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Does your child rage, scream and kick doors? Is his or her behavior the typical brattiness of a spoiled child, or involuntary behavior beyond the child's control? Dr. Phil sheds light on a pair of widely misunderstood extreme neurological disorders. First, he looks at Asperger's syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism which can cause a person to lack control over his or her emotions, including anger. Rich and Karen's 15-year-old son, Alex, was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 6. His sudden fits of rage and erratic behavior have put a strain on his whole family. Should his parents be afraid of Alex, or is there something they can do to bring his behavior under control? Plus, Craig, 37, can't control his physical tics, nor can he keep from constantly uttering obscenities, literally hundreds of times a day. Craig suffers from Tourette syndrome, an affliction that's gotten so bad, he won't go into grocery stores, movie theatres or any public place for fear he'll be kicked out. What will the disorder mean for his plans to start a family? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 17, 2006, 8:50 pm PST

14 yr. old son with Autism

I'm new to the boards, but I am the mother of a 14 yr. old boy who has been diagnosed with "high functioning autism."    Watching the show today about Alex was like watching my son Keith.  I just wish Keith could express himself verbally as well as Alex.  Keith is very verbal about things that interest him, but he can't seem to express what he's feeling.   

  

I have a 24 yr. old son and 22 yr. old daughter and they have been wonderful with their brother from the beginning.  All the strain took it's toll on my marriage and their father and I divorced 7 years ago after 20 years of marriage.  That part didn't really seem to bother Keith since their father was an over-the-road truck driver and was seldom home.   

  

When he was younger, there were frequent outbursts of aggression...mostly when he was non-verbal.  Once we got his speech back on track, the outbursts became less frequent until about 2 yrs. ago.  I was told that the escalation of aggression was common with the onset of puberty.  Then to make things worse, his father died last year unexpectedly.  The aggressive outburts have really escalated.  The first 2 weeks of school this year, I was called to the school 7 times because of his aggressive behaviour.  Most of it was directed toward desks, file cabinets, etc.  Most of the outbursts occur at school, but they have spilled over at home too.  He has made comments of burning or blowing up the school and killing people....but only when he's having an outburst.  It can be scary sometimes.  Not that I think he will do it....but what someone might do to him thinking he really means it. 

  

The school has not really helped things out either.  Now that he is bigger, I think he intimidates them (all his teachers and aides are female).  Our new principle is an ex-police officer and takes everything very literally and has NO concept or understanding of autism.  They have made it very clear that they would prefer he was in another school.  It has been a constant battle.  He is the oldest of only 3 autistic children in our school district and they just don't seem to know what to do with him. 

  

I remarried 5 years ago.  My husband really tries to understand what is going on.  The aggressive behaviours are starting to take a toll on us.  There are so many good days.  He's a very bright boy....has an amazing audio memory....a whiz at the computer and video games.  He's a natural comedian and can make anyone laugh....but when the outburts happen, they are so intense it overshadows all the good stuff sometimes. 

  

When he does finally meltdown, sometimes he looks at me crying and says "Mom, I don't know why I do some of the things I do.  I'm sorry.  Why do I have to be different?"  It just rips my heart out. 

  

We live in a very small, rural community.  There are no support groups and very few other autistic children.  It's really hard sometimes.  I used to really trust and rely on the school system, but not anymore.  I just get so tired sometimes. 

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:55 pm PST

My son suffers from the Asperger Syndrome too.

I am very happy to see Asperger Syndrome addressed on the Dr. Phil show.  When my son was diagnosed alot of our family and friends felt he was wrongly diagnosed because of his rage attacks.  My son, Josh is 12 years old and I felt I was seeing myself and my son  through a mirror.  I can so feel this mother and son's pain.  My son is on some medications, but it doesn't keep him from getting fixated and stuck on issues. Once he starts to get stuck (beginning stages of his meltdown) the best thing I can do is be supportive and consistent.  This is very easier said than done, especially when it happens daily or multiple times throughout a day.  It totally wears me out and I find myself depressed and exhausted.  I have been told in the past to take him to a neurologist, but have put it off due to other doctor bills.  I think after watching the show I need to find a neurologist experienced in brain imaging and Asperger Syndrome, maybe they can help him feel calmer. 

  

Once they have a brain scan, do they use medication to treat the areas that are not fully functioning, and are there other treatments the neurologists use for social skills? 

  

Great show for awareness, I taped it show all my friends and family! :o) 

  

Connie 

Kansas City Area 

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:56 pm PST

That sounds like me.

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I have a mild form of Autism.  It's probably Aspergers now, but at the time I was diagnosed, it was an extreme form of Autism. (48/50) The thing that probably lessened my Autism was 2 things; I was diagnosed at 18 months, and my Mom and my sister never gave up. Now I'm 13, and I'm basically like a "normal" kid, I talk, don't throw fits fits (though I can get a bit moody like all teens do), and I soical with other kids. One thing I probably recommend to other people that have kids with Autism is to keep them around other people that don't have special needs. I think being around kids without special needs helped my social matters a lot. I'm not saying I'm prefect, I have things about me that I find harder to deal with then other do. I have to work VERY hard to figure out a social situation, and I find it hard to forgive people. I work hard, get lots of A's (sorry had to say that), and I know that I'm lucky to be able to type this.

 When I said I have Asperger's Syndrome, that means I have a form of high-functioning autism.  When I was diagnosed as autistic at 2 years old, I had the severe form of autism.  

  

At 17, I feel like I'm a normal person.  I am also very verbal (I guess I can be a chatterbox sometimes, lol!), and I'm social with other people. 

  

I also find it hard to forgive others.  At one of my local grocery stores, I saw one of my old friends.  When I was in 8th grade and she was in 7th grade, she stole one of my watches.   She gave it back and apologized the next day.  I forgive her and I'm willing to remain friends with her, but I find it hard to forget.   

  

Because of my good grades in high school, I believe I might graduate early.  Now that'll be a big accomplishment I'll be making.  I want to make all my friends, family members, and former teachers proud of me. 

  

I feel very lucky that I'm able to tell others my story.  I also hope that it will make a difference in others' lives. 

 
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January 17, 2006, 8:57 pm PST

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My five year old little boy has Asperger's. The hardest part for me is not knowing when he is being bratty, jealous of his little sister, or just overstimulated and demonstrating Asperger behaviors. I don't know when to redirect his behavior, I can't punish him for something he has no control of. I didn't get to watch the show but I have read all of these posts and see Shane in many of them. He is so brillant, sweet and good natured but he does get moody and lash out for no apparant reason. He likes things to be done in his very specific way and we aren't to deviate from it. That is what scares me, we can reorganize our life for him but the world can't and won't do it for him as he gets older. I just wish I knew what behaviors were typical five year old what behaviors are typical five year old with Asperger's. What is rage and what is a five year old tantrum? He has been getting early intervention and wrap around service for two years now and has made remarkable progress especially with his sensory dysfunction. Now that we know what sets him off sensory wise we can eliminate much of the unpleasant stimuli that would cause him to lash out at other children and even himself. Good luck to all parents with children on the Autism spectrum. Shane is a beautiful blessing in our lives and even though we face challenges daily his Asperger's has added a dynamic to his personality that I  feel has blessed all our lives.
I agree. I have a six year old with HFA and I often have a difficult time seperating out which behaviors are related to the autism i.e. he has little or no control over and which behaviors are typical childhood rebellion. My best advice for sorting all this out is to look at the "ABC's" What is the Antecedent or what are the contributing factors be fore the rage/tantrums, what is the exact Behavior and what are the Consequence or what happens immediately following the behavior. I keep a notebook of these things and try to find a pattern or potentia lexplanation for the behavior. Once identified I use trial and error by process of elimination.
 
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January 17, 2006, 9:13 pm PST

Having problems with my 3 1/2 year old son.

I am having alot of problems with my son.  First, He is very hyper, climbs on everything, gets into everything, wont listen, hits himself, has bad fits over just about anything and no matter what I do he stays this way.  Most of it started around 1 " fits " to 2 " hitting himself ".  It has just been getting worse since.   He also will not look at me even if I hold his head he is looking somewhere else.  He talks fine, walks around fine.  When we go to church they have to normally have 1 person just watching my son.  If they do things/ activity's with the children he wants no part of it.  He is very definat!  He is in his own little world.  He doesn't get along with kids.  He either ignores them, annoy's them or is mean to them.  Should I think about aking my son to see someone to be evaluated?   

  

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January 17, 2006, 9:16 pm PST

SARRC

Ok, last post for the night, 

  

SARRC Southwest Autism Research and Resource Center is a GREAT tool.  I know it is not very well known, I understand that it is NOT nation wide and that most of you cannot get to classes offered by them.  BUT, I challange everyone in this, if asked for and if referrals are obtained, I believe with all of my heart from working with these people in the past that they WILL at least point you in the direction of help and if not, they will send you, possibly for a fee, the info.  They are wonderful, loving, caring people who get the spectrum. 

  

Dr Phil, I personally challange you not to let this go.  I personally challange you to take this on as a cause.  Because I KNOW it is growing, I KNOW it is affecting hundereds of thousands of families in this country.  I have looked, I DO know.  Dan Marino is a father of a child on the spectrum if you need a high powered name to use, he GETS it.  Dr Melmed in Scottsdale AZ is my dr I use for my son, he GETS it.  He is also the medical Director of SARRC, and he LIKES to speak out and help these kids. 

  

I along with others I read posts from, were hoping for more tonight.  I really was.  I was hoping for more than a spotlight on the worst of it, I was hoping for more on the good parts, like the high intelligence level of these kids and some real life answers that we could hang our hats on.  I WILL look into the scans, I am a single mom and financially it will be hard to afford, but I will look into it and any treatments available discovered by it.  But help us!  This just wasnt enough, we need more.  DDD does not recognize our kids unless in the system before age 6 and even then they tend to kick our kids out after age 6.  Fact!  The govn't does not help with this disability and it can be more profound than they realize.  It effects every aspect of our kids lives. 

  

And as you probaly get already, it affects all of their family also, my mom, his grandmother got a new prespective tonight, but even she said she needed more, real life tools that might help.  So I challange you not to let this go, to take it on more.  I even volunteer my own family as a case study because it has gotten to the breaking point.   

  

I don't agree with a mother cussing at her child as we saw tonight, but I can honestly tell you I have hit that point too, many more times than I like to admit.  I have also hit the point of spanking as hard as I can due to frustration and that I cry myself to sleep after every single one of these instances because I BELIEVE in some way, it is my fault.  Whether due to my service in the gulf, my ex's family hx of Tourette's, which I acknowledge I did not pay attention to, I didnt understand.  I believe in my gut it was somehow my fault, whether it was my service in the gulf, my smoking while pregnant, my marrying a man with a family hx of tourette's, or exposure to vaccines outside of this country.  I did all of those things to my child.  How do i stop blaming myself?  The evidence is quite overwhelming I did it in one way or another. 

  

How can you REALLY help?  Not just show us off and raise understanding, which we do need, but most of all we NEED help we BEG for it. 

Jen 

 
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January 17, 2006, 9:18 pm PST

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I am having alot of problems with my son.  First, He is very hyper, climbs on everything, gets into everything, wont listen, hits himself, has bad fits over just about anything and no matter what I do he stays this way.  Most of it started around 1 " fits " to 2 " hitting himself ".  It has just been getting worse since.   He also will not look at me even if I hold his head he is looking somewhere else.  He talks fine, walks around fine.  When we go to church they have to normally have 1 person just watching my son.  If they do things/ activity's with the children he wants no part of it.  He is very definat!  He is in his own little world.  He doesn't get along with kids.  He either ignores them, annoy's them or is mean to them.  Should I think about aking my son to see someone to be evaluated?   

  

Thanks,  

Jamie 

get him into a developmental pediatritian, they are the only ones who an correctly diagnose this in my personal experiance.  I highly recommend finding a developmental pediatrition.  They can answer questions a normal pediatrician only knows if a special area of interest.
 
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January 17, 2006, 9:19 pm PST

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I have a wonderful, kind,brilliant 8 year old son who was diagnosed with AS at age 5.  He has strenghts and weaknesses just as we all do.  What is "different" about him is that his strenghts far outweigh his weaknesses. He knows all about AS and he knows it is an excuse for nothing and it is ABSOLUTELY noting to be ashamed about. He has a nice circle of friends who like Ben for Ben and respect him because he has earned their respect.  He is my hero.  All that is wonderful in this world is in my son, and none of the judgemental bigetry and nonsensical hatred.  He sees no logic in it.  I am growing more and more tired of asking my son to change to accomodate a society that expects us all to be cookie cutter models of each other.  Dr. Phil's show gave a naive audience a glimpse of the dark moments in the life of an adolescent with AS.  All people have those moments.  Fortunately they are not aired on national television.  Dr. Phil, I am also a teacher of children with autism spectrum disorders and there is not a day that goes by that I am not in awe and inspired by them.  The world needs to see this side of AS and ASDs, so that these unique individuals can be embrassed and encouraged.  It is this population that has been given gifts beyond those we can understand.  They can and will change this crazy world.  By the way Boston Legal aired tonight and had a story line about AS that was handled significantly better than Dr. Phil's version.  Too bad. 

Michelle  MSEd 

Benjamin's very proud mom 

 
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January 17, 2006, 9:20 pm PST

Thanks

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I have a mild form of Autism.  It's probably Aspergers now, but at the time I was diagnosed, it was an extreme form of Autism. (48/50) The thing that probably lessened my Autism was 2 things; I was diagnosed at 18 months, and my Mom and my sister never gave up. Now I'm 13, and I'm basically like a "normal" kid, I talk, don't throw fits fits (though I can get a bit moody like all teens do), and I soical with other kids. One thing I probably recommend to other people that have kids with Autism is to keep them around other people that don't have special needs. I think being around kids without special needs helped my social matters a lot. I'm not saying I'm prefect, I have things about me that I find harder to deal with then other do. I have to work VERY hard to figure out a social situation, and I find it hard to forgive people. I work hard, get lots of A's (sorry had to say that), and I know that I'm lucky to be able to type this.
Thank you for writing about yourself. It's very helpful to read from others who have AS. My son is 16 w/ AS. It's hard to know how much to push for him to be out there w/ other kids and go to social functions- or even church. He often would rather keep escaped on the computer; or sometimes he's too tired to get up to go somewhere we're going. I've read NOT to make teens go to things. That it's ok if they want to be alone. I'm glad my son wants to go out more now, more than he did last yr when he got so depressed. Thank you for letting me know it's good to keep him around other non- special needs kids. I DO see it helping him learn the social norms. But i also fear him being made fun of and rejected. Since he's at a decent private school, that rarely happens- they don't tolerate that and he's found a few good accepting kids to sit with, etc. It's also good to hear how you've improved, actually changed and gotten better, because i always questioned whether my son really had any autistic problems because professionals kept saying autism/AS people don't change. And my son stopped some behaviors, like the rocking. He was just diagnosed w/ PDD so far, but i've known since about age 2 that he had autistic symptoms. Thanks for making me laugh- about getting A's. My son does that too! LOL You should write some more thoughts and ideas for us parents to do better with our kids.
 
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January 17, 2006, 9:22 pm PST

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 When I said I have Asperger's Syndrome, that means I have a form of high-functioning autism.  When I was diagnosed as autistic at 2 years old, I had the severe form of autism.  

  

At 17, I feel like I'm a normal person.  I am also very verbal (I guess I can be a chatterbox sometimes, lol!), and I'm social with other people. 

  

I also find it hard to forgive others.  At one of my local grocery stores, I saw one of my old friends.  When I was in 8th grade and she was in 7th grade, she stole one of my watches.   She gave it back and apologized the next day.  I forgive her and I'm willing to remain friends with her, but I find it hard to forget.   

  

Because of my good grades in high school, I believe I might graduate early.  Now that'll be a big accomplishment I'll be making.  I want to make all my friends, family members, and former teachers proud of me. 

  

I feel very lucky that I'm able to tell others my story.  I also hope that it will make a difference in others' lives. 

God bless you!  You give me hope for my own chld, I try hard to keep him with as "normal" an enviornment as possible.  Thank you for posting, love to you always!
 
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