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Does your child rage, scream and kick doors? Is his or her behavior the typical brattiness of a spoiled child, or involuntary behavior beyond the child's control? Dr. Phil sheds light on a pair of widely misunderstood extreme neurological disorders. First, he looks at Asperger's syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism which can cause a person to lack control over his or her emotions, including anger. Rich and Karen's 15-year-old son, Alex, was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 6. His sudden fits of rage and erratic behavior have put a strain on his whole family. Should his parents be afraid of Alex, or is there something they can do to bring his behavior under control? Plus, Craig, 37, can't control his physical tics, nor can he keep from constantly uttering obscenities, literally hundreds of times a day. Craig suffers from Tourette syndrome, an affliction that's gotten so bad, he won't go into grocery stores, movie theatres or any public place for fear he'll be kicked out. What will the disorder mean for his plans to start a family? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 17, 2006, 2:59 pm PST

living with extreme disorders as they grown into adulthoood

 My son has all of the symptoms described since he was 10 years old.  C stopped going to school in the seventh grade after numerous complaints about his behavior, disruptive, he loved scaring people with violent drawings and wrote papers that scared his adult teachers so when  just quit going, they all breathed a sigh of relief.  Dont think I didnt try, believe me I did, he resisted any treatment, he conned this therapist,  and as he has aged it has sent him spiraling out of control and into a hell all his own.
He is 22 now and "living" in another town, one we are originally from,  on a couch in  a friends living room, because he hates every job he gets, he says everyone hates him.  He doesnt eat regularly, he calls me in the early morning hours not having slept in days, he is crying and yelling and screaming and I can do nothing.  This is a true hell.  His father committed suicide three years ago, and I live knowing he will eventually do the same.  I have tried and tried to get help for him, he resists all help, he thinks I just want to "lock him up".  I just want my son to have a somewhat normal life.  LIke a lot of your sons he was put into gifted classes in the third grade.  He is a talented artist and musician and lives to watch movies, he reads books that I have a hard time understanding, but this is all for naught.  I want desperately to save my son but dont know how.  I hope soon that DrP will have a follow up program  that will shed some light on treatment.   When I did get help for my son at around age 14, he conned his therapist, didnt take his meds and was murderously brutual to me,  he absolutely refuses to let me help in any way.  I have hit a dead end.
 
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January 17, 2006, 3:03 pm PST

Hang in there

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My son has been struggling since he attended his first day at school and he is now 14 years old. He first was treated for ADHD with medication when he was 8 years old, then our problems really started to esculate. With the medications prescribed over the years, brought out a more intensifed problem, the tics that were always there but more defined. My son was later diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome with ADHD, OCD and a disorder of written expression. We have yet to find a happy medium with medication that will treat these disorders with out all of the trying side affects. 

Anyone with any advise??? 

Sherry in British Columbia 

Hang in there.  If you have found medication that works stick to it.  Just know that will change as he grows.  Tics wax and wan especially during the puberty years.  Stress is the key factor and if you are able to advocate for him at school for modifications then go for it.  My son also has disorder of written expression and has the option of doing his work by computer  or answering orally and for things that have to be written, defined instructions, nothing ambiguous or abstract with unlimited time to complete the assignment.  Reducing the stress factor reduces the need to tic.  Also, can he leave the class for a 'break' to tic?  Sometimes suppressing becomes stressful and if he has a chance to release the tics it could help his concentration in class.  Suppression takes focus away from the task at hand. Therapy is important.  He needs to learn and understand himself and learn the triggers to self manage as he gets older.  Our children have been traveling the same road.  As far as meds are concerned, Topamax had been great especialy with vocal tics. There is weight as an inital sideeffect but that subsides after a while.
 

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January 17, 2006, 3:06 pm PST

Hi i need some info. on aspergers

Hi I have a son that is now 16 and at age 3 they said he had ADHD and explosive disorder, well about 4 years ago they said no he is bipoler well after seeing the show today when I  saw how Alex is and everything Karen and Rich is and has gone throw it was like looking at my life and my sons life on tv. Can you tell me what test they did on Alex and what meds he is on , or any help you can give me , even Dr. names, we need any help we can get. the meds my son have been on has never helped and i have a list a mile long. Or if any one can give me any info. on this please. My email is sjones7375@aol.com Thank you so much for sharing your story I really know where your coming form and i know how hard it is on you and your son, i wolud love to talk to you or anyone going throw this and thank you dr. Phil for showing this show.
 
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January 17, 2006, 3:07 pm PST

So proud of our 13 yr old w/ TS

Our son was diagnosed with TS back in 2001.  So little was known about it then, that putting him on meds was litterally like shooting blindfolded.  We have tried just about every antipsychotic(that's what they're categorized as) drug out there, and with every one, the side effects were too extreme.  One word of advice.  The 1st neurologist that we went to, put him on ORAP.  STAY AWAY!!!  It can do serious damage to the heart and the muscles around it.  The 2nd doctor that we went to wanted to know if they had done an EKG on him to make sure that he didn't have previous heart problems.  When I found out that it should have been the 1st thing that the 1st Dr. should have done, we were livid.  Everything turned out fine, but only by the grace of God.  6 years of bullying later and NO DRUGS, he is so comfortable with himself that I have to feel like we are doing something right.  The tics are still very prevelent, but being as he is 13 now, and very mature for his age, we left it up to him as to whether or not he wanted to continue with the Staterra. (Dr's last drug of choice).  He chose to stop taking meds completely.  It's very bad at times, but he deals with it better than we do.  

  

When he started the 4th grade, I encouraged him to talk to the school psychologist and see about making up a presentation to do in front of his entire grade.  He was thrilled to do it, and for the next 2 years, he was asked to make a presentation to the older grades in the elementary. The principal said he was the 1st child she had ever met, that had TS. She has been at that school for 20 years. I had no idea that encouraging him to do something that I thought was just going to make him more comfortable, along with the children in his class, would turn out to be something that would make him almost proud that he has it.  He realizes that it DOES make him different, and the people who have special problems, often have more to offer society.  2 years ago, we moved to Wichita KS, and he had to start another new school.  After being poked with needles on the bus, and being threatened by a child that "wanted a knife so he could "shut my son up", Tanner has insisted that he start off every year telling his classmates precisely what he has with no quams about it. He has that presentation down to a fine art now:)  He has tons of friends, and has been voted by the students and the teachers, student of the year. 

I have been told that with puberty setting in, it will either get better, or progressively get worse.  Whatever God decides we can handle, we will deal with, until then, we just pray that his attitude towards it, continues to not let it stop him.  He's very active in soccer, cross-country and many other sports, so don't let anyone tell you that it will impede their performance.   

  

Interesting side bar---we have horses, and I have recently been made aware of a study that has been done on kids with TS and Equine therapy.  I have been doing it with him for about the last 4 months, and the tics have drastically declined.  It's amazing.  It supposedly teaches them balance, concentration, and many other traits that help them control the tics.  I don't know the specifics about the study, but if you want to e-mail me, I can find out for you.  Or you might just search under Equine therapy for Tourettes Syndrome.  niesaj@hotmail.com 

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 3:10 pm PST

01/17 Extreme Disorders

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I grew up with ADHD and the meds helped a lot but they aren't for everyone. In my case I had very mild Tourettes. The meds (ritalin) made this worse but it still wasn't bad enought to warrant not taking them. This however isn't always the case for everyone. You have to experiment around and work with your doctor and psychologist to find the best combination of meds, traditional therapy and academic intervention. It's often a mixture of all three of those things and sometimes meds just aren't the answer. You just have to keep trying. Study on your own and keep up on the research. You know your son better than anyone so make sure you are part of the team.  

  

I know this isn't the advice you were looking for but there just isn't any one answer. Some advice I give to kids with ADHD and other learning disorders is to learn how to learn.  

  

"Learn how you work best and use that. The schools are doing better with kids like you but they are still far from perfect. Learn how you understand things and follow your own lead. Find things that interest you and find everything you can about those.  You don't need a school to do everthing for you in fact the schools just aren't equipped to handle someone with your unique gifts. Those gifts are there. You only have to find them. I know this because I had to do the same." 

  

My son has Tourettes and  is now 13 . He was diagnosed when he was 5.  He takes meds that help control his TICs. It has been a struggle,and a very hard road for him so far. We have had the Tourettes Association President come to his school and speak with his teachers to help them understand and learn how to help my son.  He has an IEP at school, which I greatly make sure that is followed. My son and I have faith in God. We know that although God didnt do this to him, God is using my son to help others with thier problems.  There are times where he crys and gets mad that he has this disorder. It hurts at times to me to see my child suffer. Every TIC and every child is different. My other two younger sons dont have the disorder, thankfully. Get every kind of help you can for your child. We are the greatest advocates for them. Be involved. Talk with neurolgists, teachers, family and most importantly your child.  Keep them informed on what is going on with them. They are just children.  God bless you family!
 
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January 17, 2006, 3:11 pm PST

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Thanks to Dr. Phil we see the light at the end of a very long tunnel.  It is true I have not taken care of myself or my relationship with my husband and I have felt extremely angry for some time.  Not angry at Alex but at not being the Parent who can fix it all and make the home like the perfect family from the 50's and 60's.  Ok, I know there was no perfect family however TV and Movies are deceiving.  But I want him to have the best life he can and I want to be able to relax and not worry about the not so NORMAL things.   

  

Example, last night after the Basketball Game Alex got a ride home with friends.  We left the game at 9:30 p.m. and there was 1 minute left of play (they won).  Alex didn't get home for another 90 minutes.  Under typical circumstances I would have been a worriesome mother, last night I was not just a worriesome mother but I was worrying beyond belief.  Was he calm, was he raging, had he run off due to anger, or was he being a Teenager and not thinking things through and in an environment not appropriate for him.... 

  

I had to hold back when he walked in happy, calm and unaware that it took an extra hour or so to get home.  He actually walked in, told us how the game finished, who brought him home and how they had to dropped off two other people first (the driver's girlfriend and her friend) on the opposite side of the community. 

  

Since I am always waiting for the other shoe to drop I am always ready to jump in on things..........luckily along with getting Alex some help I have found someone who I too will be working with to help me get through life (my life).  I look forward to working with viewers like yourself who can help me and I in turn will be able to help.  Reaching out getting the support we need for ourselves and our families is what will bring us all WELLNESS. 

  

Thanks for you support, Karen 

It's interesting how children with disabilities can bring together families and tear them apart at the same time.  My 17 year-old brother is autistic, while he's pretty docile, he throws fits sometimes that are a little hard to control.  I am 20 years old and i've watched my parents be on the brink of divorce several times.  I love my brother more than anything else in the entire world, and I'm living away from home and he's the one I miss the most.  I guess you just have to get to the point where you can see that the fact that you have a child/brother/sister with special needs is so much a blessing, that it can/will outweigh all the troubles.  Best of luck to you and your family.  You'll be in my thoughts and Prayers.  
 
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January 17, 2006, 3:11 pm PST

PPD-NOS

I have an 8 yr old son who has been through every type of testing possible.  He has to many signs of autism to ignore but not enough to give him that diagnosis.    He has apraxia, developmental delay, speech delay...  Our major problem is his obsession with food.  We haven't been able to pinpoint what is going on, he gained over 30lbs in a very short time, we had his thyroid tested and also tested for diabetes.  We are at a loss.  If anyone has any ideas where to turn to next it would be great. 

  

Thanks, 

Leslie 

 
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January 17, 2006, 3:13 pm PST

HELP

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I would love to try the GF/CF diet for my son i have read alot about it and the benefits of it however if you are a low income single parent (I recieve nothing from his father) it is not all that easy.  Finding foods like that is one thing affording them is another. I am sure you know how many things contain these.  So to comment on a parent doing their child a diservice if they dont put their child on this diet is like saying we are a bad parent.  I have yet to find an organization that will help defray the cost of the diet I would love to have my son on.  So in theory it sounds great in reality it is not always possible.
I know it's overwhelming.  My son will only eat plain potato chips, french fries, breakfast sausage, rice, mashed potatoes, chicken, roast beef, spaghetti and applesauce.  All of those things are things you eat right now and don't cost a fortune.  I do buy animal cookies for him which are expensive - $6 per box - but they are a treat for him which he does not get every day.  I'm sorry for the words I used-what I mean is that it is worth it.  If I have to pack my lunch instead of buy, I do it.  We are fortunate that we don't smoke or drink anyway so we didn't have to think about cutting out those things; we do without a lot.  We are also fortunate to live in a state which provides wonderful wraparound services.  Dr. Faber accepts Medical Assistance (which we have for Max) so we don't have to pay for any of his care, including blood tests, private speech therapy, occupational therapy, etc..  Also, our daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes 3 months after our son was diagnosed with autism so we have many medical expenses for her.
 
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January 17, 2006, 3:14 pm PST

Written expression???

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Hang in there.  If you have found medication that works stick to it.  Just know that will change as he grows.  Tics wax and wan especially during the puberty years.  Stress is the key factor and if you are able to advocate for him at school for modifications then go for it.  My son also has disorder of written expression and has the option of doing his work by computer  or answering orally and for things that have to be written, defined instructions, nothing ambiguous or abstract with unlimited time to complete the assignment.  Reducing the stress factor reduces the need to tic.  Also, can he leave the class for a 'break' to tic?  Sometimes suppressing becomes stressful and if he has a chance to release the tics it could help his concentration in class.  Suppression takes focus away from the task at hand. Therapy is important.  He needs to learn and understand himself and learn the triggers to self manage as he gets older.  Our children have been traveling the same road.  As far as meds are concerned, Topamax had been great especialy with vocal tics. There is weight as an inital sideeffect but that subsides after a while.
Our son was diagnosed with TS 6 years ago.  We moved 2 years ago and found a wonderful school that really worked with him as far as letting him take tests orally and many of the things that they have done for your son.  I am not familiar with "written expression".  Where would I find out about it?  He has terrible penmanship, and takes forever to get things down on paper.  His vocabulary is amazing, and he's an awesome speller, but hates to read and hates to write.  Any ideas you have would be greatly appreciated.
 
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January 17, 2006, 3:14 pm PST

Aspergers

While watching the show today, I was startled at how the description of aspergers and its symptoms matched so well with my sons behavior. He is 9 and has been having symptoms since he was about 5. I never knew what it was...I just thought he was being a "brat" at first. I have had many people tell me they think he is bipolar, though he has never been diagnosed, I actually started to think maybe thats what it was, but after watching the show on aspergers, that description fits his behavior much better...can anyone help me understand it a little better. 

 
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