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Does your child rage, scream and kick doors? Is his or her behavior the typical brattiness of a spoiled child, or involuntary behavior beyond the child's control? Dr. Phil sheds light on a pair of widely misunderstood extreme neurological disorders. First, he looks at Asperger's syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism which can cause a person to lack control over his or her emotions, including anger. Rich and Karen's 15-year-old son, Alex, was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 6. His sudden fits of rage and erratic behavior have put a strain on his whole family. Should his parents be afraid of Alex, or is there something they can do to bring his behavior under control? Plus, Craig, 37, can't control his physical tics, nor can he keep from constantly uttering obscenities, literally hundreds of times a day. Craig suffers from Tourette syndrome, an affliction that's gotten so bad, he won't go into grocery stores, movie theatres or any public place for fear he'll be kicked out. What will the disorder mean for his plans to start a family? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 17, 2006, 8:22 pm PST

Aspergers

     My son was diagnosed with aspergers last year at the age of 10.  He has the out bursts and rages all the time.  We never know when they will happen.  Thankfully he has a wonderful teacher that does try to calm him down when he is getting upset but I worry about him hurting her.  When he was three years old  he tried to stab his Great Grandmother in the eye with a screw driver.  Thankfully she had her glasses on.  He spent two weeks in the physchatrict ward but was never diagnosed.  It was said that he had adhd and o.d.d. (opositional defiancy disorder).  Last year he started having grand mal seizures.  I have since learned that this is common with children with autism.  Like the family in tuesdays show I worry about him and how he will be when he is older.  I worry about him hurting himself or others.  All I can do is pray that it never happens .... and always be there for him if something does happen, and try to keep him on his medicines, and keep taking him to his therapy sessions.  When Philip is in control he is the most loving child and would do anything he could to make you happy.  When he isnt in control it is hard to watch him .... but I just do my best to love him all the more.  I know he is my loving son regardless. 

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:26 pm PST

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I just finished watching the show on aspergers syndrome and sat and cried my eyes out because I could relate so much.  The only difference is that our son is 25 years old and some days I feel like throwing in the towel.  He has always been a very angry person and has his bouts just like Alex.  All of his angry bouts are usually at home and he keeps things under control when he is in public. He always lashes out at me by slugging me.  He never lashes out at his father because he knows that he could really hurt him. He used to also be so truthful but now he lies about everything.  He is at that age where the sex thing has made us nervous wrecks.  I can't tell you how many times he has invited people to our house who he just met off chat lines.  He would give away the house if we weren't here.  Anything to have qa friend. We have taken the phone away, the computer away.  It is so frustrating. My husband and I feel like we can't go anywhere without someone constantly watching him.  He is very functional in many ways.  He can drive and he has an AA degree.  He loves sports and does stats for a local football team.  I am just at my wits end.  He has never been on medication but I would sure like to look into it.  This Dr. on the show sounds promising.
 In Alex's case, according to his mom here on the message boards, he is not only dealing with Asperger's but ADHD, and mood disorders as is my own son.  Asperger's alone doesn't usually account for the kind of anger that was depicted on today's show or from your description.   I urge you to read all you can about Asperger's and Bipolar disorder to see if you can't see patterns of behavior that may fit your son.  Medication may be the way to go but he has to be a willing partner in his care.  I know he's your son and you love him but have you considered him living on his own or filing assault charges against him in order to force him to get the kind of care he may need?
 
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January 17, 2006, 8:26 pm PST

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I am married to a man with aspergers syndrome and he was just diagnosed at the age of 50. We have been married for three years and I would love to hear from couples who are living in an aspie marriage.

I have been married to my aspie husband for 15 years.   In the beginning he shared with me that he had a chemical imbalance and felt he was wrongly diagnosed as bi-polar.  We have had many meltdowns in our marriage.  I have struggled with how he can be so absolutely loveable at one moment and a completely different person the next.  I saw he was obviously an intelligent man, an engineer (of course), highly respected at work and loved by our friends.  But when it came to the two of us trying to have an adult conversation it was like I didn't know who he was.   I am a very sociable person with many interests.  Big crowds give me energy.  They make him crazy. If we are just with a couple that we are friends with he is o.k.- put him in a big crowd and pretty soon I am looking for him because he is outside somewhere - alone.  I struggled so much with that for a long time.  We have counseled for a lot of our marriage.  The past year we have finally found the counselor that has worked well for us and she brought us to the diagnosis of Asperger's.  I could have cried when I watched my husband read the book about Asperger's by Tony Attwood.  He never-ever reads, but with that he felt as though he was reading his life story.   

I have read some of the Asperger relationship books and they are hard to read to me.  It was difficult to realize that the common ground I hoped our counselor would bring us to would not be found, or not be found in the way I thought anyway.  I have begun to understand more why he is the way he is and the "triggers" that may send him to a meltdown - and I will avoid that at all cost!!  

When we married our 5 children (his 2, my 3), ranged in age from 6-16.  We somehow survived through ALL the trials that kids put parents through, sometimes with 4-5 of them living under our roof.  Now I know why he did not like to go to basketball games, or got upset when  the kids friends came over, or have the continuous unscheduled events happen.  Things that seemed so normal to me were so strange to him.  Now I know why.  The crazy thing was now that it's just the two of us it almost seemed harder, but when we both try we have a wonderful relationship and that's what I live for.  I have found that my aspie is very dependable, loyal, and loving -especially when there is continuity and peace in his day.  I have learned to accept more than expect, and make the daily choice to love him with all his qualities and quirks - just as he does me. 

I have looked for someone to talk to also- I hope that we can encourage each other. 

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:27 pm PST

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Okay I just checked out the link for tourettes and symptoms because someone once asked me if my son had it.  Since probably 1st grade (he's 12 now) he has been making vocal noises BUT not consistently or he will have a facial tic.  He will go months w/o it and then it will come back. He has none of the other symptoms though.  Does well in school.  Very social, great athlete.  Very well rounded. Our GP always told me it was allergy related.  I finally had him tested for allergies since all the allergy meds didn 't help the situation and he came up allergic to nothing!  He is seeing and EarNoseThroat right now but we've had no success.  Any suggestions?

I am a psychiatric nurse and mother of a 9 year old boy with TS. One of the most difficult things to understand about this disorder is that it is never the same. Typically, the symptoms of TS wax and wane. We will have several weeks to months with almost no tics at all, then there will be several months that are filled with vocal and motor tics. The raging is the hardest to deal with because it is scary. Not only for my husband and I, but for our son. Kids don't want to be out of control! They need to feel safe during those times when they cannot maintain themselves. We hold our son and whisper until he is able to calm himself.  

He is a terrific student; in fact, he has skipped a grade! Socailly, he struggles becuase of the tics at times. The anxiety that goes along with TS is most damaging to him. He becomes afraid, has panic attacks at times, etc.  

  

the most important thing we have done for him is to get him the help of someone who understands this disorder. Becuase of my work, I was aware of the symptoms of TS, but even then, you don't expect to see these things in your own family .That put me on the wrong side of the desk! Our psychiatrist has made a huge difference, reminding us that this disorder may at times, make us feel like we are not doing a good job, but that is only the disorder talking.  

  

we remind our son that, although his symptoms may change (many who have tics this severe at this young age do not have noticable symptoms at all in adulthood),this is a lifelong illness. He must learn to deal with it in a way that does not bring harm to him or others around him. We tell him repeatedly that we love him, tics and all! And we let him have time to be the ticcing self that he needs to be without fear of being made fun of. every kid with TS needs a space to "be free".  

  

i wish you the best as you look closer at your child's symptoms. Find a psychiatrist that you can talk to and that you trust. And start from the beginning with any tics you noticed. It may not be TS, but you need to know if it is! Good luck and God bless. 

  

Holly 

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:32 pm PST

My 7 year old has Asperger's

Almost 2 years ago my husband and I received the diagnosis of AS for our then 6 year old son.We were somewhat overwhelmed, but wanted to do all that we could to help and understand him. We were very blessed & we were able to "assemble" an AMAZING team to work with him. Today, he is mainstreamed in our public school without any assistance. He is doing very well academically & socially. He also plays flag football, basketball, baseball and he likes to downhill ski. He is also a very happy and loving child. He still has some outbursts, but those have been minimized. I feel that therapy  and medication have helped him tremendously.  

We realize that with any change, he can come "undone." However, we have learned to cherish all that he accomplishes every day. He is an amazing little guy! 

For all of those parents out there just getting the diagnosis, be patient and understanding. It is not easy, but with the right interventions it will all "fall into place." 

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:37 pm PST

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First of all I would like to thank you for sharing your story. As the mother of a five year old with HFA I can relate to how difficult it can be to admit that your family is spinning out of control. There was a time when I had a hard time talking to my friends and family about some of the aggression issues that we were dealing with. Over time and out of fear of where we were heading I began to seek help for my son. Our peds Dr was not very well educated on HFA or Aspergers and when I approached him with the idea of autism(after the school had mentioned the possibility to me) he tried to brush me off because he insisted that he could not have autism because he was verbal. Thankfully I pushed on an got a referral to the Autism clinic in Indianapolis, IN. Since dx my son has also started meds to help with aggression and the related anxiety. The meds have helped us tremendously. Medication is not the total answer but it was a running start. I missed this show(I was told about it later) but was there any discussion about crisis intervention or techniques that can be used to calm the situation? Once again I commend your family, education and awareness are an essential part of community understanding and acceptance. May God bless all of you as you journey down this long path! 

  

Lori 

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:43 pm PST

Asperger/Autism awareness thank you Dr.Phil

Thank you Dr.Phil for making the public aware of these neurological disorders and for getting the help this family needs. 

  

Alex needs help with his anger outbursts and his parents Rich and Karen needs appropriate services and support to deal with their son's behavior problems. 

  

I have a daughter who has Autism, she is also 15.  Since the age of 10 she has been exibiting anxiety attacks and anger outbursts.  It has been very difficult for our family to deal with this issue. 

  

Just to let you know Rich and Karen you are not alone. 

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:45 pm PST

Mother of Asperger's child poem

I thought the show was wonderful.  I am so glad to see that Asperger's is starting to get public attention.  My nine year old son was diagnosed a year ago.  I knew he was different since birth.  Alex reminded me so much of Gunter.  In my case the schools did not want to accept that his problem was more than just bad behavior but with lots of screaming I got through to them.  He is doing better now but had an outburst last Thursday.  He is a big boy.  He is five foot and 117 lbs and only nine years old.  I am five foot one inch and only 100 lbs.   He has never been physical with me until the other day at school.  He was late and he was afraid the other students would laugh at him.  I walked him in to let them know why he was late.  As I began to drive off, I saw him running into the parking lot, crying.  I got out and pulled him back up to the school.  He fought and I could not get him in. I hollered for help and the principal came out.  At this point my son punched me and kicked me numerous times.  He even kicked the principal.  We eventually got him under controll, but I was devastated.  He has never been violent towards me.  He gets angry and lashes out to other kids if he is feeling trapped or picked on.  Also it they are hurting him, but never towards me.  He is more upset than me about the whole deal.  He is the sweetest child you could know but when the switch flips, he is a different child.  It is never out of meanness but out of fear.  At this point the realization that we need more intensive help has set in and we are searching for answers.  Anyway, I don't want to ramble but I wanted to share a poem I wrote for a class that I was taking.  It is exactly how I feel and comes straight from my heart.  I am sure others will relate.  Writing this poem was an assignment but it turned out to be theraputic for me.  By the way, my son has never seen this poem and never will. 

Carrie 

  

MY CHILD LIKE THIS 

By Carrie Fleming 

Dear God, Why did you give me a child like this? 

Why not a child who could give perfect bliss? 

He’s so sad, scared ,and confused. 

If you think it’s funny, I’m not amused. 

I love him but I don’t understand you see, 

Why you would give this child to me. 

He feels too much and sometimes too little 

Why can’t he just find a place in the middle?  

He hurts so bad, I want to ease his pain, 

But sometimes my efforts are in vain. 

No one else seems to understand 

The hurt that fills my little man. 

His big blue eyes filled up with tears 

Will stay in my mind for the rest of my years. 

"Why are they mean to him?" he overheard me once say. 

"Don’t worry mommy, I scared them away." 

He needs me so, and now I see. 

That is why you gave this child to me. 

He kisses me each morning and then each night 

Oh my dear Jesus, he’s a beautiful sight. 

I reflect on this child as the lights go dim, 

Then I realize how much I need him. 

Our life is surely far from bliss, 

But thank you dear God for my child like this. 

  

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:46 pm PST

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January 17, 2006, 8:48 pm PST

child with touretts syandrom

i have a on who is going to be 15 this week he has had touretts syndrome since he was about 12 and it is very hard cause people do not understand they think its all fake i have my up and down with the school and its very hard i have a b/f who is very supportive and understand but i struggle with him everyday cause he has good days and bad days but we do not know any other people in our area that we could talk to or meet with so he feel better that there r other people like him and when he seen the show today it made him feel allot better cause there t people like him out there in the world and we have been up and down with meds to find the right one but is so hard i hope to talk to some people in my area or out with the same trouble i have thanks for listing Kris
 
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