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Created on : Friday, January 06, 2006, 01:48:12 pm
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Charlie, a self-described racist, struggled with the fact that his daughter was going to have a biracial baby. His insensitive, hate-based thinking tore apart his family. After speaking with Dr. Phil, he agreed to spend some time learning about African-American culture. How did he do when Dr. Phil set him up to live with a black family for two days? And, Dave grew up believing he was white, but found out the family secret when he was 26 - that he was actually biracial. In an effort to heal the pain of being deceived his whole childhood, Dave went public with his story, with disastrous consequences. How can he heal and move on? Plus, Cene is biracial and says her mother accuses her of acting "too white." Should Cene have to choose a race? Share your thoughts.


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January 13, 2006, 9:30 am PST

Black Family not Representative

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Because a major portion of blacks live in areas that are impoverished, they are more likely to commit the kinds of crime that leave them in jail. When they are released, they are released into the same situation, surrounded by the same people, and so recommit. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Whites are more likely to commit white collar crimes and have deferred sentences or probation. Their "povery mentalities, lawlessness and immorality" are a direct result of the fact that they have less chance of getting out of the povery then a Caucasion family. 

  

Did you happen to see the side by side reports of two families, looting in New Orleans after the hurricane? The caption beneath the picture of the black family said, "Family loots during aftermath of Hurricane Katrina." The caption beneath the picture of the white family said, "Survivors of Hurricane Katrina finding food." 

  

The "black culture" that you speak of is not black culture. It is the culture of the impoverished, the downtrodden, and the uneducated. And that is a culture that knows no color. 

 I agree with this post as the family used in the "experiment" on the Dr. Phil show was not representative of the average black family or white for that matter!

The show led us to believe that all stereotypes in this mans mind were suddenly erased because he spent a delightful time with this family. He simply needed to reconnect with his daughter and accept his grandchild.






 
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January 13, 2006, 9:58 am PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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Dr. Phil,  I'm sorry but your experiment is outside the real world.  The black comedian and his family was not representative of most of the black culture in America.  First off, the man is still married to his wife.  Second he is rich.  He may be black, but he probably doesn't live like very many intercity blacks.  How many newborn black children have a father living at home in 2006? Case in point: Where is the father of Charlie's granddaughter?   What if you had sent Charlie to New Orleans to live with some of those people we saw looting during hurricane Katrina?  What if you had sent him to Harlem in New York City to just "hang" in the hood".  He may be dead or at least a victim of crime. The problem is not those blacks who have jobs and families and live normal American lives.  It's the huge part of that culture that is unemployed, into crime, generationally on welfare and has no moral values in the sexual realm.  I'm not racist because of the color of their skin, but I may qualify because I don't like or feel that I should appreciate their poverty mentalities, lawlessness and immorality.

Granted Caucasians are not perfect either.  Many of them have the same problems.  But why are prisons full of predominantly black men?  Why are more illegitimate black children born than white?  The point is your show did not represent reality.
 

Racism comes about when a few of the worst examples are used to judge a whole race of people.   

You should really look into statistics on crime, poverty, unemployment, out of wedlock births, etc.   It all relates to character, not skin color.  Contrary to narrow-minded viewpoints and negative media portrayals, Africans Americans are not plagued with an immorality gene, promiscuity, or a lazy gene.   

  

Roughly half of all Black children do live in a two-parent household.  More than half of welfare recipients are Caucasians.  As for unemployment rates, the U.S. Dept of Labor defines an unemployed person as one who is actively seeking employment.  And unfortunately, the number of unemployed Blacks as defined by the Dept of Labor is consistently twice as high as Caucasians.   

  

 
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January 13, 2006, 11:50 am PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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I am white and married to a mexican.  I was on the Dr. Phil show 2 years ago.  I was disowned by my uncle for marrying my husband.  We will be married 10 years in Feb.  We have 2 wonderful children.  Our son looks like me, our daughter like my husband.  We have expressed to them how lucky they are to have 2 cultures to come from.  They have not had problems so far.  I honestly believe as they grow older it will not be a big deal.  In my son's 2nd grade class, out of 22 children, about half are biracial.  Let's face it, the problem stems from "labeling" biracial.  They are human just like any one else,  but now my children have advantages that I alone did not have or that my husband alone did not have.  It is what's inside that counts, not the color of our skin!!! 

  

I remember that show.  Your uncle was very stubborn.  In the latter years of his life, he would rather deprive himself of a relationship with you, his niece, and ultimately your mom who also felt hurt by his actions than to overcome his prejudices. I'm glad to know that you and your family are doing well.   
 
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January 13, 2006, 12:51 pm PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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Does it make me a bad person when I can not except the fact that my 24 yr old daughter is living with a black man?  My Daughter and Granddaughter are living with a black man.  Do I object to this? ABSOLUTELY with out a doubt.  I do not dis like blacks I just don't believe that whites and blacks should mix.  A year ago my daughter was living with me and became pregnant by a black guy, needless to say she had to move out, I made it clear that there would be no way that I would ever except that child as my grand child, My daughter terminated the pregnancy, and the black guy was out of the picture, he actually wanted the pregnancy terminated but wanted me to pay for it, I refused, it wasn't my problem.  My daughter has since moved on and now is living with another black guy.  My family and I have pretty much cut her out of our lives, she can come visit but the guy is not allowed to come to our home, And they are not included in any family functions, She chose to spend Christmas with him instead of her family.  He may be a nice guy, but I just can not except the fact that he is black and that they have some sort of a relationship whatever that may be.    The worst thought that crosses my mind is the fact that my granddaughter could end up calling this man DAD,  the fear is that kids are cruel and what will happen when she goes to school and the other kids discover that she calls a black guy DAD?    I just don't know... I have told my husband over and over again that I feel guilty for the way that I feel, but I just can not get past it. 

You say that you don't want your granddaughter being mistreated by other kids.  But how do you think she feels about the way you treat her mother? You are being just as cruel as the rest of the world that you speak of.  Your granddaughter is being victimized by your actions, and she doesn't deserve it.  Don't continue to feel guilty about what's going on.  Do what you can to mend your relationship with your daughter.  Life is short.   

  

The bottom line is that your daughter is going to be with this man with or without your approval.  She's an adult and she doesn't need your permission to date a black man or any man for that matter.  How would you feel if you knew that his family shunned her just because of her skin color?  Would you feel like she deserves it or would you feel like his family is wrong for mistreating her?   

  

If you choose not to accept it, then you're not only hurting her, but you're hurting yourself, your grandchild, and any future grandchildren that may come along.   

  

  

  

  

  

 
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January 13, 2006, 1:22 pm PST

Racism Experiment

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Racism comes about when a few of the worst examples are used to judge a whole race of people.   

You should really look into statistics on crime, poverty, unemployment, out of wedlock births, etc.   It all relates to character, not skin color.  Contrary to narrow-minded viewpoints and negative media portrayals, Africans Americans are not plagued with an immorality gene, promiscuity, or a lazy gene.   

  

Roughly half of all Black children do live in a two-parent household.  More than half of welfare recipients are Caucasians.  As for unemployment rates, the U.S. Dept of Labor defines an unemployed person as one who is actively seeking employment.  And unfortunately, the number of unemployed Blacks as defined by the Dept of Labor is consistently twice as high as Caucasians.   

  

I don't know were you get more then half of the recipients on welfare are Caucasian.  I live in Calif,  and it doesn't work that way out here.   

  

Case in  point, about five years ago when my husband was unemployed we went and applied for food stamps. That all we needed we just wanted help in buying food for the family.  I was setting in in one of the cubicles and over heard a case worked telling a black woman not to claim her child support because she would not get welfare benefits.  I was told to sell my car ( which is needed to get to work) and to cash in my 401K.  

  

So don't tell  me there are more whites on welfare than anyone else. Go to a welfare office in CA, you won't see that many caucasians.  

 
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January 13, 2006, 2:31 pm PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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"However, if you don't put yourself in the position to date bi-racially, then a bi-racial marraige can't happen." 

 

And how exactly does one avoid a bi-racial dating situation? Go to all white schools, have all white friends who only have all white friends (to avoid the "I know a great guy who you would like," friend hookups), move into all white neighborhoods, and never leave your home? That is the only way to avoid people of a different color. 

  

I'm sorry, but you cannot tell your children, "It's okay to be friends with anyone, but don't you dare date a black person. Just avoid any situation in which you might want to!" That would mean they would have to avoid befriending blacks, because some of the best relationships start out as friendships. 

  

Yours is simply a diluted version of racism. The "biracial children are mistreated" argument is just bologna. Every child has to deal with teasing and mistreatment from their peers. If it's not the fact that they are biracial, it's because their nose is too big, or they wear glasses, or have frizzy hair, or aren't blonde, or have brown eyes, etc, etc, etc. 

  

Stop making excuses. If you aren't a racist, then don't be a racist. But don't say, "I'm not a racist but..." and then say that the races should be seperate from one another in ANY way.  

I agree with you to some extent, but on the other hand I don't.  I am in no way saying that races should be separated or that you should send your children to an "all white" school so that they don't date anyone of color!!!!  My daughter has always gone to public schools and she has MANY friends who are black, hispanic, ect., but that's all they are ....friends.  Many have tried to date her and she told them no.  She told them that she will be their friend all day long, but dating them is out of the question.   

  

I guess maybe unless you are raised or live in the deep south you really cannot understand how stigmatized and mistreated people who are bi-racial or date bi-racially are treated.  It has come a long way from what it used to be though because at least now black people are finally treated as equals for the most part.  However, if you're bi-racial even the black people look down on you!!  I guess you just have to live there to know where I'm coming from!   

 
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January 13, 2006, 2:44 pm PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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I don't know were you get more then half of the recipients on welfare are Caucasian.  I live in Calif,  and it doesn't work that way out here.   

  

Case in  point, about five years ago when my husband was unemployed we went and applied for food stamps. That all we needed we just wanted help in buying food for the family.  I was setting in in one of the cubicles and over heard a case worked telling a black woman not to claim her child support because she would not get welfare benefits.  I was told to sell my car ( which is needed to get to work) and to cash in my 401K.  

  

So don't tell  me there are more whites on welfare than anyone else. Go to a welfare office in CA, you won't see that many caucasians.  

I do agree with you!!!!!  I was a single mother and I was working 2 jobs (I'm a server/waitress) and was barely making ends meet and I went to get some food stamps and the woman told me I made .50 too much to get any help!!!!!!  Can you believe that!?!  So, I asked her if I were a minority if I would get the help I needed and she said yes that minorities were on a different scale!!!!!  In TN where I live, we have people living in the projects driving almost new cadillacs and selling drugs and still getting the help that they don't deserve!  I don't have a problem with ANYONE of any race getting a hand up, but it really makes me angry when the people who need a hand up can't get it, but some who could work and be on birth control if they can't support a child get all the hand outs!!!! 

 
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January 13, 2006, 3:38 pm PST

Everyone's A Little Bit Racist.

 Let me clarify the oberative defintions I'm going to use here.  In International Studies and Relations we talk a lot about  the difference between race/ethnicity/nationality.

Discrimination:  making choices about somone based on their race/ethnicity (these are different things btw)/sexual preferency, etc...

Prejudice: a belief held that a particular group of people (racial/ethnic/sexual/social) possess particular chracteristics.

Racism: identifying people with a certain racial group, based on outward appearance and physical characteristics

Ethnocentrism: the belief that one's ethnic group is in superior to other ethnic groups

Now, using these definitions above I would have to say everyone's a little racist.  Outward physical features are often the first thing we notice about a person.  Words like "black", "white", "oriental","native american" and "hispanic"  make describing a person to somone who has not seen them easier.  For example  when you say the word "oriental", the person you are talking to automatically pictures a person with light to medium skin, black straight hair, and certain facial and physical characteristics associated with that particualr race.   The person relating the story does not have to detail all these specifics since it is assumed what physical characteristics generally are attributed to somone of "oriental" decent.

I honestly will admit _I_ am a racist if you use the above definition.   I recognize that this is simply a tool for relaying information about someone's physical characteristics quickly to another person.

Now I am completely against using race as a basis of any type of judgement of the person's character, habits, hobbies, etc....  I find that to be ridiculous. you can't just look at somone and KNOW who they are.   I beleive racism (as defined above) is often the basis for prejudice and as a result discrimination, but the terms do not always have to relate to each other.  I think that's why the term racism automatically takes on a negitive connotation.

Most people define racism as : the believe that one's race is superior to other races.  I tend to think there should be another term for this, because I define racism as simply a way people categorize others into like groups based on physical characteristics for  the purpose of describing general physical characteristics.
 
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January 13, 2006, 3:46 pm PST

01/12 Racism Experiment

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I agree with you to some extent, but on the other hand I don't.  I am in no way saying that races should be separated or that you should send your children to an "all white" school so that they don't date anyone of color!!!!  My daughter has always gone to public schools and she has MANY friends who are black, hispanic, ect., but that's all they are ....friends.  Many have tried to date her and she told them no.  She told them that she will be their friend all day long, but dating them is out of the question.   

  

I guess maybe unless you are raised or live in the deep south you really cannot understand how stigmatized and mistreated people who are bi-racial or date bi-racially are treated.  It has come a long way from what it used to be though because at least now black people are finally treated as equals for the most part.  However, if you're bi-racial even the black people look down on you!!  I guess you just have to live there to know where I'm coming from!   

 I don't understand why people black or white or what ever get on the case of bi or multiracial people.  It's completely backwards and ignorant.   I mean does it REALLY matter if a white person and a black person get together and have kids?   People have been crossing racial and ethnic lines for thousands of years and intermarrying with each other.   It is NOT a new phenomenon.    Ever read ''Othello''?  That was written way back in jolly old England in Shakespeare's time and two of the main characters are a bi-racial couple.    So I don't see what the big deal is. 

Of course considering American history it doesn't surprise me that people are stigmitized for it, but I think if people looked at it in a rational way then they'd see how ridiculous it is.
 
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January 13, 2006, 3:48 pm PST

Seize Your Life, Dave

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Hi Dave,

I'm so sorry you were raised by such foolish parents. And the fact that they're now mad at you is what really takes the cake. So, I suggest you get on with your life and let them come around.

Just curious though, did your mother have an affair? Is that why they're mad, just because you exposed the reality of her affair??? That's HER problem, not yours. What a fool she is.

I totally agree with cheeker that Dave's parents are foolish!   

  

I was a neighbor of Dave's growing up, went to the same school, rode the same schoolbus, even went to the same church where his parents were church leaders.  It is true that his parents denied that he was black or adopted, more like a "reverse albino".  Of course, the community never quite believed them.  I cannot imagine how Dave felt being lied to by his own parents for his entire childhood, I am surprised that they finally admitted the truth to him.  I also feel badly for him that his entire family has disowned him, I can't believe that they could be so cruel.  I always knew Dave to be a really great person, one any parent white or black WOULD be proud to call their son.   His parents ARE foolish but they are also hypocrites, and I agree with Dr. Phil that Dave has done enough to reconcile with them and that it is time for him to move forward.  There is some lesson from God for Dave in all of this, I wish him the patience and courage to discover that lesson.   

  

One more thing, I can't recall that our "milk white" community treated Dave so poorly, with the name calling and prejudice (not even sure quite how to spell it) although perhaps I didn't recognize it being so young and naive.   I was mortified when I heard this on the show and felt very ashamed of  my childhood community.   I apologize to Dave on behalf of that whole little town and time, so sorry that you had to experience that undeserved pain.  I wish you the very, very best at moving on with your life -- may you find His peace. His purpose and His blessings.  

 
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