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Topic : 01/12 Racism Experiment

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Created on : Friday, January 06, 2006, 01:48:12 pm
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Charlie, a self-described racist, struggled with the fact that his daughter was going to have a biracial baby. His insensitive, hate-based thinking tore apart his family. After speaking with Dr. Phil, he agreed to spend some time learning about African-American culture. How did he do when Dr. Phil set him up to live with a black family for two days? And, Dave grew up believing he was white, but found out the family secret when he was 26 - that he was actually biracial. In an effort to heal the pain of being deceived his whole childhood, Dave went public with his story, with disastrous consequences. How can he heal and move on? Plus, Cene is biracial and says her mother accuses her of acting "too white." Should Cene have to choose a race? Share your thoughts.


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January 12, 2006, 4:06 pm PST

Message for Cene and her mom!

I just wanted to share a little bit of my personal experiences with ya. I am 100% black woman and I grew up in an "inner-city” school system. My mom (a single mom) had very high expectations of me and wanted me to 'be' a certain way. This included taking honors classes (and doing well), being able to speak and write (in proper English.. when necessary!!), volunteer in the community, play sports, play a musical instrument and attend church regularly. At my high school, it wasn’t “cool” to be in the band or be a “science-geek” (or. any type of geek) Very few of my minority peers were in my classes, involved in community service and many black girls weren’t interested in playing sports. As a result I was constantly surrounded and befriended by my white peers. (Furthermore, many of my black-peers did not want to associate with me because I was “too-white”...??whatever that means???) It was not easy being ME, because I never felt like I truly identified with either the whites or blacks (.. but I am eternally grateful for the few-friends that accepted me back then...) however, when I went to college my experiences changed. At UConn I met smart, motivated, intellectual young black men and women who were open-minded enough to accept me. I guess the main point is … the black kids that I met in college were more like me. They studied like me, the appreciated my “geeky” comments and they respected me as a person. (Whereas, my white-peers were the only people that accepted me previously) I just think it’s important for Cene to befriend and surround herself with friends that support and respect her. And just because she identifies with her white peers/side a little-bit more right now … doesn’t mean that she chooses to NEVER identify with her black-side. Although, I don’t know what Cene’s life/environment is like .. I know that it is important to give her a chance to experience the world and maybe then she may find a comfortable niche for herself in the black community.
 
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January 12, 2006, 4:08 pm PST

God's blessings on Cene

I think that Cene's mother needs to realize what a wonderful daughter she has in spite of her upbringing. I thought the young lady's attitude about race was one of the most mature I have ever seen. I'm white and I have two little bi-racial granddaughters. I hope they both grow up to be as well adjusted about who they are as Cene seems to have. I wish Cene could be around for them when this becomes an issue in their lives. Also, I live about 15 minutes from a nice private college that looks much like the one pictured on the show; and if Cene's mother won't accept her for going to a "white" school, I sure would. My daughter has finished college and her room is available. Just say the word. Is Monica upset because Cene isn't jammin' to hip-hop and acting like a "ho" that's being pimped by the boy down the street? Is that the "black heritage" that Monica is so concerned that Cene is turning her back on? C'mon, Monica! White kids have been imitating black kids for decades. That's how "that black rock and roll music" became so popular. Get over it! 

  

There was a time when it was very frowned upon for someone of german or irish descent to marry a woman of italian descent, for example. I suppose there may be places around New York where that still bothers some people. But most of us have gotten over it. Maybe, in another hundred years or so, people will wonder what all this black/white racism "fuss" was about. 

 

 
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January 12, 2006, 4:11 pm PST

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I totally agree with you but I have to point out that when we say "black, white, brown, purple we are all the same"  There are no PURPLE people which really minimizes the entire statement. but your point is understood. 

It never ceases to amaze me, the frailties of us humans. The mother's concern certainly came from her own confusion and heart.  The word 'heritage'; 'black culture', or 'white this'; 'white that', really?  Art is art!  Culture is culture!  Variations do not oblivion those BASIC human INHERIT qualities that the Supreme Creator planted there. These things knows no color, race or creed. 

My question is:  When a white person makes a remark associated with 'black' , it is racial....but when, like the nice lady, mother on the show today, sounded very racist, it was corrected and projected to be 'her concern for the daughter's culture, heritage, etc , etc, ....  

The young lady is being educated by having a well rounded social circle and if she swings farther in one direction than another, sometimes, I would see it as simply her preference at that time, and she  is finding more things in common with persons rather than because they are white.... 

  

Thanks for listening. 

Mamie65 

  

 
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January 12, 2006, 4:14 pm PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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I totally agree with you but I have to point out that when we say "black, white, brown, purple we are all the same"  There are no PURPLE people which really minimizes the entire statement. but your point is understood. 

I just said purple to express that there's no characteristic linked to one specific race. I did not literally mean purple. Sorry for the confusion. 
 
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January 12, 2006, 4:15 pm PST

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Watching the show today about racism, I was having a hard time following the questioning of the mother with the biracial daughter. Dr. Phil asked several times what "acting white" or "not black enough" meant. He never got an answer to those questions and I would like to have heard what her answers were to satisfy my own curiosity and build my own knowledge base. Descriptions and specifics might have made the entire interview a little clearer. 

  

  

 
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January 12, 2006, 4:18 pm PST

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I agree with the quote regarding the biracial daughter appearing to be ashamed of her blackness.  We all have to define who we are in order to feel pride and self worth.  We live in a society that still attempts to brainwash us into thinking that the more white we look and sound the further we'll get.  Telling someone that their racial heritage should be ignored is the same as telling them that  they should'nt care about their family or themselves.  I use to get so upset and cry when white kids would spit on me or call me names in school.  College was even worse.  Now that I'm working I'm still dealing with whites who watch the news in hopes of seeing an African American who has broken the law, just so they can come to work and talk about it all day, in an insane attempt to feel superior and validate their racism.  I've complained to Human Resources, but ofcourse, they try to make me feel that I should just be happy to have a job.  

  

I no longer get upset or cry about these situations.  I confided in an elderly family friend about what was happening to me and she educated me about my rich beautiful cultural and racial heritage.  She gave me books to read and videos containing information about my people that I had never en heard about.  She taught me about the Africans who built nations and traveled the world educating other people about every subject known to man.  But most of all I learned about the courage of a people who could not be stopped.  This country in soaked with the blood of my ancestors who gave their lives for those who had not even been born yet.  The more I learned about my history, the stronger and prouder I became.  I feel nothing less than blessed that God chose to make me black.  I have no problem with other races being proud of who they are, cause I am so proud of who I am.  People of different races do have many differences that are unique to their  particular culture and heritage - Thats what makes us special!!  Being African American is'nt just a color, its a way of life.  People who are insecure about their color, tend to imitate other races.  Biracial represents a person whose biological parents are different races,  every biracial person I know (and I know quite a few) Identifies more with one race than the other.  I even know people who are half black and half white who hate white people as well as one's who hate black people.  Unity will never be a possibility in any great measure until we first achieve equality.    I think that fact has been proven over and over again......LOVE YOUR SHOW DR. PHIL....   

 am biracial, my mother is black, my father is white. Black people don't like me cause I'm not black enough & I get more respect from white people, & it's not because I act too white. If anything, I look mexican.  I too have heard at times that I try to "act white', and since I am married to a white man & have never dated a black man, well....I'm sure you know the rest. By the way, me marrying a white man has to do with preference, not trying to be white or denying my black heritage.

  

But let me ask you this question? What is sounding white? Is it not speaking a made up language called ebonics? What is acting white? Is is not acting ghetto? I hate to break it to you, but you CANNOT act a color. You act the way you were brought up. It has nothing to do with what color you are, your heritage or even your education. It has totally to do with your environment & the way you were raised.  My mom has doesn't speak "ebonics because she wasn't raised that way. She was raised to respect herself & others, & that's how she raised us. She didn't raise us to "act white". 

  

I've run accross plenty of educated black people who talk like they came straight out of the hood. I am not ashamed of my black heritage, but then I don't know much about it. I know that my black grandmother's mother was Cherokee Indian, & her father was black & I know that my black grandfather's mother was French & his father was black. I know that my mother does not call herself African American because her blood line was born & raised in America. Only a person who was was born in Africa & is now a citizen of the United States is an African American. Black people are just Black people.  

  

Let me tell you how I identify my self........I AM A CHILD OF GOD. He made me, He loves me, & in the end, He won't judge me on whether I consider myself black or white or whatever! 

 
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January 12, 2006, 4:27 pm PST

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I'm so glad that you are doing a show on racism.  As a person raised in the south, I can honestly empathize with Charlie because I also come from a family that had alot of racists!  I don't even remember seeing or speaking to an african american until I was 7.  I didn't know that the "n" word was a bad thing until I my family moved to Tennessee and I became friends with 2 african american girls down the street and their mother explained to me why it was wrong.  After that, I never used the word again because I would do ANYTHING to keep from hurting anyone's feelings!!  

I try to think that I'm not racist anymore.  Because of the way I was raised, however, I do have beliefs about bi-racial dating and marraige.  I'm sure this is petty of me, but I just do.  It doesn't bother me if others date bi-racially, but for me and my children it is a no-no.  I have always raised my children to know that they are no better than anyone else and that you can't help who you fall in love with.  However, if you don't put yourself in the position to date bi-racially, then a bi-racial marraige can't happen.  I've always told them to be friends with anyone and everyone; but that dating and marraige should be with someone of their own race.  Even as I write this, it sounds racist to me, but I've just seen too many bi-racial children who are mistreated and snubbed by both races and I just wouldn't want that for any grandchild I might have. 

"However, if you don't put yourself in the position to date bi-racially, then a bi-racial marraige can't happen." 

 

And how exactly does one avoid a bi-racial dating situation? Go to all white schools, have all white friends who only have all white friends (to avoid the "I know a great guy who you would like," friend hookups), move into all white neighborhoods, and never leave your home? That is the only way to avoid people of a different color. 

  

I'm sorry, but you cannot tell your children, "It's okay to be friends with anyone, but don't you dare date a black person. Just avoid any situation in which you might want to!" That would mean they would have to avoid befriending blacks, because some of the best relationships start out as friendships. 

  

Yours is simply a diluted version of racism. The "biracial children are mistreated" argument is just bologna. Every child has to deal with teasing and mistreatment from their peers. If it's not the fact that they are biracial, it's because their nose is too big, or they wear glasses, or have frizzy hair, or aren't blonde, or have brown eyes, etc, etc, etc. 

  

Stop making excuses. If you aren't a racist, then don't be a racist. But don't say, "I'm not a racist but..." and then say that the races should be seperate from one another in ANY way.  

 
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January 12, 2006, 4:37 pm PST

Just leave me alone, please

Why can't I have my own views? 

I have friends all around the world... they're all cool, neat, intelligent, and interesting people.  Very few of my friends are extra-cultural...  most are black, yellow, red, white (or whatever) couples.  They don't want to go to bed with me, any more than I want to go to bed with them.  We are attracted to our own cultures, values, morals, and quirks.  I don't have to entertain intimacy with anyone, just because others say I must, to avoid  'discrimination' issues - otherwise, I'd have to consider (ALSO) same sex activity, in order to avoid some other ridiculous 'tag'.  Things are really getting out of hand with all this 'Politcal Correctness', 'I'm Okay - You're Okay', and 'Blending'.  History doesn't  think much of it, either. 

 
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January 12, 2006, 4:37 pm PST

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Quote:..."First, let me say that you have broken my heart.  There isn't one single thing you could have told me that would have hurt me more. What in the name of God were you thinking when you began identifying with the African world to such an degree that you found yourself in this position:  The last time I looked my daughter was a white, educated professional intelligent woman making intelligent decisions.  That's why parents send their children to college in the hopes they use those tools to better themselves, not to go backwards.  In all of _____ is there not one person who would at the very least have been on an equal playing field for you?  Do you have so little self esteem that you have to settle for anything less, and contrary to what you may think most people still frown on this type of relationship." 

  

This is just one MILD example of what I have been dealing with since I "outed" my relationship with an African man more more that 1 1/2 years ago. 

 I saw the first show of the "Racism Experiment"  but did not have the courage to write.  As I watched again today I was horrified and embarrased just sitting in my living room all alone.  As Dr. Phil talked about vile and disgusting behavior I could only chuckle... one could not even imagine the vile, disgusting, despicable comments that I, and one family member who supports me, have been subjected to.  I am disowned and accused of  "choosing him over us".  My parents' point of view is that I knew how they would feel about this and I did it anyway, I shouldn't have even considered doing anything that would have destroyed them this much.  I could fill pages with the arguments, attacks, accusations, judgement, and rejection that I have been through in the last year and a half.  The first time I was disowned by them I suffered for a couple of months with the guilt and blame until I had an emotional breakdown.  They did come to my aid because I was so sick but once I got back on my feet they expected that I had come to my senses and my relationship would end.  They were completely dismayed that I hadn't ended it and in effect "did this to them a second time".  After much therapy and support from a relative and friends I've unlearned the "I must please my parents" guilt and have stood up for my right to choose my own path in life.  In the process my sister, who initially supported me, has shown her two faces and disowned me also saying "I hope your therapy is affording you the ability to get through all your issues but I fear that it is also brainwashing you.....you are all wasting precious time and none of you are right... I hope you are all happy with what you've created because each of you is at fault....if you are angry about it its because you its true.." and on and on.   I no longer am allowed to see my niece and nephew. 

I wish my family could see the bigger picture in what really matters, and how this cannot possibly be "their worst nightmare" in light of all the devasting things we have seen around us.  At this point I am at the angry stage, which is better than the emotional one, but it is still hard for me to believe that the people who are the closest to me think I am incapable, selfish, disillusioned with reality, and to blame for their pain and heartache.   

By the way, you should know that I am 42 years old, have a Bachelors and two Masters, in a professional career, and a single homeowner.  Can you imagine thinking you have the right to tell someone at this stage in life that they cannot live by their beliefs, they must live by yours??  Please enlighten me, even if you are a parent that does not agree with interracial relationships could you do this? 

  

  

Just wanted to let you know that as i read your story i felt as if i was reading my own journal.  I am 29 and married to a black man and every single thing that you said in your letter is the exact same things that i have gone through and i have heard since 2000.  It is hard and it hurts but all you can do is pray that GOD will help them to see the light someday.  It was sad to know that others have to deal with what i deal with but good also to know that there are other people like me that are strong enough to stand up for what they believe in even if we stand alone.
 
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January 12, 2006, 4:37 pm PST

Racism Walks Many Roads

I spent part of my life in the south.  I know how bad racism can be.  My message today is that black/white is not the only racism that abounds.  I have lived in Alaska for the past 24 years.  For 7 of those years I lived in rural Alaska.  One in an Eskimo village and another one with 5 local Native villages nearby. 

  

I have never seen such racism from people.  Many of the Native people will tell you to your face they hate white people.  I know, I have experienced it as an elementary principal. 

  

Not only do many of the Native people dislike whites, they don't like other minorities that come to work in their community.  There is a caste system among their own race where many racist remarks are made about each other. 

  

Guess I am tired of watching the same PC shows.  Only the whites are racists!!  Yes, many are, but there are just as many nonwhites out there that are also.  jp 

 
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