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Does your child rage, scream and kick doors? Is his or her behavior the typical brattiness of a spoiled child, or involuntary behavior beyond the child's control? Dr. Phil sheds light on a pair of widely misunderstood extreme neurological disorders. First, he looks at Asperger's syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism which can cause a person to lack control over his or her emotions, including anger. Rich and Karen's 15-year-old son, Alex, was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 6. His sudden fits of rage and erratic behavior have put a strain on his whole family. Should his parents be afraid of Alex, or is there something they can do to bring his behavior under control? Plus, Craig, 37, can't control his physical tics, nor can he keep from constantly uttering obscenities, literally hundreds of times a day. Craig suffers from Tourette syndrome, an affliction that's gotten so bad, he won't go into grocery stores, movie theatres or any public place for fear he'll be kicked out. What will the disorder mean for his plans to start a family? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 17, 2006, 5:11 pm PST

Co-dependant parents

I felt very bad for the young teen that has an illness that influences his mood and behavior so much. I knew what to expect from the tapes of the family interactions...or I thought I did. When I heard the start of a video segment and the screaming at the top of the lungs I was shocked when the captions indicated the parents were the ones screaming louder than the child. Each video segment I saw indicated that the parents are feeding in to the trauma that this child endures. I know how frustrating it is to have a disobedient child and I am more strict than typical parents of the "new age" but these parents each were out of control and seemingly totally unable to interact with the child appropriate to the circumstances when those circumstances include his disease. They were venting to cater to their own emotions. There was no rational reason for them to behave like that.
 
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January 17, 2006, 5:11 pm PST

ThankYouThankYouThankYouThankYou!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I am 28 years old and discovered that I have Aspergers only 18 months ago.  I'd like to encourage all parents out there with a testimonial.  Find something for your Aspie children!  Something that they can focus into, that they will be able to channel that energy, which manifests as rage many times.  It isn't a cure all but it can help tremendously.  

  

Being born in 1977, and Aspergers not on the books until 1994, I was a Junior in high school, there were no standard diagnostic criteria, I was into the real-world long before anything really was publicized.  I am of above average intelligence but have never had my IQ tested.  I did terrible in school because I was bored out of my mind.  I tied for highest ACT scores in my graduating class.  I went to a private school that was more challenging than most public schools, I was still bored.   

  

By the time I was 12 I had an incredibly advanced knowledge of Dinosaurs and Astronomy, being my 2 favorite subjects.  My dad had an 8" diameter telescope and subscribed to some Astronomy magazines.   I began to learn about the mathematics of orbits, how comets interacted with planets, and how the gas giants were formed in our solar system.  I knew how fast light traveled, and had a very good grasp of Einsteins theory of relativity.  I did everything I could to learn more about Astronomy.  Dinosaurs were 2nd.  Then when I was 13 for Christmas my parents purchased a PC for the family.  That was "all she wrote."  I latched on to that PC more than anything I had in my life.   I devoted every last second to learning how to exploit the technology in any way.  I worked so hard I gained the attention of a local company that needed some basic programming done.  So I got my first job the week of my 16th birthday.  I far exceeded their expectations and began to work on their higher level software development.  They were developing one of the first digital cameras and I began to implement advanced image processing.  Work became my school and school was my prison.  I was tortured by the unspoken language of social interaction.  I did not get it and I was called a geek/nerd/dork/moron/idiot/...  Every minute of school was a minute of torture, weather it was because I was teased or because I was in a foreign land and could barely speak the language. 

  

When I got to the University, for computer science, I was quickly disillusioned because the first 4 years, I was going to be learning everything I had learned while working.  I had achieved what was required for a bachelors degree, from the technology perspective.  I helped seniors work on their senior projects... 

  

I do not say this to brag, unknowingly my parents introduced that "thing" that I could pour everything of my self into.  My rage drastically decreased.  I would think about programming or whatever on the computer when things became to overwhelming.  I did play games, but I worked more than I played.  Games can be a good distraction but if they are played too much then they can exasperate the problem.  Luckily I learned this and cut back on the games I was playing.  The intensity of the work I was doing soon attracted the attention of the dot boom.  I got a tremendous contract working for a large firm doing software development for more than what my dad was making, at the time I was 19.  I was thrown to the wolves.  Socially I did not fit in, though there were a few like me, and I was accepted for what I was and allowed to work.  I put my nose to the grind stone like I never believed I could.  My social graces were totally lacking and so I could not climb the corporate ladder.  So I began to work on them.  I began to watch what other people did and learned social interaction like I would have learned how to do math.  

  

  

Over the next 6 years I worked on developing my social skills.  Even today I "recite" the liturgy of social interaction when I come in contact with people.  I met my wife 2 years into this, we got married one year to the day later.  She has been a huge asset in helping me develop my social graces.  Of everything that I am she is totally opposite and we celebrate that together!  She was with me when we discovered why I was so "different" and logical.  Anyway, while I was working I noticed a few things that I could do better than anybody else so I started my own company.  That was 8 years ago and for the past 2 years we have been totally self sufficient working for my business.  The stresses are tremendous, of dealing with the people.  Everything else is very easy. 

  

Currently I have a patent pending on what seems to be a very exciting technology.  I have gained the attention of a few multi-billion dollar tech companies that are interested in purchasing the technology.  This is where I stand.  I have a wonderful wife that I've been married to for over 6 years, we have our first child on the way.   I cannot wait to be a father!  I may be selling my business in the realization of "The American Dream."  I have Aspergers. 

Hello.  What a fantastic posting you made! I wish you continued success and am happy that you found out what your diagnosis is because it helps you know that you are not at all alone!  Give you parents a hug and be sure they get a copy of your posting too.  It will mean a lot to them, I am sure.  You are absolutely right when you encourage parents to find a niche for their child.  Asperger's blesses people with an acute ability to focus on subjects of interest to them.  It is be best ability I've ever heard of but falls under a genuine Disability.  What is done well is done extremely well.  What isn't done well....So, keep focusing on the positive and know that your greatest achievement in life is yet to come...being a supportive, loving father.  The support your wife gives may not entirely be from the "opposites attract" perspective, as you seem to think. Many Asperger's and ADD sufferers find love and acceptance from another sufferer.  My husband and I did. There's a high likelihood that one or more of your children will suffer as well.  Keep that positive attitude...always!  

 
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January 17, 2006, 5:16 pm PST

Exactly!

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Our daughter is 14 years old now - and thriving.  She wasn't diagnosed with Asperger's until she was 11 years old.  They were 11 long years of arguing, screaming, slamming doors, throwing things - no more.  The day our doctor gave the results of her exam, we began reading everything we could about Asperger's.  Three years ago there wasn't a whole lot, but we learned from the material we found.  We choose our battles and no longer scream at each other.  Our home is a happy, quiet, safe place - not only for our children, but for others as well. 

  

When I saw the program today, I wanted to call Alex's parents and tell them to stop what they were doing.  I had horrible flashbacks of years gone by.  They were just escalating the problem by losing their cool - I know, I've been there.  The best thing to do is speak calmly and choose your battles.  Our lives aren't perfect by any means, but our household is happy. 

  

I hope more information will be forthcoming concerning Asperger's.  I don't like the fact that the show ended with a negative tone.  I was hoping for some positive information for the world.  These are great kids! 

  

I just finished posting a message with the same idea. The parents are treating this child as if they hace no clue to his specific needs. I know nothing about this disease and it was still clear ot me that you never want to be the one that seems to be more emotionally out of control than your own child. When factoring in the poor child's disease, I was even more shocked.  

  

The good news is that Dr. Phil no doubt will get them the advice they need to stop feeding the trauma to the detriment of the entire family. If not then maybe the parents will read the message boards (most seem to read about their own appearance at least) and they can be directed to some helpful info. 

 
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January 17, 2006, 5:18 pm PST

mercury?

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our house was like that but we removed mercury from our boy and now our house is normal. our Boy was labeled ADHD very bad case. Now he is almost normal. We removed mercury from his body he got from vaccines. Thousands of others have done this and their children are going back to normal.
How did you remove the mercury?  How did you know to do that?
 

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January 17, 2006, 5:18 pm PST

Lack of help from Dr's and schools

Nine months ago after reading an article in our local paper about Aspergers my heart dropped. I saw my child in that clipping. Something that I had known from the start of his birth,but didn't know what exactly. Every time I asked the doctor why he was so sensitive to light and sound, lack of speech before the age of 4, no desire to interact with playmates and or siblings, and misinterpretation of words and phrases, and bowel problems among many more symptoms, he would always say "he'll out grow it, don't worry about it". I finally made an appointment with a Neurological psychiatrist,on our own and although the Dr. will not label him as Asperger, he did confirm a neurological disorder. My understanding is, there is NOT enough information out there for the General Practitioners and schools to help them with a diagnosis. We as parents have to be diligent in finding answers and information on our own, and push for answers. My son is 19 years old and because of the lack of social skills, he hasn't been able to hold down a job, although we are hopeful with his present one. I was told he should have been diagnosed at an early age with all the symptoms I reported to the doctor. My worry at this point is, is he going to be able to support himself, get through the bumps in life on his own, and although the information or lack of it in the show today was minimal, at least it's getting out there and Doctors have to be aware of these "disorders". My son has a very high IQ and I think, no, am convinced that if we got the help early on he would be a lot better off now. Also, symptoms are not always the same in everyone, one can show outrage, others none. Thank you Dr. Phil for at least bringing the subject to light. 

 
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January 17, 2006, 5:19 pm PST

Tourettes

I have a son age 13 diag at 8 with TS. His tics are at a cough and grunt with sniff here and there. I did have some problems with the school. Lack of education is a shame in our school this time and age. Anyways, I faught like hell with them and they finally understood what he was going through. For those who are battling the school, you push as much info. on TS to them. Insist on the programs designed to help them. 501 program. 

  

 From the show, does it mean if your child has tourette now it will for sure get worse? This scares me and just want to know where we stand? 

 
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January 17, 2006, 5:19 pm PST

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I'm a single mother of a 7 yr old boy.--my son's therapist has been looking into Asperger's syndrome as well as Bi-polar, but he has yet to give me any answers--I can honestly say that I'm scared of my son--my son gets into rages that are violent and mean...then like a switch he turns back into the most caring child I have ever met.---Some of the situations I don't know how to deal with --Last week my son was telling me over and over that he no longer wants to live, that he wants to kill himself....---after telling my son's therapist this, he shrugged it off and said, "He's probably really stressed from school..." ---How do I get my son's problems to be taken seriously, I feel that I'm the only person who sees the real Shane because he seems to hide himself very well from others--he dosen't interact with the other children at his school and he was recently put on probation in the 2nd grade due to his rages and stubborn behavior...but he's so intelligant, they put him into the G.A.T.E. program for gifted kids...my son seemed to fit all the characteristics of Asperger's except the clumsiness....Please help me figure out what step I should take to get my son's therapist to take me seriously ???---I forgot to add that he had already been diagnose with ODD-oppositional defiant disorder and ADHD---are these problems a separate problem or are they part of the whole picture of possible Asperger's Syndrome--Please help...I feel so lost, worried and scared of my son.--I tried getting a new therapist for my son and the current one he has now keeps saying that I should give it time, that he will come up with answers...but the problem is...he doesn't see the real Shane like I see him...----JEN

our boy is ADHD he 17 we looked at another angle he was full of mercury we removed the mercury and he is getting better. He's not ADHD he was mercury toxicity ADHD, ADD and Autism is being treated by removing mercury because that is what it is in the first place. Doctors don't look for mercury. Our home was just like that boy on TV now it is not.  We have a life. Try removing mercury the only way it will show up is if you have a tooth analized. Blood, hair, nail, stool, urine won't show it. A tooth will. Treat it with chelation. That removes mercury. Our boy was never ADHD he was full of mercury from vaccines.  

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January 17, 2006, 5:21 pm PST

I have Tourette Syndrome

I was diagnosed with Tourette Syndrome (TS), Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), and Anxiety Disorder at age 10.   Although looking back, my symptoms started when I was a toddler, they became intrusive when I was in the 3rd grade.  After bouncing around between various doctors (including allergists and psychologists), my mother proposed the possibility of my having TS to my new pediatrician.   Sure enough, I was what they called a "textbook case" having a variety of simple and complex, verbal and motor tics.  I was put on medicine, which helped a LOT.  Although the side effects were substantial, the benefits (my receiving an education) outweighed the side effects at the time.  Over time, I tried numerous medications and a variety of educational settings (including General Education classes for the Gifted, to a very restrictive Non-Public School, NPS, setting).  After defeating the odds, I graduated High School, received a BA degree in Liberal Studies, earned a California Teaching Credential in the area of Mild to Moderate Disabilities, and now, at age 28, I am currently writing my thesis for a Masters Degree, also in Mild to Moderate Disabilities.  My thesis is on educating children with TS in the Least Restrictive Environment.   As an adult, I found that the negative effects of medicine no longer outweighed the benefits, so, under my doctor's care, I took myself off all TS medicine.  I feel better than ever!  Thanks to the behavior modification techniques I learned growing up and the constant support of my family and friends, I am able to function completely in my life.  As an adult, many people say they are surprised to hear that I have TS.  However, upon educating these same people on TS, they now say they can recognize the tics that I continue to have.   

 

  

In my opinion, Dr. Phil did a wonderful job portraying this unique disorder.  Some things that I have found in my studies that weren't mentioned include:  1. It is estimated that less that 5% of the population with TS have coprolalia (aka cussing).  2.  TS is believed to be one of a spectrum of disorders including, but not limited to, Asperger's Syndrome (AS)  and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD).   

 

  

I have seen the HBO special on TS.  It is remarkable that these children are able to express their symptoms, feelings, emotions, and thoughts so well.  I see myself in many of these children, and I commend them for their strength and desire to educate their family, friends, educators, peers, and everyone who has the privilege of seeing their documentary.   

  

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 5:23 pm PST

extreme disorders

 Does anyone have any information on Huntingdon's Disease?  It runs in my husband's family and apparently is hereditary.  I'm concerned for my children... it shows up later in life apparently... but I still can't help but to worry about it now.
 
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January 17, 2006, 5:23 pm PST

Don't blame yourself

Listening to Karen today about her son Alex reminded me how I felt for so many years. I blamed myself for my sons autism. I felt I did something wrong to have this happen to him. Then I felt like I didn't do enough in getting him help. Ian does get violent. He has very little speech so he really get frusterated. He bites himself and hits his brother and me. i just like to share a few things with her. 

  

Karen: Take it from someone who is struggling just like you. You did nothing wrong. Nor did your husband. Your son has a neurological condition. He is ill. You didn't cause it and you can't cure it. Worry will only make you old before your time.  

  

The most  important thing I learned in dealing with Ian is that if he gets loud, erratic, angry and begins "cycling up" the best thing to do is remain calm. I never raise my voice when dealing with Ian. It is hard. It took me years to realize that my getting angry or yelling  just makes things worse, much worse. It took me even longer to be able to keep my voice and actions calm. I learned meditation. I also ascribe to the step back method. Whenever Ian does something inappropriate or dangerous I take a mental step back, center myself, walk away if I have to,  think about what is really going on. Is it something he did or an unreasonable expectation I have. Then when I am calm I use constructive language to express the problem I have with what Ian has done. I do it in a stern, low voice. I give Ian space to be angry and let him work through the anger. I never get close to him when he is angry. I talk with him from about 5 to 6 feet away.  

  

I hope this can help you. It takes real effort but Ian's angry outbursts have dwindled to less than once a month.  

  

I also pick my battles. What is really important. Are socks left in the living room really a reason to come down on a kid who has so many other things that challenge him?  

  

I hope you have friends and family that help you. Good luck! Your heart's in the right place. Alex will be fine!
 

  

 
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