

 

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Then one day, while binge drinking I hit the REAL bottom. My husband and I were out all day drinking...  Later that evening, at a local bar,  we got into a big argument, we had been riding motorcycle's and naturally I had my helmet. As the situation got worse I took my helmet and hit him as hard as I could and knocked him to the ground. He was out. I instantly thought I had killed him. I nearly did.  

  

That's what alcohol can do for you. That was it for me. I asked God to never let me forget what that was like, nearly killing someone. This helps me not to drink. I have been sober now 12 years. 

  

 

Recently I was diagnosed Bipolar and learned that drinking was a way of self medicating my problem.  For you it  maybe just a case of give me alcohol or go away.  Either way take Dr Phil's help and stop the despair! My heart is with you.    

 

  

 

 

 

 

PS. My husband stuck by me and even quit drinking himself. We have been together 23 years now. Maybe your Mom can do the same for you. We all saw she's a major factor in your drinking, now maybe she can be a major factor in your quitting.  

 
March 30, 2006, 6:52 am CST

Stay Focused

Quote From: mcmilky

On Wednesday Dr. Phil aired an episode that really pissed me off, it was titled "My Drinking is Killing Me", his guest was a 40 year old woman named Lisa who naively came on the show to seek help for an addiction to alcohol. The show starts out with a clip of Lisa going about her daily routines, it begins out in the morning with her sober, she is obviously physically addicted as she can’t stop shaking, it then fast forwards to the afternoon where Lisa is now withdrawing so bad from alcohol that she’s throwing up, she’s gets desperate for a drink and by the end of the 3 minute video Lisa is shown with a beer admitting that it takes at least 9 drinks to stop the shakes and concluding with her saying "I have sold basically everything I've owned in order to get alcohol. I've given blow-jobs for beer. I've given sex for alcohol. I recently ended up in the hospital because I contracted E. coli, because I had unprotected anal sex with a guy for booze." 

  

Having obviously just ignored Lisa’s heartbreaking plea for help Dr. Phil turns to her and asks "So what brings you here?" Lisa then recaps her story saying that she’s fearful if she doesn’t stop drinking that she will die, that she drinks up to 20 beers a day, she’s been to treatment 3 times and feels hopeless. She then admits to be drunk right then and there. It’s quite apparent by Lisa’s own admission and what was depicted on the tape that Lisa needs help for alcohol dependency but Dr. Phil can’t seem to overlook Lisa’s confession of trading sexual services for alcohol, "Are you a prostitute?" he asks. "No. I've never prostituted myself. But practically," she admits. "I've gone out with guys I wouldn't have gone out with, wouldn't have given the time of day to, because they provided me with alcohol and cigarettes and food." This to Dr. Phil seems to be a bigger issue then the drinking, as Dr. Phil goes on to say, "The fact that what you're doing just doesn't meet your definition of selling yourself tells me that you just don't value yourself enough. The fact that you would even have a conversation with somebody that you didn't want to talk to in exchange for alcohol, the fact that you would spend time with someone, that you would let them touch you in exchange for that is disgusting and I don't want you to ever do it again the rest of your life."  

What may or may not be disgusting is really in the eye of whose body it is, since this woman seemed to only engage in sex work to support her alcohol addiction I can only assume that she’s not on the show because she has a prostitution addiction that she can’t stop and sometime’s has a drink or two while she works. No. She’s on the show because she’s so addicted to alcohol and  she feels she no longer has control of her life, she can’t sustain regular employment due to her drinking, so when she’s desperate for a drink or money to buy a drink she does sex work. Most likely if she wasn’t drinking she wouldn’t be engaging in sex work. So why wasn’t Dr. (and I use the term ‘doctor’ loosely) Phil focusing on helping her obtain treatment? 

Dr. Phil asked the same question, "Why am I hitting so much on this prostitution element? I'm telling you because there is not a lower rung to go on." Oh....I see....I didn’t know prostitution was the "lowest rung", I kind of assumed thieves, child pornographers, or people who exploit other’s on talk show’s were the lowest rung.  

  

I think you missed the point. Dr. Phil was referring to HER lowest bottom. She wasn't admitting to being a child pornographers, or thieve. Actually I guess she was admitting to being  a thief, robbing herself of dignity maybe...  

 
March 31, 2006, 9:41 am CST

Thank you

This show has been an excellent reminder for me. I hope to never go back to those days. My life was miserable. Today I am happy and like who I have become. I will be receiving my 18 mo. token in 3 weeks and plan on being there to collect my hugs. Today I have hope where-as a year and a half ago I had none.  The main thing I have to thank for my sobriety is a strong support group. I tried staying sober on my own and well........All I did was white knuckle it for almost 2 years until I drank again. And it was amazing how good that first drink was........for about 5 seconds. And then I knew I was right back where I had left off. But it was worse than before because I knew there was a better way. I am thankful for Narcotics Anonymous and the real me they  have given me a way to find. I hope to never forget the misery I was in while I was drinking and the misery of detox.  With the help of God, and NA I will never feel I need to go back to that way of life. Thank you Dr. Phil for the reminder and Lisa there is hope. Donna
 
March 31, 2006, 12:23 pm CST

Wernicke's syndrome

Quote From: mmg5712

My brothers and sisters and I have just been through an incredibly bad ordeal with my 70 year old father who drank daily for over 50 years.  It started with what we thought was demetia, but we found out that there is a name for it.  When we started to research Wernicke's syndrome, the symptoms mirror what we saw in my father.  Drinking causes the body to not absorb thiamine and the demetia, ataxia (falling down) and depression was caused by malnutrition and a vitamin deficiency. My stepmother just decided to just sit back and watch while he became worse and worse.  By the time she let his kids know (we live about an hour away) it was almost too late.  The subject of my stepmother's behavior through all of this would take up a whole show by itself so I will not get into that. 

  

We forced him into a hospital where the detox was horrible.  DT's, tremors, hallucinations etc.  We also found out that the malnutrition had caused some  brain damage.  One doctor told us that is was reversible.  We looked at him like he was crazy because at this point he was like a stroke victim.  We moved him to a nursing home and he got stronger with physical therapy, but mentally was in his own world.  The all of the sudden he was back mentally   And I do mean suddenly.  It was like a light going on in his head! I could not beleive that we could once again have a sane conversation based on what we had seen for six weeks. 

  

He has decided to go back to his wife  (still crazy in that regard) and we still have a long way to go as far as alcohol treatment and rehab, but I cannot belive that he is back mentally (there is some permanent brain damage though).  For anyone with an elderly parent or alcoholic in their lives, research this syndrome.  It mimics drunkeness so we would not have known the difference if the doctor had not mentioned it, but if caught and treated, it is reversible to an extent by administering thiamine.  Also, we were told that the hospital should have never just cold turkey detoxed him.  It almost killed him and sent his body into such a shock that what we saw for 6 weeks was excrutiating.  As I stated, it seemed like a stroke.  Please find a doctor who is familiar with detox.  Elderly alcoholics are difficult to deal with and set in their ways, but there is hope for physical recovery.  My dad was the highest functioning alcoholic I have ever met, this was his bottom after 70 years so keeping him away from it may be hard, but at least we get a chance to try.  (If my stepmother doesn't kill him first though!) 

This is the first time I have heard of this. Thank you for sharing this .I am going search it further. 

May God Bless you and your family. 

  

  

  

Sheila 

 
April 6, 2006, 7:40 am CDT

03/22 Living on the Edge

Quote From: mcmilky

On Wednesday Dr. Phil aired an episode that really pissed me off, it was titled "My Drinking is Killing Me", his guest was a 40 year old woman named Lisa who naively came on the show to seek help for an addiction to alcohol. The show starts out with a clip of Lisa going about her daily routines, it begins out in the morning with her sober, she is obviously physically addicted as she can’t stop shaking, it then fast forwards to the afternoon where Lisa is now withdrawing so bad from alcohol that she’s throwing up, she’s gets desperate for a drink and by the end of the 3 minute video Lisa is shown with a beer admitting that it takes at least 9 drinks to stop the shakes and concluding with her saying "I have sold basically everything I've owned in order to get alcohol. I've given blow-jobs for beer. I've given sex for alcohol. I recently ended up in the hospital because I contracted E. coli, because I had unprotected anal sex with a guy for booze." 

  

Having obviously just ignored Lisa’s heartbreaking plea for help Dr. Phil turns to her and asks "So what brings you here?" Lisa then recaps her story saying that she’s fearful if she doesn’t stop drinking that she will die, that she drinks up to 20 beers a day, she’s been to treatment 3 times and feels hopeless. She then admits to be drunk right then and there. It’s quite apparent by Lisa’s own admission and what was depicted on the tape that Lisa needs help for alcohol dependency but Dr. Phil can’t seem to overlook Lisa’s confession of trading sexual services for alcohol, "Are you a prostitute?" he asks. "No. I've never prostituted myself. But practically," she admits. "I've gone out with guys I wouldn't have gone out with, wouldn't have given the time of day to, because they provided me with alcohol and cigarettes and food." This to Dr. Phil seems to be a bigger issue then the drinking, as Dr. Phil goes on to say, "The fact that what you're doing just doesn't meet your definition of selling yourself tells me that you just don't value yourself enough. The fact that you would even have a conversation with somebody that you didn't want to talk to in exchange for alcohol, the fact that you would spend time with someone, that you would let them touch you in exchange for that is disgusting and I don't want you to ever do it again the rest of your life."  

What may or may not be disgusting is really in the eye of whose body it is, since this woman seemed to only engage in sex work to support her alcohol addiction I can only assume that she’s not on the show because she has a prostitution addiction that she can’t stop and sometime’s has a drink or two while she works. No. She’s on the show because she’s so addicted to alcohol and  she feels she no longer has control of her life, she can’t sustain regular employment due to her drinking, so when she’s desperate for a drink or money to buy a drink she does sex work. Most likely if she wasn’t drinking she wouldn’t be engaging in sex work. So why wasn’t Dr. (and I use the term ‘doctor’ loosely) Phil focusing on helping her obtain treatment? 

Dr. Phil asked the same question, "Why am I hitting so much on this prostitution element? I'm telling you because there is not a lower rung to go on." Oh....I see....I didn’t know prostitution was the "lowest rung", I kind of assumed thieves, child pornographers, or people who exploit other’s on talk show’s were the lowest rung.  

  

Good point, there are so many things worse than prostitution. A prostitute dose not give or take something away from a person without their consent.  

 
April 24, 2006, 7:28 am CDT

glad to hear it

Quote From: pharmacall

! am sorry I made a typagraphical error. I am Lisa's Step-Father. Lisa does not have any kids. I apologize.. Her mother and I will be going dow to see Lisa. She seems to be doing very well. 

Pharmacall 

Her step-father!  We've met.  Years ago.  I'd be happy to hear how your visit went.  I hope she's doing well.  I'd love to send her a card.  Would you contact me at dannette@verizon.net?  Thank you so much! 

 
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