Topic : 01/17 Extreme Disorders

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Does your child rage, scream and kick doors? Is his or her behavior the typical brattiness of a spoiled child, or involuntary behavior beyond the child's control? Dr. Phil sheds light on a pair of widely misunderstood extreme neurological disorders. First, he looks at Asperger's syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism which can cause a person to lack control over his or her emotions, including anger. Rich and Karen's 15-year-old son, Alex, was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 6. His sudden fits of rage and erratic behavior have put a strain on his whole family. Should his parents be afraid of Alex, or is there something they can do to bring his behavior under control? Plus, Craig, 37, can't control his physical tics, nor can he keep from constantly uttering obscenities, literally hundreds of times a day. Craig suffers from Tourette syndrome, an affliction that's gotten so bad, he won't go into grocery stores, movie theatres or any public place for fear he'll be kicked out. What will the disorder mean for his plans to start a family? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 17, 2006, 4:28 pm PST

Aspergers

 Aspergers is only disabling if the environment allows it to be.  Aspies require a more calm environment, with a lot of  "down time" and a lot of processing time.  Their sensory imput is very active, so they are quickly overloaded with information and imput which  causes them to shut down or act out.  (it would be like being at a world fair 24 hours a day, 7 days a week...noise, noise, noise!!)  Given a suitable environment aspies can achieve reasonably normal lives with joy and pleasure.  Sometimes we try to slot too many people into one box, perhaps we need other boxes to fit people into.  Why is it so bad if people want simplicity, quiet, to spend time in their rooms thinking their own thoughts, to focus heavily on one project. Aspies like to think longer about things than the rest of us, how is that a problem? We should quit trying to make people fit into our boxes and we should let them flourish in their own way.

People with wheelchairs need ramps, people with aspergers need more calmness around them and time to think. Why is this a problem?  A little extra time and a bit of comfort is not a difficult thing to give.   We should all learn to be more patient with each other.

Rage is not acceptable, but in my opinion the aspergers does not cause the rage, the frustration by not being understood does.  A more comforting environment and more acceptance and understanding would reduce the rage.  I would never yell or raise my voice to my aspie, his sensory perception would shut him down. Simple calm speaking works wonderfully well. 

I have to ask, why is it always the "other" person who has to change, sometimes we have to look within ourselves and ask, "how can I change to help my family".  I personally think it is easier to change the environment than it is to change a person, especially if changing one helps the other feel better.

I am a mother and sister to happy aspies.





 
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January 17, 2006, 4:28 pm PST

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 Hi, i just wanted to jump into the TV. I felt bad for the lady  and man b/c their was was deteriating b/c of thier son.  I have been having almost the same problems with my son and it is very very frustating not getting the help that he needs. I feel the dr's have misdiagnosed him since he was 6 years old. I took him to Hershey Medical Center in Hershey, PA. they said he was so complicated they didn't know how to diagnose him. They said he had opppositional defiance, ADHD, and Bi-Polar. Throughout the years and going to several doctors, they all say the same thing. I feel they have misdiagnosed him and that he actually has Aspergers. I feel they are diagnosing him that way b/c they think he will turn out to be like his birth mother, which has schizophrenia. While she was pregnant with him she abused illegal,  legal drugs and alcohol, besides smoking cigarettes during her pregnancy. 
I was interested in learning more about brain matters, Inc. Can u give me info. on it. I don't health insurance on him except a medical card. Our regular insurance company would  not insure him b/c of his diagnosis. Does Dr. Gregory Hipskind have an address or e-mail where I could get in touch with him?
Thank-you from a very frustrated mother that wants answers that she can't get from the area she lives in. Doctors just want to medicate and it's NOT WORKING. Looking for an alternative and what's really wrong with my son. Bonnie

S. Gregory Hipskind, M.D., Ph.D.,  Senior Medical Advisor , Brain Matters, Inc. 

  

http://www.brainmattersinc.com/ 

 

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January 17, 2006, 4:29 pm PST

01/17 Extreme Disorders

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My soon to be 5yr. old son was diagnosed with AS just a few weeks ago.  I am trying desperately to understand as much as I can.  Do most AS children develop ADD or mood disorders I am wondering-  We have started treatment, but I really don't "get everything yet".  I seem to feel my child is more on the mild side of this as well, so I hope Dr. Phil will do more shows on milder cases.

It's sort of a mix and match thing. Often the diagnosis will change while the underlying symptoms don't. All of these (I hesitate to say disorders but that is what they are considered by the psychiatric profession) differences are hard to sort from one another. Since they all appear in a cluster there is no hard fast rule for diagnosis just as there is no hard fast rule for treatment.  

  

I consider myself to have ADHD and dyslexia. That is what I was diagnosed with at the time I was in school but I also notice some evidence of AS and Tourettes. The important thing however is that no matter what happens your son is a special person who deserves dignity, opportunity to succeed and love. He has unique gifts that can enrich the life of everyone around him. You and his teachers, therapists and his friends need to see those and help him develope into the type of person he is meant to be. 

 
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January 17, 2006, 4:29 pm PST

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Okay I just checked out the link for tourettes and symptoms because someone once asked me if my son had it.  Since probably 1st grade (he's 12 now) he has been making vocal noises BUT not consistently or he will have a facial tic.  He will go months w/o it and then it will come back. He has none of the other symptoms though.  Does well in school.  Very social, great athlete.  Very well rounded. Our GP always told me it was allergy related.  I finally had him tested for allergies since all the allergy meds didn 't help the situation and he came up allergic to nothing!  He is seeing and EarNoseThroat right now but we've had no success.  Any suggestions?

our dr said that tourettes starts up usually when puberty hits in a boy. 

go t o a specialist, of tourettes. 

take care; 

:)SO PRETTY 

 

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January 17, 2006, 4:30 pm PST

Tourette's x 3

 I didn't see the preview for this show so when I happend to turn it on I was in for a suprise. All the messages I have seen a in regardes to ASD well I am about to change all that. I have 3 sons, 12, 10, & 7, all have Tourette's, one thing that was not mentioned on the show was the fact that TS is more prominent in boys than girsl. Because my oldest boy had TS the other 2 being boys had a 95% chance of having TS as well. You also neglected to mention the fact that Tourette's is commonly comorbid with ADD/ADHD, my oldest and youngest have ADHD and the one in the middle has ADD, not to mention the high rate of OCD in people with TS. The behavioral and emotional difficulties, that accompany Tourette's also accompany ADHD, so these people are double whammied. You touched on non of these things.Raising children with Tourette's is very challanging and difficullt, you have to pick and chose what behavior they their choise and what isn't. Brain scans and imaging make for pretty pictures, but tangible facts and coping stratigies go a lot further. We have been living with Tourett's for 5 years, with the likelyhood that it will get worse with puburty, that and testing the 10yr. old for Asperger's on top of everything else, plus rage attacks, plus deppression plus holding our breath against OCD. That is the reality We live with everyday, and that's not even the half of it....
 
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January 17, 2006, 4:32 pm PST

A Wake up call was given

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 I think what might have been missing is that people with Aspergers' do not have an empathetic viewpoint, don't understand how other people feel.  This causes them to be rude, cold and callous.  They also don't apply what they've learned from past experience to similar experiences.  This causes the family member to be constantly (and I mean constantly) repeating themselves over and over and over. 

A typical teenager might be doing the same things as a person with Asperger's but they have normal peer relationships for a reason, they're empathetic, they listen, they have a global viewpoint, they learn from mistakes.  What's going on with Asperger's is a whole different story than what's going on with a teenager without Asperger's. 

I know many people must wonder what terrible parents we are.  Yes I suspected this even before going on the show.  What you saw was the extremes and if you think we do not try to understand and help Alex you are WRONG.  But as I said to Dr. Phil we are at the end of our rope, at least I am.  Yes we yell and cry and jump down his throat, but did you see the whole scene?  Do you know what started the meltdown?  Dr. Phil can only show so much and what they chose to show the viewers were the extremes.  Alex is a wonderful kind hearted young man however when the switch flips it is like a horror film in our home or wherever it takes place.  On some occasions he actually flips the switch for attention and he has admitted that, so when is he flipping the switch and when is it his neurological disorder. 

  

We aired our dirty laundry to get help.  Comments like yours will help us as we are reaching out for answers for counseling and medication if and where needed.  We are two working parent family and due to financial struggles in our community we are both working multiple jobs, none of which are full time and we have no benefits.  We are doing all we can to make life the best for him and as I said, losing ourselves in the midst of it all. 

  

I have gone into counseling and I am sure that Alex, Richard and I are on the road to recovery.  We will be in recovery for the rest of our lives. 

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 4:33 pm PST

Son with Asperger's Syndrome

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Hello, I have a 5 yr old son that was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome at the age of 3. He is currently in a special education program through the school but everyone is at a loss of what to do with him. He is on three different medications, which include, Risperdal, Tenex and Adderall but he is still so aggressive and defiant. I am working with a behavioral specialist to try and change this behavior but that hasn't officially started yet. Nobody knows what to do with his behavior. When I seen Alex from the show, he looks like an older version of my son during a meltdown. It's so scary because my child gets extremely mean during a rage. Luis' current nuerologist is also at a loss. We have tried different medications that just aren't working. I have mentioned a brain scan but nobody will listen and when I heard about this brain imaging, that is something I will bring up to the Doctor. Anyway, this show really hits home for me and I sure hope a lot of people are watching because this diagnoses is so misunderstood.  

  

Sincerely, 

  

Joni Field 

Joni, I can see that you are frustrated and searching.  I can only speak from my own experience, but I learned first about AS for myself, by reading on line, joining chat groups of people with similar circumstances,etc.  If you will let yourself be your guide with help from the internet and people you meet, you will learn to depend less on some doctor or specialist who may or may not know more about the aspie child than you do.  You must become your own expert by learning.  Then you can decide what courses of action you will try and how you will judge their success or failure. Try joining a parenting group in your area for support and information.  Don't give up.  Knowledge that you own will become very powerful in helping you and your family.
 
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January 17, 2006, 4:34 pm PST

Meds are a last resort

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I think he needs to be on meds. When I am not on some kind of meds I can get wierd. Aspergers gives me some problems, but I prefer my problem to so called "Neurotypicals", or those with typical neurological funtions. Aspergers is what gave me my high IQ and my photographic memory. It is aslo what is giving me the analytical abiltity to become a Computer Electrical Enginer.  
There are no meds made specifically for Asperger's.  Asperger's Syndrome is a neurological difference.   Meds. for children should be prescribed as a very last resort for extreme depression, extreme anxiety, etc.  Parents of Asperger children need to learn as much as possible about AS.  AS children can be very sensitive and get very upset when spoken to disrespectfully.  There is always a reason for a meltdown.  The best thing a parent can do is become a detective to find out exactly what is upsetting their child and help them by supporting them, offering modifications to the environment, etc.  Also,  AS children are not broken in need of fixing and they should not be made to feel as if they are broken. In treating these children with respect, kindness and patience, they do so very well.
 
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January 17, 2006, 4:40 pm PST

Find A Quiet Place and Hold Him

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Hello, I have a 5 yr old son that was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome at the age of 3. He is currently in a special education program through the school but everyone is at a loss of what to do with him. He is on three different medications, which include, Risperdal, Tenex and Adderall but he is still so aggressive and defiant. I am working with a behavioral specialist to try and change this behavior but that hasn't officially started yet. Nobody knows what to do with his behavior. When I seen Alex from the show, he looks like an older version of my son during a meltdown. It's so scary because my child gets extremely mean during a rage. Luis' current nuerologist is also at a loss. We have tried different medications that just aren't working. I have mentioned a brain scan but nobody will listen and when I heard about this brain imaging, that is something I will bring up to the Doctor. Anyway, this show really hits home for me and I sure hope a lot of people are watching because this diagnoses is so misunderstood.  

  

Sincerely, 

  

Joni Field 

Hello.  I am a Mom of a 14 year old son with Asperger's.  I have had much advice given to me over the years but the easiest, most practical advice which also was highly effective was given to me by our family doctor.  She was a mother of several children herself.  She suggested that I take my son to an established quiet place(we chose my rocking chair)--away from loud noises, tv, radio, other people, bright lights, movement, etc.  She advised me to hold him firmly in a hug on my lap in my rocking chair for 15 minutes.  She suggested that I do this every day at the same time for two weeks then come back in to discuss it.  Even though he felt he was "too old" to sit on Mom's lap since he was about 10, my son agreed to try it for the two weeks.  By the end of the two weeks, my son was asking to be held when he felt he needed to settle down but couldn't!  He was already diagnosed with Asperger's ADD and Childhood Depresseion and had taken anti-depressant (Prozac) then Effextor along with Ritalin then Adderall then Concerta but still he felt overshelmed and out of control at times.  He said he literally didn't know why he felt that way nor did he know what to do about it.  Having me quietly hold him allowed him one way to be guaranteed of loving reassurance and a form of quieting relief.  Try it.  It can't hurt.  It did not replace his medications but it was a wonderful experience for us both to find relief for him in a loving way.
 
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January 17, 2006, 4:40 pm PST

You are RIGHT on the MONEY!

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I watched the videos of the interactions of this boy and his family and I don't get it.   As a registered nurse, a former special ed teacher (jr. high age ADD kids), and a mother of 2 grown children, I don't see anything terribly unusual in this boy's behavior.  In every interaction, his parents were angry, blaming, and unsupportive.   The boy was acting out what appeared like normal frustrations at being treated that way and feeling so rejected by his parents.  Most teenagers would yell, swear, kick stuff and slam doors when they are treated that way. There was not one scene showing ANY understanding, kindness, or honest support that all children and teen-agers need so desperately.  And this teen-ager was obviously trying to understand, asking for help and support, reaching out, trying to look at his parent's side of it, and they just rebuffed him and were hostile towards him at every turn. I can imagine the hell they put that child thru when he was a normal hyperactive, "out-of-control" four or five-year-old boy, which is just a description of a normal 5-year old boy.  (I have had several pediatricians tell me that most parents bring in their 5-year-old boys at some point to find out if they are hyperactive, or somehow lacking self-control.  They just need to be reassured that this is actually normal behavior are this age.)  Everything presented on the show portrayed these parents as being particularly out of touch with how to deal with anyone's behavior; their own, each other's, and certainly their child's. I was dissappointed, Dr. Phil, that you didn't give them the wake up call they really, really needed.  Or was there more to the story than came across in the show?

I, too, was so shocked to see all the yelling in that house.  It disgusted me.  I am at my wits often and mentally exhausted/drained,  we spend a LOT of time dealing with AS issues.........HOWEVER, 

I would NEVER speak to ANY of my 3 children with such unloving and unkind words.  My son with AS saw that mom and was stunned.  Research- there is HELP.  She waited WAAAAAAAY too long. 

 

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