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Does your child rage, scream and kick doors? Is his or her behavior the typical brattiness of a spoiled child, or involuntary behavior beyond the child's control? Dr. Phil sheds light on a pair of widely misunderstood extreme neurological disorders. First, he looks at Asperger's syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism which can cause a person to lack control over his or her emotions, including anger. Rich and Karen's 15-year-old son, Alex, was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 6. His sudden fits of rage and erratic behavior have put a strain on his whole family. Should his parents be afraid of Alex, or is there something they can do to bring his behavior under control? Plus, Craig, 37, can't control his physical tics, nor can he keep from constantly uttering obscenities, literally hundreds of times a day. Craig suffers from Tourette syndrome, an affliction that's gotten so bad, he won't go into grocery stores, movie theatres or any public place for fear he'll be kicked out. What will the disorder mean for his plans to start a family? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 17, 2006, 9:26 am PST

Twin son with aspergers

I have 6 yr old twin boys , one of them diagnosed as having aspergers, i have always known something was different about him, but everyone pretty much told me i was paranoid because these are my only children.....paranoid for good reason...i am worried about his future in school and  in the real world after school.....Is meds a nessecity? Id rather not have him medicated. Please any support would be greatly appreciated.
 
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January 17, 2006, 9:27 am PST

feel your pain

Hi, 

  

 I saw the show today by cooincindence and was a bit dissapointed.  My 11 year old son was just diagnosed with ASD and has also been diagnosed in the past with mild Sensory Integration Dysfunction.  He doesn't have the bad anger issues as your son does but rather like the email from Hootas? and  gets overloaded ath days end and develops an attitude of intolerance towards others. 

  

He has a problem with classroom outbursts of inappropriate strange sayings or singing with refusal to stop and also social interaction problems.  He is highly intelligent and a gifted artist with a heart of gold. He really would prefer to be left alone which his very hard to watch as a parent.  You naturally wish your child to be blessed with friends and to play with them.   

  

I would love to see more doctors and schools work with families in the area of training  families and teachers how to deal with these problems together and can only imagine the  amount of couples who divorce over this parenting cahllenge.  Living with a child who has Asperger's can be so frustrating especially when out in public as it can be embarassing.  It definitely puts a strain on your marriage.  The constant battles leave you with no energy for your spouse or other children.  We are currently working with a counselor and trying to develop some at -school behaviour contracts so we'll see if we go anywhere.  I wish you all the best with your son and hope to see more about Asperger's on Dr. Phil in the future.  ep 

 
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January 17, 2006, 9:38 am PST

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Dr. Phil Thank you for your show today on extreme disorders, my son has TS and it took several years to diagnose him.  I appreciate the public awareness that is occurring to bring understanding to these amazing disorders. High Five to Craig for coming on the show, getting on that plane and speaking to the public about what he has been through.  I am so happy they plan on having children as well, they will have a wonderful set of coaches and mentors ready to go…..  I also appreciate the parents and child with Asperser’s Syndrome.  They were all very brave to been filmed in their home.  They will help so many families by their appearance.   God Bless them for staying together as parents and loving their child despite the difficulty the disorder has brought to their home.  I wish to  add a bit more awareness to TS and that is not all people affected by TS have “EXTREME” symptoms.  By that I mean that not everyone curses or suffers from extreme tics.  My advocacy is to help bring awareness on a broader spectrum. As Craig mentioned today they wax & wane.  Sometimes the symptoms act as if they completely disappear which gives society the impression that they can control TS.  In our case, throat clearing, neck tics, blurting out (without cursing), arm tics…….not to mention the other secondary disorders which most times accompany TS for us it is OCD. They change, they increase in severity, decrease in severity and then sometimes disappear and reappear as another new tic? Our society is so quick to place a band-aid on a child and not willing to take the time to properly spend trying to figure out what is going on with a child, we want to  right now and in most cases that simply cannot be done with a test or a visit, it is situations over a period of time or years and finding specialists that are committed to helping your child.  I have been blessed to finally gather a wonderful group of physicians that administer to and lovingly handle my child and that took many years.  I hope that on the next segment speaking on this topic there will be a variety of situations given to help many parents who are trying to help their children.  I love my son and am very proud of who he is which is just wonderful.  Thank you Dr. Phil, High Five on another GREAT JOB J 

  

 

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January 17, 2006, 9:39 am PST

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i have a 5 year old son and he was diagnosed with adhd. he shows the symptoms of aspergers but no one will listen. he has a wrap-around who comes all through the week and he takes adderall xr and there is no change in him. his regular phsychologist shot me down at the mere suggestion of aspergers syndrom. i applied for s.s.i for him and went to their phsychologist and he agreed with me . his doctor wont change his meds until he gets a report from this other phsychologist. now we havent heard back from him since before christmas...uuuugggghhhh!!!! what do i do now? i am confused, frustrated, worried and at my wits end......HELP ME!!!

 If I were you ,I would  take him to a different phsychologist , and get him rediagnosed. I have 2 children with asperger syndrome. My son is very hyperactive, but we don't have him on any meds. I have learned calming skills and taught the school  what to do also. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't lol. I feel that meds just cover up the problem and that children like this need to learn how to calm themselves down. Its hard to find the right people, that know what they are talking about. My son had 3 different diagnoses before I took him to childrens hospital developmental unit and they finally gave me some help. I hope you find something out soon.        

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January 17, 2006, 9:47 am PST

i go to alex's high school

I just wanted to say that i am currently go to Alex's high school! i am a friend of his and he is one of the nicest people i have ever met. He is the kind of person that you WANT to be friends with.  He is the kind of person that is very well liked by everyone.  I just want to wish the best of luck to Alex and his family!
 
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January 17, 2006, 9:51 am PST

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I watched the show today (normally at work) because I was very interested when I saw Alex and his behavioral issues.  I also have a 17 yr old son Joe with Klinefelter Syndrom and have experienced concerns with social behavior problems with my son for years.  My son was diagnosed at age 9 after years of trying to find out what was wrong with him.  After the diagnosis and medical treatment we are still left with serious issues to deal with currently and in the near future.  Insurance - where does he get health insurance when he is considered an adult with on going medical (although not life threatning, but most certainly life impacting) concerns.  How do I get him into the  working world when he is and looks very normal yet social skills are less than perfect, due to lack of motivation and logic skills.  I worry that he will not be able to sustain a normal existance where he can take care of himself.  I fee like he will always require my guidence and help, yet I won't be here forever.  What is a parent to do to alieviate this fear (of what will happen to them when your no longer there to be an advocate for them) which I am sure All Parents with kids that have problems face.   A very worried Mom

You bring up many real concerns.  For ongoing medical insurance coverage check with your county's MRDD board.  If his situation is considered to be a lifelong disability - often it will be covered by Social Security or Medicare thru them. 

For entrance into the working world - Again start with your local county MRDD and also look for "job coaches".  They will have invaluable information as to employers most sympathetic about working with individuals with special needs.  They'll also help with interviews, filling out applications, job training, etc. 

For concerns about independent living - ask at the county MRDD for referals to possible group homes in your area.  Lutheran Social Services have an umbrella approach and offer senior care facilities and MRDD homes, and other group living situations to accomodate special needs adults. 

For providing an ongoing advocate for him, look into a "Special Needs Estate Planner".   

 
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January 17, 2006, 10:19 am PST

Sounds like Us

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I have a 16 year old son with a severe case of Aspergers and 5 other kids at home that makes life very stressful.  We feel out of control of our lives, so I can relate very well with the parents on the show.   I have all of the same feelings of guilt, anxiety, and of being overwelmed.  We have been through many therapist, doctors, groups and medication trying to find ways to get a handle on him.  This last year has been the worst year of his and our lives.  We even had to hospitalize him for a short while because we were afraid for his and our safety.  I am glad to see Dr. Phil have a show on this disorder because most people have no idea what it is and how it effects the family.  When you say your child has Aspergers most just look at you funny and say I've never heard of that.  I just hope that more treatment options will be available for the average family living with this disorder in the future, because it is very diffucult getting the right help. 
Much of what you wrote could have been Me writing my own entry. My son is 16 and has finally gotten a Dr to actually write Asperger's in his file. I've had all the feelings you wrote, including how others give you that look when you mention the problem. Even Drs have treated me like i was crazy, when i told them about Gabe's autistic behavior. I noticed it since he was a baby. His rages only happened at home and got scary violent as he grew into a teen. He used to have fits at the grocery store as a toddler- he couldn't stand sitting in that cart!, so i just stopped taking him. He acted perfectly in most public places, and his intelligent, polite adult-like talk made others think he was the ideal child. We also hospitalized him last yr, age 14, and finally got him on a mood stabilizer to control the anger outbursts. He has been diagnosed with many things, from oppostional defiance to one Dr recommending i pursue a full ADHD evaluation. But i had already researched ADHD when Gabe was 2, and although Aspie's have similar symptoms, it's really from different brain neurology causing the autistic spectrum symptoms. When he was 14 and emotionally shut down, he was diagnosed with depression. Zoloft caused him to react more violently out-of-control than anytime in his life, which is an indication of bi-polar. So he then got the diagnosis of Mood Disorder NOS, since he didn't quite meet the criteria of Bi-polar. His current Psychiatrist says the AS is the foundational problem that results in the mood swing eruptions. But we still are trying to get help for him, more than the med to stabilize moods. He struggles with all the social problems and since he's so well behaved at school, no one sees any problem. They think it's just a personality thing- "Oh, he's quiet, just not social... lots of people are like that." We get all that minimizing, trying to "help" us. I don't want help pretending he is not struggling secretly inside and so drained and anxious trying to function and fit it. So, i too agree with you that i sure hope there's some more help out there soon. I know there are brain imaging scans that can validate the problem, even though i read in autistic books to the contrary. Many people are ignorant, not only about these diagnostic tools, but the many treatment options that have really helped ASD people actually IMPROVE and lead a much more peaceful and productive life. I know about this from reading, but WHERE in OHIO can i get this help?
 
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January 17, 2006, 10:22 am PST

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I have 6 yr old twin boys , one of them diagnosed as having aspergers, i have always known something was different about him, but everyone pretty much told me i was paranoid because these are my only children.....paranoid for good reason...i am worried about his future in school and  in the real world after school.....Is meds a nessecity? Id rather not have him medicated. Please any support would be greatly appreciated.
  I don't believe in meds either. I have 2 children with asperger also. They are still young, but I think they are doing very well with out meds. They are in school and are learning . We have taught them calming skills, and they work most of the time. I was told that meds usually  dont work on asperger children.  good luck. 
 
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January 17, 2006, 10:27 am PST

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I want to thank Dr. Phil and his staff for doing this show about Asperger’s. My son (who just turned 8 this week) was diagnosed with high functioning autism when he was 3 years old but only on my encouragement – ‘boys are like that’ is what I was told when I started to voice my concerns almost 2 years before. Everyday has been a struggle for us. He yells, hits, kicks and screams at us for everything. His frustration level for everything is extremely high. He has an extremely high level of anxiety in so much that his average day at school will leave him so upset that it will ruin the rest of the day for him and the rest of the family. School work is difficult because he might not get the right answer and the work he does never turns out the way it should in his mind. His fine motor skills are lacking and it is just too hard for him to come up with an idea and then have to concentrate on getting the idea on paper while trying to make all those letters turn into words and words into sentences. He puts himself down and hits himself in the legs and head when he is frustrated. Even video games make him incredibly upset which leaves very few things that are fun to him. Toys never work like they do on TV – Lego has to be built exactly as it is shown on the box and in the same colours – there are so many things.

  

 

Even though I know the world is full of kids like my son Danny and Alex from the show I always feel that we are so alone in dealing with this. No one seems to understand just what we have to go through day after day dealing with the same problems every single day. We have even had people recommend things to ‘bring him out of his shell’! People think he is stubborn or spoiled and should be forced to do things. I don’t think there is any child in the world that would throw a 15 minute fit because they need to wear rain boots instead of snow boots in the winter. I don’t think other kids would complain every day for 6 weeks about wearing a new jacket when the old one was way to small and full of tears. Other kids don’t talk about missing the kitchen wallpaper border for 4 years after it has been gone or the old washing machine that broke down 5 years ago.

  

 

In the last few months I have taken to moving the knives in the kitchen off the counter and to a more secure less accessable spot. Sharp tools are so far back in the closet that my son would give up from frustration long before he could get to them. You would be hard pressed to find a match or lighter anywhere in our house and even corrosive chemicals do not come into our home. My little boy tells us often that he is going to kill us and that he wants to blow up the school.

  

 

 He is terribly bullied at school. The other boys get him to do things that they know he will get in trouble for. They push and hit him and get him in trouble for things that he doesn’t do because they know he gets into trouble for other things he cannot control. He swears all the time now and he has picked this up at school. He just doesn’t know that this should be kept from the adults like the other kids do. I worry about his safety as he gets older. He hates the 2nd grade and knowing that there is still 10 more years of school after this sends him into an anxiety induced rage. He would be more than happy to never go to school again and at times so would I!

  

 

Anyway, in all this I just wanted to say to Alex that you are one brave young man and I hope that my son grows up to be just like you in another 7-8 years. You show a lot of compassion for your family and those around you. You care about them even though this is something that I know can be difficult for you. Thank you Alex for having the courage to let people see you at worst. Even if this show opened the eyes of one person I would say that what you did was worth the incredible effort you had to make. I know Karen that you must feel the same way as me at the end of the day - maybe when you check him when he is asleep and so at peace with the stress completely gone from his face  - relief that you made it through another day and worry that maybe someday you won’t.

  

 

Liz

  

 

 When I read this, it was like you were living in my house and talking about my son. He is the same way . Keep you head up, you are not alone.
 
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January 17, 2006, 10:33 am PST

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We just found out that my 11 year old son has Tourettes, OCD and ADD. I knew that he symptoms since he's been about 4 years old, but I couldn't get a doctor to diagnose until now. As overwelming as it is me and my son are dealing with his condtion everyday, but the rest of the family is in denial. They think it is like a cold and it will just go away. It makes it hard for us because we don't know how to explain how serious these disorders can be. My son comes home from school and he is extremely stressed because the teachers are always yelling at him, and the kids are beating him up. It just breaks my heart that I can't be there to protected him. I've gone to the school and tried to get an IEP set up, I've talk with the school staff about my sons condition but things don't seem to change. It's like I am fighting a loseing battle. The doctors put him on meds, but I don't see much of a change if anything I think his disorders have gotten worse. As a mother I do everything that I can to support my son, but sometimes I get so overwelmed and frustrated because I don't know what to do to make a normal life for my child. If someone can give me some ideas or advise I would really appreciate it. Thanks  

I wrote this letter before I seen your show, but I'm still seeking any information I can to help my son get through this tough time. My son can handle the Tourettes for the most parts, he is just having a real hard time dealing with the negitive and crule society.I have been looking for a  support group in my area, No luck yet, but I'll continue to search everyday. Thank you! 

 
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