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Does your child rage, scream and kick doors? Is his or her behavior the typical brattiness of a spoiled child, or involuntary behavior beyond the child's control? Dr. Phil sheds light on a pair of widely misunderstood extreme neurological disorders. First, he looks at Asperger's syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism which can cause a person to lack control over his or her emotions, including anger. Rich and Karen's 15-year-old son, Alex, was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 6. His sudden fits of rage and erratic behavior have put a strain on his whole family. Should his parents be afraid of Alex, or is there something they can do to bring his behavior under control? Plus, Craig, 37, can't control his physical tics, nor can he keep from constantly uttering obscenities, literally hundreds of times a day. Craig suffers from Tourette syndrome, an affliction that's gotten so bad, he won't go into grocery stores, movie theatres or any public place for fear he'll be kicked out. What will the disorder mean for his plans to start a family? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 17, 2006, 2:28 pm PST

please portray the whole picture

I am glad that some attention is being paid to this disorder, but I fear that only the negative isolated instances get press.  Aspberger's children are NOT all violent and uncontrollable.   

I know, as my olest son was diagnosed in third grade. My son is nothing like the people that you highlighted in today's show.  He is loving and gentle, and has never in his life raised a hand, or his voice to anyone! He does have trouble controlling impulses, but they are benign things such as vision self stimulation, and the need for physical activity when he is in a situation that makes his stress level rise.  He occasionally talks way too much in social situations, but is never rude or critical or mean. 

I have had to fight tooth and nail to get Joel what he needed his whole school career.  From insisting on a double blind study of him taking Ritalin in kindergarten, to finally removing him from public school in third grade and schooling him at home. 

The things that educators and social workers and even doctors were recommending for Joel very often were not in his best interest.  They initially wanted him to be medicated to make him easier to manage.  That never worked out.  After he was diagnosed, the educational team for Joel decided he would be better off in a behavioral  classroom, where they could punish him by putting him in a "time out" room for being unable to sit still and focus on the task at hand.  The social worker told us that Joel realistically, would never get beyond a third grade education his whole life.  This was so unacceptable to me that we made arrangements for me to home school Joel and his brother Ryan after that. 

The straw that broke the came's back came at the end of that school term.  I was summoned once again to school to talk to Joel as he had been sent to the office for failing to complete a worksheet.  I hapened to come in to the office when no one was there, and overheard a conversation my son was having with himself in the detention room.   

He was saying, "OK- I need to do this work.  I don't want to be in trouble.  I just need to focus..."  

It broke my heart.  He was trying so hard, and the ability to succeed was just beyond what he could do at that time.  I decided right then, that there had been enough punishment for things he couldn't control. I vowed to move heaven and earth and find a way to make him feel that he was smart and capable and loved, and that he was the gentle, caring, good boy I knew him to be.   

I was running a full time day care in my home at the time, so it was a struggle to school at home, but it was ever so much worth the effort to do.  We home schooled for most of Joel's elementary years, until I became ill and could no longer run my daycare or teach Joel.  At that point, he entered public school at the junior high level.  

He tested out at that seventh grade level, even though he had been doing sixth grade material in our home school.  (Way beyond what that social worker predicted!) He of course needed some modifications to his education plan to accomodate his learning difficulties, but thanks be to God, we had Darby on our side. 

Darby is a dedicated para that has worked with Joel thru junior high, and as luck would have it -moved up to the high school when Joel did, so she has been his advocate all thru his high school years, also. 

She could see past all the surface things-inability to look you in the eye, and the self stimulating, and inability to sit still- and truly see the beauty of intelligence and sparkling kind personality that my son possesses.  She actually listened when we voiced our wishes for Joel, and stood next to me in fighting for what Joel needed these past six years. 

Don't get me wrong, it has been no picnic in the park to raise a learning disadvantaged child.  It has profoundly affected us all. We had to adapt a totally different parenting style for Joel, than we did for my younger son, Ryan.  It has caused a lot of friction between my younger son and myself, as he could not see why the rules and expectations were not the same for him as for his brother. He did not see Joel's disabilities, as we only focused on Joel's strengths, so he felt he was unfairly put upon a lot of the time. 

Joel is a very witty intellegent young man.  He has worked his tail off in school and is often on the honor roll list, despite his Aspberger's.  He was a member of the speech and debate team, and also performs publicly reciting cowboy poetry.  (Imagine that for an autistically challenged kid!!)  He spends his summers competing at horse shows, and exhibiting canned goods and leatherwork at the county and state levels.  He is the treasurer for his 4-H club, and is active in FFA.  He was the junior attendant at prom last year. 

Joel has a part time job working at the swimming pool, and is also in business for himself raising and showing suffolk sheep.   

He will graduate along with his brother this May, and plans to go on to college.   

If you have an autistically challenged child, you have to never give up on their abilities and constantly search for ways to facilitate their learning and growth.   

We found that Joel's biggest challenge was that his brain didn't filter anything out.  In a classroom full of kindergarteners, he was receiving all the stimuli in that busy room, and couldn't filter any of it out.  He heard every word the teacher was saying, but also heard the lunch lady talking to the principle in the hall, and the boy next to him's stomach growling, and the sound the forced air furnace made when it turned on.  He was constantly on sensory overload. 

When we were schooling at home, we could limit that noise level to some degree, and then introduce sounds into the background gradually until he could tolerate it.  We also desensitized him gradually to sound when we traveled in the car, by suddenly adjusting the volume levels to the radio in a sporadic fashion for short periods of time.  He was strapped in the seat, and couldn't get away, self tim or run in circles like he could at school, so we gradually worked our way up to tolerating sounds he couldn't control, until he was no longer bothered so much by outside stimuli, and could better focus his energy. 

 
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January 17, 2006, 2:28 pm PST

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My son Jordan was diagnosed with Asperger's a little over a year ago. He will be 11 in April and this is all new to us! I have been struggling with what was different about Jordan since he didn't talk by age two. He finally got help around the age of 3 1/2. But he was always just labeled as student with a disability. I have gone from place to place trying to get a name to what the disability was!! When he entered into school it was a BATTLE every day! Teachers, principles, counselors calling me about my "Bad" child. I was at the point of pulling him out of school and home schooling him. I was so sick of hitting a wall when I tried to get my son help from the professionals and all I got was a run around. FINALLY by a whim I took my son for yet another evaluation where it was finally recognized as Asperger's. This year is the first year Jordan was taken out of public school and put in a school for children with disabilities. Things are going a little better, but Jordan still needs more. And once again I am getting the "dumb" look from everyone about where I can get him help. 

  

Can anyone please help!?! Jordan is about to be a teenager in a few years and this is a new to us. I just want my son to be able to go through life as normal as possible. He is such a loving boy, the sweetest I know. But he keeps getting shoved to the side by the system and I don't want him lost. I just want to get him the help he needs.  

  

It took us 10 years to find out what the disability was, I don't want it to take another 10 years to find the help he needs!! 

  

Thank you for your time!!! 

 
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January 17, 2006, 2:30 pm PST

I have AS

I am sorry to see that AS is portrayed as a condition that makes one act in  a violent manner.  As a very young child I would bite myself and bang my head on the ground and wall.  I would also yell at my parents and say aweful things.  My daughter, who I believe has AS, also bangs her head on the concrete when we are out.  I see, though, that she does it when she is extremely stressed because of her enviroment.  This boy's parents deffinitely encouraged a stressful enviroment at home, and I'm sure school was pretty bad too.  I haven't finished watching the episode, but so far I am very disapointed.  When will Dr Phil do a show about the GOOD things in AS?  How are parents to recognise that their child may have AS when the violent side is what is stressed, and their child isn't particularly violent?

As a side note, when I began homeschooling I experienced alot less stress.  My daughter is HORRIBLE when she comes home from Mother's Day Out (which she attends one day a week for three hours.)  I will most likely homeschool her as well. 

For those who have explosive children, I recomend reading "The Explosive Child."  It really helped alot in understanding myself and my daughter concerning this issue.
 

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January 17, 2006, 2:33 pm PST

Been there

Alex's story rang many bells.  We have been there and the good news is we came out on the other side.  Our son is now 24 years old and a thriving successful entrepeneur with a beautiful girlfriend.  His Aspergers was combined and complicated by OCD and suicidal ideations.  Many of Alex's statements about himself were the exact same statements our son made.  We used a multi faceted approach.  We found a fabulous child psycholgist who worked on his social skills and family dynamics, a psychiatrist who managed his meds and a behavioral therapist who managed his OCD.  We also sent him to a highly structured and consequence oriented school in Arizona that in many ways turned his life around.  He has even written into their alum pages and told them that Fenster was thurning point of his life.  Please feel free to contact me for support.  It was a long and frightening journey.  Mark was different from the day he was born.  But he has now become the butterfly - a loving and caring young man whose struggles have forged him into someone who knows he can surmount anything.
 
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January 17, 2006, 2:36 pm PST

I think I may have tourettes

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I have 2 kids ages 16&13... the 16 year old has aspergers and the 13 year old has Tourettes...Its very hard and demanding rasing 2 kids with special needs... I would love to come talk to Dr.Phil and get some more help as my kids were diagnosed late and I feel that had we known sooner we could have done more to help them in life...Lynne in Michigan

Hello, I am 25 years old.  I can remember having little tics ever since I was in school.. My mom took me to a doctor when I was in the first grade because I had a few tics.  They would change from time to to as they do now.  The doctor told my mom that there are millions of people walking around with tourettes every day that don't know it and it doens't effect them.  I have all kinds of things I do that really bother me.  I make the noises with my throat and hope others can't hear them.  I move my eyes and eyebrows around, I jerk my legs and feet, I move a finger just a certain way.. sometimes aI do some of these things so much it begins to hurt!!  I am very embarrassed to go to the doctor and talk about it.  When I do talk about it, I think about everything I do and then I feel like I have to try so hard at that moment not to do them.  I have even had people ask me why do you do that?  Or, what's wrong with your eye, what are you doing with it.. and I'll just say, Oh, I had something in it... I"m 25 years old!!  Nobody wants to admitt that they have these problems.  I'm so embarrased about them.. The doctors I go to I work with in Surgery as well.  I don't feel comfortable even going to my own doctors and telling them my problems since I work so closely with them in surgery.  I"m afraid they will look at me differently like I have a disorder that they are treating and I'm not normal as they are.  I already have a neurologist for migraines.  But then again, I work with him in surgery too.  People see me as a nice, well respected young woman who is good at her job and great with people.  It would just bother me if they new I had these problems.  I know I need to talk to someone.  I don't want my tics to get out of hand for me.  I control them very well.  My parents don't even notice them that much.  They have said something to me about them before, but I think they just are used to them.  I talked to my mom today about feeling this way and she said she doesn't think they are as bad as I think they are.  I told her that they don't notice how many times I do something and how many different things I do.  It is all I can do to concentrate on NOT doing one of the tics I have.  What should I do?  There are some illnesses in the family.  I have an uncle with Schizophrenia, and 2 aunts that I know of with Bi-polar disorder.  I'm sure there are more.  What type of doctor should I see and what is the brain scan that they performed to see if you have tourettes?  This is something I want to take care of now while it is still unnoticeable by most people.   

  

Crystal 

 
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January 17, 2006, 2:37 pm PST

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I didn't  watch today's show but my mother told me about it.  I immediately went to the website to register my comments about the benefits of a GF/CF diet.  You beat me to it!  My son is diagnosed as High-Functioning Autistic.  We've had him on the GF/CF diet for nearly two years and I often wonder why parents don't give it a try!  I can't believe this diet wasn't even mentioned on the show as something that 'might' help that poor child and his family. The difference in my son's behavior is phenomenal!!!!  In fact, it's more noticable when he 'cheats' - for instance, my husband let him have pizza last friday and today he had his worst day ever at school.  I believe parents are doing an extreme disservice by not putting their ASD children on this diet.  Aside from today's bad behavior, nobody can tell my son isn't 'normal'.  He's in full-day Kindergarten with no Special Ed.  A joy.
I would love to try the GF/CF diet for my son i have read alot about it and the benefits of it however if you are a low income single parent (I recieve nothing from his father) it is not all that easy.  Finding foods like that is one thing affording them is another. I am sure you know how many things contain these.  So to comment on a parent doing their child a diservice if they dont put their child on this diet is like saying we are a bad parent.  I have yet to find an organization that will help defray the cost of the diet I would love to have my son on.  So in theory it sounds great in reality it is not always possible.
 

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January 17, 2006, 2:38 pm PST

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My son has been struggling since he attended his first day at school and he is now 14 years old. He first was treated for ADHD with medication when he was 8 years old, then our problems really started to esculate. With the medications prescribed over the years, brought out a more intensifed problem, the tics that were always there but more defined. My son was later diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome with ADHD, OCD and a disorder of written expression. We have yet to find a happy medium with medication that will treat these disorders with out all of the trying side affects. 

Anyone with any advise??? 

Sherry in British Columbia 

I grew up with ADHD and the meds helped a lot but they aren't for everyone. In my case I had very mild Tourettes. The meds (ritalin) made this worse but it still wasn't bad enought to warrant not taking them. This however isn't always the case for everyone. You have to experiment around and work with your doctor and psychologist to find the best combination of meds, traditional therapy and academic intervention. It's often a mixture of all three of those things and sometimes meds just aren't the answer. You just have to keep trying. Study on your own and keep up on the research. You know your son better than anyone so make sure you are part of the team.  

  

I know this isn't the advice you were looking for but there just isn't any one answer. Some advice I give to kids with ADHD and other learning disorders is to learn how to learn.  

  

"Learn how you work best and use that. The schools are doing better with kids like you but they are still far from perfect. Learn how you understand things and follow your own lead. Find things that interest you and find everything you can about those.  You don't need a school to do everthing for you in fact the schools just aren't equipped to handle someone with your unique gifts. Those gifts are there. You only have to find them. I know this because I had to do the same." 

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 2:39 pm PST

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My son Jordan was diagnosed with Asperger's a little over a year ago. He will be 11 in April and this is all new to us! I have been struggling with what was different about Jordan since he didn't talk by age two. He finally got help around the age of 3 1/2. But he was always just labeled as student with a disability. I have gone from place to place trying to get a name to what the disability was!! When he entered into school it was a BATTLE every day! Teachers, principles, counselors calling me about my "Bad" child. I was at the point of pulling him out of school and home schooling him. I was so sick of hitting a wall when I tried to get my son help from the professionals and all I got was a run around. FINALLY by a whim I took my son for yet another evaluation where it was finally recognized as Asperger's. This year is the first year Jordan was taken out of public school and put in a school for children with disabilities. Things are going a little better, but Jordan still needs more. And once again I am getting the "dumb" look from everyone about where I can get him help. 

  

Can anyone please help!?! Jordan is about to be a teenager in a few years and this is a new to us. I just want my son to be able to go through life as normal as possible. He is such a loving boy, the sweetest I know. But he keeps getting shoved to the side by the system and I don't want him lost. I just want to get him the help he needs.  

  

It took us 10 years to find out what the disability was, I don't want it to take another 10 years to find the help he needs!! 

  

Thank you for your time!!! 

There's so many books with great info, and lots of online resources.  I'm member of a homeschool asperger's group.  You don't have to be a homeschooler to join. www.aslearningathome.com

I have AS.  I'm 26.  I have a daughter, 3, who also has AS.  I would be happy to help anyway I can. 
 
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January 17, 2006, 2:41 pm PST

Son with Tourettes

       I "diagnosed" our son's Tourettes. I am a dentist and a Neurologist had dismissed our concern. But a follow up confirmed it. He was on meds that really were not a help....we are supportive. he is a highly intelligent lad, good supportive friends. And as good fortune would have it he has an amazing gift in Music. I won't reveal his name but he is now in a music production 

course. He tells me that his amazing guitar licks are "Tics" so he has adapted to his problem in a positive way. 

     Great show and very supportive. 

 
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January 17, 2006, 2:41 pm PST

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I am engaged to a wonderful man that has 2 twin daughter's thats austic. I'm still learning on how to handle them and how to cope with them at times. I dont know how to show them if they do something bad, so they would understand not to do it again.  They can not speak at all, and their dad has stressful times with them.  

    

  Is there anyone out there that could shine some light on how to cope with the girls when they cant speak. 

 

 

                         christa 

 
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