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Topic : 01/16 Honeymoon's Over Follow-up

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Created on : Friday, January 13, 2006, 02:16:30 pm
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They’re newlyweds, married only a short time, and already they're headed for divorce court. First, Michelle says she's not the only woman in her marriage. Her husband, Matthew, has many female friends whom she has never met. Should he give them up or did she make a promise she can't keep? Then, when Marlon and Shamika first appeared on the show, they were eight months newly wed and were on the verge of becoming newly divorced because of their constant fighting. Did they put Dr. Phil's advice to work and have things changed? Share your thoughts.


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January 16, 2006, 10:16 pm PST

Shamika is lucky

I think Shamika should realize how lucky she is.  I think she is one of those people who is never happy - that loves to complain.  I also think she has some control issues.  She has a great guy and 2 beautiful children and should realize how blessed she is.  She sound so self-centered and spoiled.  Maybe she should go to Codependent  Anonymous meetings to learn how not to be controlling.  Marlon could go also to learn how to stick up for himself.  I have never been married or blessed with children - I've been alone most of my life - I would trade places with her in a heartbeat.
 
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January 16, 2006, 10:36 pm PST

Mathew/Michelle

This is a relationship headed for big trouble. You cannot be married and have girlfriends/boyfriends. There's only room for one woman in a partner-relationship marriage. This is something me and my husband agreed upon before we got married. It's okay to have friends, but in what capacity are we talking about here. This guy is visiting wemen on the side, even though it could be totally innocent, it is wrong, big no no. I can completely understand where Michelle is comming from. She should take a stand and give him the altimatium. True friends will understand that you can't con't to call them and visit them. It's just not right. If the two of them have friends together, this is different. But it has to be a mutual agreement. We have seen too many times, that this kind of happening will ruin a marriage. The friends become closer than your own spouse and then they become intimate and there goes the marriage. You have to put your partner first, and respect their wishes, when it comes down to keeping friends, or putting them on the shelf, you had better put them on the shelf, or risk having serious problems. Why did'nt these so called friends meet Michelle anyway before they got married, if it was so important for Mathew to keep his friends. Alot of things don't add up here to me. I don't agree with Dr. Phil on this one, and I agree with him 99.9% of the time.  

 
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January 16, 2006, 10:41 pm PST

Appreciation

I have never felt so compelled to express the why I felt about something I viewed on T.V. before now.  Shamika does not appreciation what she has and there is nothing that Marlon will ever do that will make her happy.  She has a good man and she will never realize it until she has pushed him away.  And what Marlon said was absolutely true, other woman would be very happy to him me.  Shamika needs to wake up!!!
 
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January 17, 2006, 1:24 am PST

Shamika is very typical

From my experience, Shamika’s attitude is very common nowadays.  Many women I have come across feel that a relationship revolves solely around their wants and desires, especially educated, professional women.  The man is only there to make them feel good.  Yesterday, I was at church and was listening to a “good church woman” going on and on about all the qualities that she wanted from a man, and what she was willing and not willing to accept.  However, when asked, she would not say what she was willing to do for this man, if she were to find him.  It was all about her.  You hear all the time, “ Where are all the good men?” However, when a good man is found, he is usually treated in the same manner that Marlon is being treated.  There is no reciprocity.  I admit there are a lot of jerks out there, but when a good man is found, he becomes the receptacle of all the crap that she has dealt with from other jerks in her life.  

 

  

 

It seems that there are a lot of double standards now in relationships.  The first and most classic is the attitude, “What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine,” with regards to finances.  Many women want to criticize, but do not want to be criticized.  They want to be romanced, but do not want to be romantic.  They want to be pampered, yet do not want to pamper. They want to be treated like queens, but do not treat the men in their lives like kings.  They want to judge, but do not want to be judged.  They want to share responsibilities when it comes to traditional female roles, but have a list of what they believe to be men’s responsibilities.  No one should ever expect anyone to give or do more in a relationship than they themselves are willing to give.   

 

  

 

Finally, I see this same attitude with regards to friends (Michelle and her husband). I know women who have male friends, but say that they would not trust a man to have female friends.  Why? Well, as a woman, they can have platonic male friends, but men are such dogs that they could never have a platonic female friend. If a man has a female friend, it will eventually lead to sex.  It has to work both ways.  There has to be mutual trust, respect and love for any relationship to work in the long haul.  I know that this does not speak for all women, but in my experience, these attitudes are becoming more and more common in many women.   

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 2:40 am PST

What a Shame

In my humble opinion, this couple's problem revolves around entitlement issues. Shamika desires and expects to have a husband wait on her hand and foot, like she has to do for her children. I remember the first show they were on when she described herself as a "Southern belle" who believed herself entitled to be treated and courted and waited on hand and foot 24/7. (She wants to have her husband get the children up and completely ready in the morning before he goes to work so that she can sleep in the morning after she gets off from work? Please!) I understand where she's coming from in theory, but if she has a husband who has agreed to meet her more than halfway, and if she is unwilling to move from her position, and continues to resent her husband for not meeting her demands, I don't give their relationship much hope. As the show progressed, I could clearly see and hear her husband's frustration, while Shamika appeared to be unmoved and even amused. Good luck on this one, Marlon.  You guys needed to have a serious conversation about marital roles and expectations therein BEFORE you jumped into marriage. Better luck next time. 

 
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January 17, 2006, 3:50 am PST

Who's Responsible For Who's Happiness?

I've been a Dr. Phil fan for a while and this is the first time I've ever posted a message.  I feel the same way as some others who have posted here and I have counseled men myself on this matter; i.e. If a woman doesn't already know how to be happy, there's nothing a man will ever be able to do to make her happy.  Happiness and PLEASURE are two totally different things.  Marlon may be able to give her some pleasure with all of the things he's trying to do, but that's not going to ever satisfy her as long as she persists in choosing to be un-happy.  I feel Happiness is an individual's choice and INDIVIDUAL responsibility.  It really surprises me that Dr. Phil is not returning to the whole "external locus of control" concept he has talked about before.  Isn't he asking Marlon to become the "external locus of control" for Shamika's happiness and vice-versa?
 
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January 17, 2006, 4:38 am PST

You're Obviously Right

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MATTHEW NEEDS OTHER WOMEN...HE "NEEDS" THE ADORATION OF OTHER WOMEN...MICHELLE THINKS SHE HAS A PRIZE IN MATTHEW BECAUSE HE IS --- AS SHE PUTS IT..."A BEAUTIFUL BLACK MAN"  SHE IS IN A WORLD OF HURT...THERE IS A REASON HE HAS KEPT HIS "FRIENDS" FROM HER...SHE IS YOUNG AND NAIVE...I THINK HE HAS CHILDREN BY ONE OR MORE OF THESE OTHER WOMEN...HE JUST DROPS BY THESE OTHER WOMEN'S HOUSES ???--- WITHIN TWO YEARS MICHELLE WILL GROW UP AND REALIZE HER MARRIAGE IS BUILT ON SAND...THEY WILL BE DIVORCED...

Matthew and Michelle won't last.  I just hope MIchelle isn't one of those women who feels she has to get pregnant in order to hold on to a man.  I could tell how uncomfortable Matthew felt about being on the who; he's probably going to resent Michelle even more and turn to his lady friends.  Matthew said that he can't talk about some things with MIchelle.  I can relate to that. Black men have a tendency to date white women as an "In Your Face" to white men more than anything else.  I have six brothers and I listen to their conversations with their friends in order to get better insight into men, and they all agree that black men need to know that black women will be waiting in the wings when and if things don't work out with their encounters with white society.  That's why black men get so upset when they see black women involved with white men.   

  

Michelle should focus on finding a career and friends of her own.  Even if Matthew's lady friends do meet her, she'll probably still find reasons not to like them.  Matthew was honest with his wife;  he told her that he had female friends, so she really walked into the situation.  Trying to control her husband now will ultimately unlesh surpressed feelings regarding his experiences living in a very  white authoritative country.         

 
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January 17, 2006, 5:28 am PST

01/16 Honeymoon's Over Follow-up

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I wish he would just ship her off.  She's selfish and is only thinking about herself.  So what you have to get up and take care of your kids....One of them isn't even his child and he's being supportive of you and yours.  She needs a reality check! 

  

LEAVE HER she's going to suck you dry! 

You are so right.  She is like a Paris Hilton without mommy and daddy's money!   

I can't even imagine her complaining about getting up with the kids after working all night.  Maybe she should have thought about that before taking a job with those hours!!!!  What is wrong with working while the kids are at school like the rest of us do????   

Leave her, Leave her, leave her!!!!! 

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:05 am PST

01/16 Honeymoon's Over Follow-up

  

 Dear Dr Phil! 

 I never normally get a chance to see your show, but yesterday being a holiday I was home and found  the topic interesting and decided to watch.  The first couple, I know someone with the same 'problem' the husband has.  He needs to realize he is not longer a single man.  There is no problem him having female friends, but, as you rightly explained, it's the percestion.  His female friends should also not be disrespectful of his marriage and, call the home if they  need to talk with him. 

With the second couple, my heart goes our for the husband.  I see a man who wants to make his wife happy at all cost....on the other hand, I see  a very selfish wife.  He saw the need to make changes after they first came on the show, may I ask what has she done?  In her eyes, he does not seen to be doing ANY GOOD, and that's bad. Did you see his expression when you asked her the one thing he can do to make her happy.  It seems as if he already is doing what she is asking.  He made a comment that 'as long as she is happy, he will be'.....WRONG.  This is not the basis of a happy relationship.  He should not put his feelings on hold just to make her happy, as I see someone who will always want more and more.  You are quite right when you told her she got lucky, ...................but I will go further to say not just lucky, but  VERY, VERY lucky.  She needs a reality check!  She wants him to help more in the mornings,...it is my understanding that she does get some sleep before the kids go off to school, what is so hard to assist in getting them ready, as he said, when they go, she has all the time to sleep.  If she wants to be treated like the 'queen' she thinks she is, then, treat him like the king he is...............there cannot be a queen without a king! 

 

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January 17, 2006, 8:27 am PST

I agree

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I watched when they appeared the first time on Dr. Phil and again today on the follow-up show. While I very seldom disagree with Dr. Phil, I think he really missed the boat on this couple. I don't see them together for another six months, much less a lifetime, because Shamika is nothing more than a selfish, self-centered, immature prima dona who doesn't have the ability to recognize a good thing when she sees it. Sorry, Dr. Phil, but you missed the boat on this one.

Dr Phil was just completely out to lunch on this couple.  When she said that if she was dressed and he wasn't he still shouldn't ask her to go and get something from the car(!) I just shook my head! Then she complained that he left for work on time instead of getting the kids off to daycare and school in order to allow her to sleep in.  I understood Marion's feelings about pouring himself out into a bottomless pit. 

  

 A good marriage is about accomodating each other.  It is about loving your partner's quirks.  It is about trying to make each other's life as smooth and pleasant as possible.  If I can do something for my husband, I do. If he can do something for me, he does.  It is simply successful. 

  

For a change, I think DR PHIL needs to watch a show over a few times.  He really wasn't getting it! 

 
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