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Does your child rage, scream and kick doors? Is his or her behavior the typical brattiness of a spoiled child, or involuntary behavior beyond the child's control? Dr. Phil sheds light on a pair of widely misunderstood extreme neurological disorders. First, he looks at Asperger's syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism which can cause a person to lack control over his or her emotions, including anger. Rich and Karen's 15-year-old son, Alex, was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 6. His sudden fits of rage and erratic behavior have put a strain on his whole family. Should his parents be afraid of Alex, or is there something they can do to bring his behavior under control? Plus, Craig, 37, can't control his physical tics, nor can he keep from constantly uttering obscenities, literally hundreds of times a day. Craig suffers from Tourette syndrome, an affliction that's gotten so bad, he won't go into grocery stores, movie theatres or any public place for fear he'll be kicked out. What will the disorder mean for his plans to start a family? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 17, 2006, 6:26 pm PST

Autism Spectrum

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I have two sons with Autism Spectrum Disorder. Cody, who is 6, and Eric, who is 4. Eric is high functioning, and Cody is VERY low functioning. Two brothers on totally different sides of the Autism Scale. I believe that if Dr. Phil was to have an entire show on the entire Autism Spectrum Disorder, it will help alot of people and/or parents that may not fully understand Autism. It is a very interesting world they live in.
Now there is a great idea, a show or two, or even a whole week as far as I'm concerned, just informing the general public about ASD's. The Today Show did a week on Autism (when they should have done the whole spectrum) The show today really was not informative, the average person who has never heard of AS could get a wrong impression from today's show.I think Dr. Phil needs to call in experts like Tony Attwood to be on the show. I think rather than just focusing on one family a show needs to be done about people on all ends of the spectrum.Angie
 
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January 17, 2006, 6:27 pm PST

therapies for AS

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Hi. I was so happy to read your message. My son is 4 and was diagnosed several months ago. He is on the mild end of the Asperger spectrum and I'm often confused as to what therapies to try. May I ask what kinds of early interventions you had? My son has an aid (SEIT) in nursery school and sees a "floortime" therapist. The school district is considering a social skills group for him as well. Thank you.

I touched on the therapies that my son has had in my previous message.  We've done a lot with diet/nutrition (with guidance from knowledgable health-care professionals), sensory therapies, and we're starting to do RDI.  That was in addition to speech and social skills groups.  There are a ton of great resources out there.  My local support group has some great links on our web-site http://www.pep-albny.org/ 

 
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January 17, 2006, 6:29 pm PST

From Karen

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I am married to a man with aspergers syndrome and he was just diagnosed at the age of 50. We have been married for three years and I would love to hear from couples who are living in an aspie marriage.

I often think that Rich (Alex's dad) is AS as well.  Rich is extremely bright and very withdrawn in many ways.  Rich is either very laid back or EXPLOSIVE.  His EXPLOSION are minimal and short lived.  Rich zones out a lot and often times you wonder if he has heard a word you have said.  Out of the blue he will respond to a question asked (minutes, hours or days before). 

  

I see more and more of this pattern in Rich as Alex gets older and it is frustrating.  I love him but I feel like I am mothering a time bomb (Alex) and dealing with the opposite spectrum with Rich. I find that I need to have answers to every question and I spin my wheels 24/7. 

  

I have made it my mission in life to help resolve not only Alex's issues to help him have the best life ever but to find a way to resolve my marital issues and understand not only my husband but myself better. 

  

I want to give you the courage to find the answers you need and the strength your husband needs as well.  Having a special person in his life will provide him wellness. 

  

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 6:30 pm PST

Daughter grew up with TS

My daughter grew up with Tourette's -- her tics manifested about the age of 5. She experienced copralalia, spitting tics, sticking up her middle finger, just to name a few. She had a hard time coping with it for many years. I believe that the hardest part was others shunning and mocking her. One thing that we did to gain public awareness was having the local newspaper write an article about Tourette's. This article was extremely well written in that it was titled "The Hero and the Kid" - which focused on Jim Eisenreich (who was also interviewed specifically for this article) and my daughter.  

  

My daughter is now 20 years old -- going to college and studying nursing. She wants to work w/ children -- she's really grown up to be a very compassionate young lady. Her tics are not obvious anymore - off of all medications.  

  

The doctor believes that I grew up w/ very mild TS -- he mentioned that he noticed some minor tics, especially in some stressful situations. I definitely grew up w/ OCD -- which was more worse than the TS for me.  

  

Hopefully there will be more  public awareness on TS and other disorders though Dr. Phil!  

 
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January 17, 2006, 6:35 pm PST

Tourette Syndrome Mom

I appreciate any awareness brought to the public about Tourette Syndrome.  I have a 15 yr old son with TS.  When he was first diagnosed at 7, the tics were mild throat clearing, etc.  I did all the research at the time and swore no medications (not knowing what was in store for us when pubity hit).  Finally, after many different doctors, we have the right "team" in place for my son.  His vocal tics is the hardest to deal with.  At 14, his vocal tics became very severe.  Without medication, he would not have been able to function in public.  However, this is at the expense of cognitive dulling.  What a delemia for parent, not to drug and my son was a total outcast, or medicate at the expensive of his academics.  Now, when I seem Tom Cruise say that NO child should be on medication, I would love to be able to say when you walk in my or other parents shoes then you have the right to speak.  Yes, medications sometimes are tried to soon, or without true cause.  However, I have a child who just wants to be "normal".  He has been called freak, weird, everything than one can think.  His tics were so severe he would not have gone outside.   

I live in New York and you would think that the teachers would know what TS is...most do not.   

This is for any parent of a child who needs assistance with their schools.  ADVOCATE FOR YOUR CHILD. 

Again, my son has TS a severe case.  When a child has a disability that is affecting his academic abilities he is entititled to under the law an "IEP".  School districts do not always follow the law. 

TS is covered on "Other Health Imparied" in the 2004 Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA).  You DO NOT have to have a learning disability (LD) classification to obtain an IEP.  I live in a school district in New York that was in-serviced twice in the past by the Tourette Syndrome Association.   My son had a 504 plan originally in place (not the same rights as an IEP).  We requested an IEP under IDEA.  We went to the CSE meeting for the IEP, and had was told that Tourette Syndrome had absolutely no effect on a students academic ability or social well being.  This was from the head of the Student Services Dept (the person in charge of granting IEP's to all students).  I had documentations, from doctors, teachers, etc.  Of course, he knows it effect my son.  My son was beat up, etc.  TS is specifically spelled out in the law,  here I have a son who has a severe case and have the proof that it is effected his academic ability.  They were completely disregarding the law.  If they would not give my son an IEPwith TS, what child with TS in the district would ever get it.  Who should have that much power over a family.  After investigating the matter my heart breaks for any parent that does not know the system or whom does not have the means to fight the district and get a lawyer.   Many years ago it was very easy to get an IEP from a district.  The districts used to get funding from the state/government.  Then funds were cut to the district and "secret" caps are in place to try and keep the districts from not classifying too many children.   My story is not an isolated story.  These school districts (CSE Committee's) bank on parents believing that they are telling the truth and do not go further.  For the parents who fight for the rights of their child has to incur legal fees and alot of extra stress and heartache.  School districts have lawyers on retainers so for them their taxpapers would not really know what the all the legal fees are spent on.  There are "paid advocates" who know the special education law and education lawyers.  Obtaining an IEP does not mean that your child will have to be put in special ed.  It is just about protecting them and giving them the appropriate support services that they need.  It is so sad, that the children and families in a time of need is subjected to schools not acting in good faith.  There was a U.S. Supreme Court ruling recently, that places the burden of proof on parents who challenge school districts on special-education programs for children.  As a newspaper quoted as saying "This provides those districts who don't operate with good faith efforts (more power) to resolve differences using adversarial methods".  From what I understand many Associations are fighting this.  How scary is this. The govenment under "No Child Left Behind" has IDEA to protect childrens rights.  Even when the necessary documentation of the child' s disabiltiy is presented a district can still say no and hope that the parent does not get legal advise and the district saves the money.    In the past, I attended a TS support group.  A single mom came in and told us that her school district told her that her son cannot stay in school because of his tics and has to have a tutor come to her house.  Well as a single mom, how can she keep a job and not have her son in school.  The facilitiator of the group said this is totally illegal.  They HAVE to provide an education in school for him.  I do not know this mother and have never seen her again.  However, I will always remember the stress and panic on her face.  How could she ever be able to start at fight the system for her son's rights.  My son, myself and his father is lucky.  We are given the proper guidence for my son.  We do not want a lot of "crutches" for him.  Just enough to level the playing field. He is athletic and puts one foot in front of the other everyday and goes to school.  Hopefully if just one parent sees this and realizes that their child is entitled to rights under "IDEA" it's worth writing this (my first posting on a message board).  Even after obtaining this "LEGAL IEP" I am told that the College Boards are the next hurdle.  The College Boards is a private company and not governed under any agency.  They are denying children with TS that submit their IEP's (I hear many other diagnosis also) that need testing accommodations.  So now you have an IEP that says that the student is entitled to extended testing accommodations and they just have the power to deny it.  I do not know what the future holds for my son.  We want him to learn to embrace TS and be the best he can be.  He is entitled to the the playing field being leveleved.  How can a child on medication with proven side effects of cognitive dulling, TS, etc. being denied extended testing.  Shouldn't they be given a fair chance.  Note, the College Board used to grant the testing accommodations.  However, they used to flag the test scores to the colleges.  Alerting them that the students has a disabiltiy.  Apparently someone sued and the College Board no longer flags the scores.  The College Board has now made it very HARD to get the accommodations.  However, when a parent/student has medical documentation that is verifyied in place for many years, etc. they should NOT be allowed to deny this.    

Dr. Phil thank you for doing a segement on TS.   

To all parents, whatever "Syndrome" your child has my heart and prays are with you.  Let's help make our children be the best that they can be living in this very difficult world. 

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 6:36 pm PST

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Now there is a great idea, a show or two, or even a whole week as far as I'm concerned, just informing the general public about ASD's. The Today Show did a week on Autism (when they should have done the whole spectrum) The show today really was not informative, the average person who has never heard of AS could get a wrong impression from today's show.I think Dr. Phil needs to call in experts like Tony Attwood to be on the show. I think rather than just focusing on one family a show needs to be done about people on all ends of the spectrum.Angie

You are right there are many spectrum's to AS.  As it turns out this show was to display the EXTREME of the disorder.  I know Dr. Phil as he mentioned in the show identified this as being an EXTREME and you are right so much more needs to be seen, discussed and absorbed.  Let's hope this is the beginning.  Tony Attwood does offer some expert advise but what we need is a better diagnostic tool (Brain Imaging is one) to help identify the true disorder so we are not labeling kids just so the schools will provide services. 

  

When I was growing up boys / girls who acted like Alex were labeled bad kids.  They were destine to failure.  Today they are being labeled and singled out but may not be getting the treatment they need. 

  

In reading the message board comments I am hearing the same plea, that the meds are too expensive, testing is not affordable, therapy is costly and time consuming, when dual parent homes are working full time plus and have no additional energy or time to get to therapy.....Or not finding a medical team that will provide services because you have no insurance......... 

  

I understand all this and all I ask is that we all work at making our communities aware of these issues and get the media to open some doors for us. 

  

Karen 

 
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January 17, 2006, 6:37 pm PST

my 10 year old son has autism

As I watched the show today I was sad to see that there wasn't a family on there to show that not all children act out in such rages. My son is very mild and he sees a specialist for his autism. We did try the diet and several drs said that it was a waste of time, energy and money. It didn't help our son. He is the sweetest, most gentle and loving child. He loves to play with other children. This disorder scares people who don't know much about it and I feel like today's show won't help but hurt children with autism/asperger  disorders.
 
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January 17, 2006, 6:40 pm PST

Very Disappointed

My hubby has mild aspergers, my oldest son has PDD/NOS my youngest daughter has mild aspergers and my youngest son has Autism, full blown HFA.  I was really dissappointed in the fact that this disorder seemed to me anyway to be represented so negatively.  Bill Gates has a form of Autism/Aspergers and I would love to be married to him.  It has taken a large toll on us as a family, but maybe it was just me, but did anyone else happen to see how the parents talked to the son!  I would not talk to my other kids who are neurotypical (2 teenagers) much less a person with Aspergers.  They react to the action around them, I teach/train neurotypicals about our kids and this sort of behavior that the parents were displaying is exactly why I teach people, so they won't treat my son like that.  Shame on the parents, with all the help, websites, and learning centers for the family, they should know better by now.  Yes it's a stress and I will stand first in line for the stress center, but come on now, lets show the world how wonderful and special our kids are, ever heard of Tony Attwood, The Awsome Minds of Aspergers.  I don't seem my family as a death wish, I see them as MY family.   

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 6:42 pm PST

From Karen, Rich and Alex

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     im so sorry to hear that happened my thoughts are with you , i cant even imanage what you are going though. 

PLEASE DO NOT WAIT UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE! 

Contact someone who can help.  If you don't know who that is try your local media, mental health facilities, churches, schools, call anyone and anyone who will hear your pleas. 

  

Write your Senators and Congressmen, because AS needs attention and medical assistance is needed. 

  

Not all cases are extreme, and most of us will not have to lose a child due to this syndrome, but before this happens to anyone else, reach out and if it means yelling and screaming which gets your neighbor's to call the police, do it. 

  

Even with the help from Dr. Phil and Brain Matters I will continue to work at getting Alex help and helping us all understand and find wellness. 

  

My prayers and best wishes are with all of you! 

 
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January 17, 2006, 6:50 pm PST

My son has aspergers

Normally I would have been at work today and missed the show.  It's one of the things I miss since returning to the work force.  I'm thankful I was home today though because I was feeling rather alone in this.  My son, Kyle was just diagnosed with A.S. in August and turned six in September.  I've been trying to research it and get any and all information I can, but there is so much out there that it gets very confusing at times. 

 

When I saw Alex on the show today, it was like seeing Kyle several years from now.  And seeing Karen was like seeing myself.  I was able to relate so much.   

 

If anyone that reads this has any information at all they think would be helpful to me or any suggestions on books or web sites etc, I would love to hear from you.  I've just recently made contact with an organization that specializes in this area, so hopefully that will help too.  But I'll take all the help I can get. 

 

My biggest fear is not being the best parent I can be for my children and with Kyle's special needs that makes that fear even more prominant.  I want to learn how to help Kyle be the bright, successful person that I know he is. 

 

I hope all of this has made some sort of sense. 

 
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