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Does your child rage, scream and kick doors? Is his or her behavior the typical brattiness of a spoiled child, or involuntary behavior beyond the child's control? Dr. Phil sheds light on a pair of widely misunderstood extreme neurological disorders. First, he looks at Asperger's syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism which can cause a person to lack control over his or her emotions, including anger. Rich and Karen's 15-year-old son, Alex, was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 6. His sudden fits of rage and erratic behavior have put a strain on his whole family. Should his parents be afraid of Alex, or is there something they can do to bring his behavior under control? Plus, Craig, 37, can't control his physical tics, nor can he keep from constantly uttering obscenities, literally hundreds of times a day. Craig suffers from Tourette syndrome, an affliction that's gotten so bad, he won't go into grocery stores, movie theatres or any public place for fear he'll be kicked out. What will the disorder mean for his plans to start a family? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 17, 2006, 3:45 pm PST

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I have a beautiful little girl who is 8.  I have had her to a Dr. and a Therapist..  The Dr. said to give her an anger pillow.  She never acted up in front of the therapist.  She will get mad and hit herself, bang her head into a wall and throw things.  She used to shove the grocery cart at me.  She says I hate myself and I don't know I am even here.  I am at my witts end.  She can go from nice to nasty in 0 to 60 sec.  She just tries to defie me.  I don't know what to do, or what to exactly say to her Dr. in order for them to take this serious.  She is great in school, but gets picked on and doesn't take it well.  Please if anyone has any advise, I can use it!! 

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January 17, 2006, 3:49 pm PST

having a healthy, happy child with Asperger's Syndrome

My son is 11 years old and has AS. Life has not always been easy with him and things finally "fit" when we got our diagnosis. We could look back and understand and say "Ah hah!" about things that he did even as a baby. Though I am HAPPY with the greater concentration of attention that Asperger's is getting lately, I am not at all thrilled with the direction that attention is taking it. It seems that most people don't feel like children with AS have to learn to control themselves and that you just have to say "Oh well, it's not his fault cause he doesn't understand." BULL!!! My son has always been taught that there are consequences to inappropriate behavior and therefore has learned to control his temper tantrums. Was it easy? No but it was worth it in the long run! My child started having his fits when he was about a year and a half. They would last for hours and it was due to him also being extremely sensitive to sounds and lights (which is a trait common with lots of aspies). A counselor reccommended me taking him in a quiet, dark room and holding him down until he calmed down. It may seem extreme to some people but he learned and after LESS THAN A WEEK his tantrum would stop the moment we stepped into our "holding room." I didn't hold him down meanly, just forcefully and talked very soothingly and calmly to him and it would calm him and it taught him how to calm himself as well. You have to speak very directly to a child with AS and make sure they answer you back. We alway follow what we say to our son with an "OK?" and he sometimes must repeat things back to us just to be sure we are all on the same level. I homeschool my son as well. We tried school but the school didn't want to work with him. I know they are supposed to but I felt like it was more torture than I was willing to put my son through while I got the school to conform to the law. We don't have a perfect life but who does?! We love all 4 of our children and we just figure God blessed us with a child with Asperger's cause He has great plans for him.  

  

By the way, AS is not a chemical imbalance and we've been told meds have not been approved for Asperger's and most would only treat symptoms for a while. Why put that stuff in your kids system if they only work for a little while and you have to keep changing them? Aren't they really only to make your child fit into the mold that the world thinks they should be like anyway? 

  

I wish the show would have a follow up with families that have worked positively with their AS kids so the world doesn't think there is just a bunch of uncontrollable kids running around with this syndrome that "can't be helped"... just a thought!! 

 
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January 17, 2006, 3:55 pm PST

There's a big difference

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I watched the videos of the interactions of this boy and his family and I don't get it.   As a registered nurse, a former special ed teacher (jr. high age ADD kids), and a mother of 2 grown children, I don't see anything terribly unusual in this boy's behavior.  In every interaction, his parents were angry, blaming, and unsupportive.   The boy was acting out what appeared like normal frustrations at being treated that way and feeling so rejected by his parents.  Most teenagers would yell, swear, kick stuff and slam doors when they are treated that way. There was not one scene showing ANY understanding, kindness, or honest support that all children and teen-agers need so desperately.  And this teen-ager was obviously trying to understand, asking for help and support, reaching out, trying to look at his parent's side of it, and they just rebuffed him and were hostile towards him at every turn. I can imagine the hell they put that child thru when he was a normal hyperactive, "out-of-control" four or five-year-old boy, which is just a description of a normal 5-year old boy.  (I have had several pediatricians tell me that most parents bring in their 5-year-old boys at some point to find out if they are hyperactive, or somehow lacking self-control.  They just need to be reassured that this is actually normal behavior are this age.)  Everything presented on the show portrayed these parents as being particularly out of touch with how to deal with anyone's behavior; their own, each other's, and certainly their child's. I was dissappointed, Dr. Phil, that you didn't give them the wake up call they really, really needed.  Or was there more to the story than came across in the show?
 I think what might have been missing is that people with Aspergers' do not have an empathetic viewpoint, don't understand how other people feel.  This causes them to be rude, cold and callous.  They also don't apply what they've learned from past experience to similar experiences.  This causes the family member to be constantly (and I mean constantly) repeating themselves over and over and over. 

A typical teenager might be doing the same things as a person with Asperger's but they have normal peer relationships for a reason, they're empathetic, they listen, they have a global viewpoint, they learn from mistakes.  What's going on with Asperger's is a whole different story than what's going on with a teenager without Asperger's. 
 
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January 17, 2006, 3:56 pm PST

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In regards to your post: ABA agencies run on the spectrum, much like ASD.  Unfortunately, parents who have done ABA and don't agree with it have a skewed view.  A well run ABA program runs on the priciples of positive reinforcement and having fun.  I will and can never teach a child who is sad and frustrated and upset.  What is so wonderful about ABA is that it breaks things down.  For example, the "art" of conversation has many many sub-components: eye contact, non verbal gestures, prgamatics, staying on topic, segwaying, answering questions, switching topics, making statements, small talk, etc...  ABA can break down all those sub components so that children with autism are successful.. i would never just throw a child into a peer group situation and expect them to read emotional cues, answer questions, look at the person who is talking etc...before they get there we work systematically to strenghten those weak skills and make them successful so that these children have confidence in themselves when they are confronted with peer situations. 

For the younger ones, it may seem redundent when we ask them to do things over and over again, but it all has a purpose.  If you think of really small infants: they absolutely love repetition.  Teletubbies repeats their little segways (when the camera shoots into the tummy).  So really good therapists can make something like reduncy seem super duper fun by powerfully reinforcing the act, not keeping the child in the chair for long and having lots of fun!  

I am truly amazed at all the wonderful, varied children i have worked with over the past 6 years.   It is a blessing to see these children learn how much fun it is to be around people, to enjoy sharing toys with other kids or talking about Bionicles to other children, to go to b-day parties and engage in all the activies (we even teach kids all that is envolved in going to a b-day--balloons, cake, opening presents, waiting etc...IF they need it of course.).  

Elna 

ABA Lead therapist 

I do understand that it works for some people.  But for a person has grown up with a brother with Aspergers it never have worked with him.  I have worked with some children who have been going through ABA.  Like I said before I just don't believe in it.  My brother has all those social skills that you said and it was without ABA.  It was teaching him tolerance in the sounds and sights.  My brother enjoyed his early intervention that he had and wouldn't have tolerated ABA.  Through the past few years that I have worked at a school with small children with disablities I have seen ABA and it didn't work for them at all they became very fustrated to were they acted out by hitting and screaming and biting.    So like I said it may work for some but it's not for all and there are many different alterantives.  And that's what people need to know.
 
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January 17, 2006, 3:56 pm PST

GF/CF Diet

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We tried this diet for a whole year and it did nothing for our son.  In fact, I have talked to many people who have tried the diet and it hasn't helped.  I am not saying it hasn't helped some people but it is not a cure all by any means.  I spent hundreds of dollars a month at the health food store and have nothing to show for it.  Now on the otherhand, I have used a vitamin/nutritional shake with him for almost two years that has helped a lot.  It has increased his eye contact, made him more focused, able to concentrate, able to sleep through the night, no more seizures, and he is more social.  If you want to know more you can e-mail me at bersmr@charter.net.  Take care.

Just wanted to let you know, there are simple tests that can be run to see if your child would benefit from this diet. It's called a urinary peptide test. There are only a few places to have the test done. One is Dr. Cade @ the University of Florida (he invented Gatorade), also Great Plains Labs. This is a simple urine collection. The test will show if your child has elevated antibodies to casein and gluten. We were told that normal antibodies were between 1 and 80. Our son's tests came back well over 2000 for casein and over 2700 for gluten. We saw immediate improvements after removing casein (dairy). It took well over 6 months to see any changes after removing gluten. Some don't see anything for a year or more. The problem is removing ALL  intances of gluten. It is hidden in MANY ingredients, i.e. natural flavorings, malt flavoring, MSG. I don't know your situation, but is it possible that not all instances were removed? 

  

This diet definately is not a cure, but it can be a crucial step down that road. Like I mentioned in my original post, most ASD kids have absorption problems. Methylcolbamin or MB-12 is essential, along with Cod Liver Oil, probiotics, digestive enzymes, Vit. C, minerals, etc. 

  

My point is this: I am not a dr. Have your child tested. If their urinary peptide antibodies are elevated, the diet will help. Yes it is expensive, yes it is hard, but YES it is worth it. If gluten and casein are elevated, those enzymes are not being processed, but leaking out of the gut and into the blood/brain barrier. 

  

Read a great book: "Unraveling the Mystery of Autism and Pervasive Development Disorder" by Karyn Serrousi. It's excellent. Then get Lisa Lewis' book: "Special Diets for Special Kids".  There are some great recipes, and excellent resources in both these books. 

  

If you want more information, please email me privately. 

  

Kerri 

 
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January 17, 2006, 3:56 pm PST

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 I'm 15 years old, and I have had ADD ever since I was born, so when I saw the preview for this show, I was very interested, particularly since I'm the same age as the boy they were interviewing (Alex). But I immediately saw a problem with his parents as soon as I turned on the program. Under no condition do those parents have a right to yell at Alex for something that is not his fault. My mother at first got annoyed with me when I had problems remembering things, but she had never yelled at me like those parents did. I do understand that the parents didn't really understand about Asperger's, but as parents, they are responsible to learn how to work with their son's case. They didn't even need to research it: all they really needed to do was listen to their son...to understand how he feels. The parents had a right to be intimidated by Alex when he was dangerous: hearing him say "Everyone is going to die except me," scared me more than I've ever known, but even so, they should've tried to reach out to their son a long time ago and tried to help him. Alex seems like a very intelligent, kind and logical person: I really don't think having a conversation with him about what he is feeling would've been so hard. That alone could've given some love back into their family.
 
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January 17, 2006, 3:57 pm PST

going to collage

i have a son how was dignosised with aspergurs at the a of 6. he will be 19 on friday.  i can only say that i did not have much help when he was little.  no one understood or knew what worked  he was out of control from many years and he placed in residental home for 2 1/2 year.  he never responed to med's but behavor thyophy made all the difference. our hole family attended conselling for 5 years and i read everything i could find on the the subject.  Dr. Peggy Papps had an artical that had a great effect on me.  i was filled with guilt and fear that i had done something wrong.  the proplem is i had expectations for his behavor and good and bad.  that was purly based on my own vistion of what should be.  i know that when i understood that he was reacting more to my own moods then to his own and i started looking at each problem as a clean slate.  trying to find the root of his irritation.  usely it was some small problem that could be worked out easly.  but not useing my emotions.  a fight that use to last all day ends in minutes.   i believe that couselling is very important for all. 
 
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January 17, 2006, 3:58 pm PST

Yes, Yes, Yes

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There is help for your son!  Please check out any sites you can find on the Gluten Free/Casein Free diet.  specifically, look for Special Diets For Special Kids I & II by Lisa Lewis.  You really will see a difference in your son!  Don't attempt to cut out foods without blood tests and supplementation.  here in Pennsylvania, there is a wonderful doctor named Scott Faber.  He's the Autism Guru!  Phone number is 412-420-2561.  There is a waiting list but PLEASE get Joshua on it.  YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT!

You are so right!!   The diet and biomed approach has to be tried...if it is the underlying cause for the autism (as it is for the most--not all-- of these kids), the child can experience dramatic improvements!!!!  So very, very worth it !!! 

 
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January 17, 2006, 4:00 pm PST

Tourettes

Okay I just checked out the link for tourettes and symptoms because someone once asked me if my son had it.  Since probably 1st grade (he's 12 now) he has been making vocal noises BUT not consistently or he will have a facial tic.  He will go months w/o it and then it will come back. He has none of the other symptoms though.  Does well in school.  Very social, great athlete.  Very well rounded. Our GP always told me it was allergy related.  I finally had him tested for allergies since all the allergy meds didn 't help the situation and he came up allergic to nothing!  He is seeing and EarNoseThroat right now but we've had no success.  Any suggestions?
 
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January 17, 2006, 4:00 pm PST

I also have Aspergers

I struggled for decades before I found out what I had. As a female, we are very underdiagnosed because we tend to display symptoms differently or in ways that are more expectant for females in our society.

I am pretty sure what caused my Aspergers.  I am convinced because after experimenting with treatments aimed at what I believed to have caused it, I have seen a lot of improvement, even though I do have permanent damage to my brain and other body organs.

The damage to the brain can cause the brain to compensate in other ways (thus the rewiring and strengths appear in other areas), however, I disagree that you *lose* those strengths by having a neurotypical brain. I have been doing things to treat my Aspergers that has helped my social behaviors, moods, as well as my intelligence.

I am wondering, are any of the Aspergers folks here (or parent of kids) doing chelation therapies? Wheat free/gluten free diets and digestive support? Adrenal and thyroid support? Had heavy metal hair analysis and tested the function of other body organs? Parasite cleanses?

Aspergers doesn't just affect the brain. I suspect (based on my experiences and all my Asperger friends experiences) that Alex acts out because he is literally in pain. It can be from external stimuli, internal problems such as yeast growth, parasites, etc. (all very, very common in autistic people). The times when he is more neurotypical may be because he is not being overwhelmed internally as compared to those other times.  And I agree with the shame thing...it is very shaming when you cannot control your own behavior. When I start feeling bad and know I will be raging, I try to avoid people until it passes.
 
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