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Does your child rage, scream and kick doors? Is his or her behavior the typical brattiness of a spoiled child, or involuntary behavior beyond the child's control? Dr. Phil sheds light on a pair of widely misunderstood extreme neurological disorders. First, he looks at Asperger's syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism which can cause a person to lack control over his or her emotions, including anger. Rich and Karen's 15-year-old son, Alex, was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 6. His sudden fits of rage and erratic behavior have put a strain on his whole family. Should his parents be afraid of Alex, or is there something they can do to bring his behavior under control? Plus, Craig, 37, can't control his physical tics, nor can he keep from constantly uttering obscenities, literally hundreds of times a day. Craig suffers from Tourette syndrome, an affliction that's gotten so bad, he won't go into grocery stores, movie theatres or any public place for fear he'll be kicked out. What will the disorder mean for his plans to start a family? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 21, 2006, 3:27 pm PST

Unfortunate

I think the show on Extreme Disorders was unfortunate in it's portrayal of Aspergers.  Not all people with Aspergers have rage problems.  Since the show mostly focused on Alex's rage, I think they would have been better off not mentioning the Aspergers and just titling it Rage.  There are so many positives and negatives of Aspergers that weren't brought up.  Many people who saw the show weren't familiar with Aspergers and I'm afraid that people are now going to be thinking that our children are dangerous.  My son is 11 yrs old and has Aspergers.  I really don't need that stigma attached to him and people afraid of him! 

  

It would be nice to see a show totally dedicated to the topic of Aspergers, covering the negatives and positives, featuring a family really struggling and then someone who has really done well and can give us hope. 

  

I also think that when someone is experiencing rage, one of the worst things you should do is scream and yell at them.  It tends to make things worse. 

 
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January 21, 2006, 7:48 pm PST

01/17 Extreme Disorders

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Well , we return from the dr's and we won't know for sure on anything until a few weeks but my 9 yr. old son mite possibly have AS or Spd. I'm feeling very hopeful now. I know I can't cure him but at least I'll know how to help him. It's still scary though. I'm hoping with therpy we can help him be more independent and more self esteem. And maybe eventually return to school. We are currently homeschooling. His grades were great in public school but he was having meltdowns and refusing to do his work and go to school. Thats when we decided to homeschool until we could figure out what was wrong. The ped. also thinks he could have a written expression disorder. If anybody has any info on that , that they would like to share please do. Grateful for any. Thanks  

My soon to be 10 year old has Aspergers with ADHD.  He was diagnosed about 1 year ago at the ADHD Clinic here at Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles.  I actually brought him because I believed him to be just ADHD.  My 11 year old has ADD and I had actually brought the 2 of them to get tested.   

  

Aspergers is indeed a very large spectrum.  The symptom that truly stood out were the meltdowns.  The meltdowns were brought on by feeling overwhelmed with sensory feelings- specifically tactile.  Everything bothers him.  Clothing is a big issue.  He only likes a certain kinds of sports sock so that is what I get him. Many kinds of shirts bother him so I buy him the kind of shirts he likes in bulk.  People who see him must think I'm some kinds of miser since they always see him in the same shirt!  His psychiatrist described him as a boy with an exclamation point.  What puts him in the Aspergers profile is the fact that he has OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) and the sensory issues.  If you have insurance OCD along with some other diagnosis will qualify you under AB88 which allows you psychological counciling over the standard 30 visits per year.   

We are in LAUSD- Don't let people fool you the district will do anything to not give you services.  Tons of money pouring in but the schools never see it.  As I speak to the administrators in the system they treat me like I'm an idiot.  I have a degree from a prestigious university and feel I've researched enough to do a master's thesis on special education.  My solution was to homeschool through a public charter program in California.  I find them actually more caring than ANYONE I've talked to in Los Angeles Unified.  My boys have a special education tutor and they also have occupational therapy.  It is still very hard and I am finding it hard to cope sometimes.  We sought services at an institute that does neurobiofeedback.  They did the brain mapping and all of that.  After the first  20 visits there was great improvement in behavior  as time went on it has plateaued and I would say there has been about 10% improvement in behavior- that's also after $5000 for this service.  I am curious to hear how Alex does with his therapy with Brain Matters.  Have tried the food restrictions and all of that.  It is especially difficult to do with an ASP child.  Let me revise that- impossible.  You pick your battles one at a time.   

 
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January 21, 2006, 8:16 pm PST

its not you

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Why is it when Adults with a learning disability, like Asperger Syndrome, (I have it) get involved with someone who does not have a brain disorder, abuse always seems to happen.  

  

Does having a learning disability cause the person who has a brain disorder to be rotten and therefore desevering of the abuse? 

i can relate to you in many ways but all i really want to tell you is that it can cause the attitude and sometimes push it, and you know what im talking about, but please understand that someone who loves you would understand and work with you on it, no one ever has the right to hit or verbally abuse you even if you think you bring it on yourself.
 
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January 21, 2006, 8:24 pm PST

A question for Alex and his parents

 I was wondering what your suggestion might be for approaching a child about their diagnosis? How old was Alex when he first heard that he had Asperger's? Did you sit him down, was his Dr. involved...

Our 11 year old son has always been taught that his differences are something to be proud of, that everybody learns differently and that is why he is at a different school than his brother, etc.  He has a lot of self-esteem up to this point.

It's just that lately he has been questioning more about why he is 'different' than other kids and why are they are mean to him - telling him that he's not cool, he's weird, and so on. It just seems that we have been waiting for the perfect moment to tell him about Asperger's but the older he gets, the more I am realizing that there is no perfect moment!

What do you suggest? It would be nice to hear from Alex's perspective too, if possible.

Thank you,
A proud Mom


 
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January 21, 2006, 9:39 pm PST

"Circle of Friends"

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My 12 year old son is diagnosed with high functioning autism.  He is a very sweet, compliant child, but has a difficult time playing, socializing and interacting with his peers.  Last year, I went into all the fourth grade classrooms at his school and explained autism, and ask if any of the children would be willing to join his circle of friends.  This group of children meets once a week, after school, where they either learn social skills, set goals for our child that they participate in ( phone skills, introductions, staying on topic) or play game.  The children have been very compassionate and cooperative.  Our hope is that in the future this group will provide him with a group of friendly faces in middle school, as well as some protection against teasing and bullying.  I am amazed at the committment these children have made.  I also feel that these children benefit from learning the true meaning of "friendship" and acceptance.  This idea came from a state autism conference, where a speaker discussed "Circle of Friends."
What a heartwarming post. A wonderful idea which sounds like a win/win situation for all of the children. I hope it continues to be beneficial for all of them! AC
 
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January 22, 2006, 7:39 am PST

my apologies

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 I have been through all the pain over the past 6-7 years or more. I know what it is like to be involved with this problem and have no support from friends and family. I have been told "you son just needs discipline and he isn't getting it." or "its a parenting problem", when I knew it was something else. I am a money poor single parent. I have never been able to benefit from any program that costs money to use, I have simply had to do it all myself. My son is in public school. I have had to advocate for his education all by myself, now lawyers, etc, because I have no money for things like that. I did make changes in the school system for my son, both here in Cincinnati and in the Dallas area where we used to live. I don't know where the strength came from, but I somehow managed to do it by myself. Because of my efforts, things are good at school for my son.

It seems to me that you too are pointing fingers and jumping to conclusions that you have no right to jump to. I give my opinions from having been there and done that, all by myself, as a single parent, as a person with no backing what-so-ever, and so I can say things with some degree of confidence. My son became my priority. To say I have no compassion is just wrong. But it doesn't matter. I have done enough to help others that your saying that about me means nothing. Sometimes some 'in your face' honesty is what is needed. If a parent has just recently gotten a diagnosis of ASD and has endured years of pain over not knowing what was wrong, that is when the compassion is needed the most. Then the education process begins, the parents learn what needs to be done for their child. After many years of KNOWING the diagnosis, and with all the resources that are out there, there really is no excuse for still bombarding your child with negatives and with pushing his 'trigger' buttons. That simply boils down to a parent needing some parental training, not to getting brain scans done, etc,etc,etc. Sorry but that is my 2 cents. BTW, how contrived was this taping anyway? Is there a reason they did the program this way? I am still appalled at how the parents pushed this kid when I and many, many other parents of ASD children saw what was going on with this child. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see it, and you don't have to have spend a lot of money to learn about it. There still needs to be a program on parents who have LEARNED what Asperger Syndrome is and how to handle the AS child. I will be happy when that side of the issue is properly exposed. These kids are not a danger to their girlfriends or wives. Sheesh. The point is, the more we educate others, and ourselves, the better we can help these individuals to socially integrate, to survive in this society. If we treat them like they are bad people and bombard them with our own lack of control, they will never learn what to do to survive.
I am very sorry-you are right ...I did just as you did and turned to finger pointing...I should not have done that as well as presumed you had a much easier time of things....I applaud you in your strength,your compassion for our children...all I am trying to express is the need for compassion for some parents who do not possess the same qualities that you possess...You must be very proud of yourself...i know I was before my break-down...I worked long years almost 9 yrs to get someone to finally realize what was really wrong...I have huge binders full of information I found on the internet to educate myself...I went to many professionals who they themselves didnt really know how to help...my heart sinks knowing that someone out there was able to do what I myself couldnt do for my own son...I have helped many other special needs children and God help me ,I couldnt even help my own son....but I will end this here...as I had to learn not to beat myself up so much about that so that I could further help my son in the present situation we are in now...and by the way...another reason ,altho it tears my heart out....it is best he is living with dad...is his sister's well-being and safety...he was very aggressive towards her since she was a baby-so some parents do need to safe-guard with some AS children...i am almost certain that if he had only had the AS he might have been gentler...and with all my work with him as well and now that his dad has finally stepped in (I cared for my son myself without my exe's help for about 5 yrs)....anyway...I think I am beating a dead horse...so I will start to focus on the more faithful,hopeful and more helpful messages....I am done with the finger-pointing...and again I apologize for stooping to that level!Best wishes and you have done an awesome job I know now...by your own means ,energies and will power... :)
 
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January 22, 2006, 7:51 am PST


 Dear Dr. Phil,

I was offended by the name of this show.  AS in many peoples opinion is not an "extreme disorder".  This is a catchy title maybe thought up to draw in a large audience.  But, when speaking of people on the autism spectrum, I find this title very insulting.  These people need to be addressed in a respectful way. 

Asperger's Syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder.  Just as snowflakes are not alike, no two children with AS are alike.  A show about AS should have addressed the diagnostic criteria and different positive interventions, modifications, etc to help these children  feel good about themselves.  These children suffer due to being misunderstood.  You could have shed some light on this issue instead of trying to "scan brains".  These people are not broken in need of fixing.  They are in need of respect, patience and kind understanding.  You would not  force a wheel chair bound person to walk, so why would you try and force a AS person to be "normal".

Alex was so defeated.  His parents have drummed into his head that he is broken.  How upsetting and sad.  What will become of Alex with parents that fail to understand AS and be kind and patient with Alex.  They screamed at him and used abusive language.  The spotlight should of been on them, and how they need help .  Not on Alex.

I hope, Dr. Phil, that you will do more investigative work into AS.  Again,  AS persons are not broken in need of fixing.  They  could use positive support to help them learn how to navigate through  this cruel hard world.

Sincerely,
Merrill


 
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January 22, 2006, 8:57 am PST

Need to more completely addres aspergers

Quote From: aspiemom1

I think the show on Extreme Disorders was unfortunate in it's portrayal of Aspergers.  Not all people with Aspergers have rage problems.  Since the show mostly focused on Alex's rage, I think they would have been better off not mentioning the Aspergers and just titling it Rage.  There are so many positives and negatives of Aspergers that weren't brought up.  Many people who saw the show weren't familiar with Aspergers and I'm afraid that people are now going to be thinking that our children are dangerous.  My son is 11 yrs old and has Aspergers.  I really don't need that stigma attached to him and people afraid of him! 

  

It would be nice to see a show totally dedicated to the topic of Aspergers, covering the negatives and positives, featuring a family really struggling and then someone who has really done well and can give us hope. 

  

I also think that when someone is experiencing rage, one of the worst things you should do is scream and yell at them.  It tends to make things worse. 

I agree with this poster 100%.  I hope Dr. Phil's staff is paying attention.
 
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January 22, 2006, 10:56 am PST

I hear you...

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I have a 7 year old son who has extreme episodes of rage and emotional outbursts.  These are not often but sometimes they are a daily occurance, while other times it may go a few weeks without one.  He gets very distraught afterward.  He is very smart and logically realizes that how he acted was not acceptable but gets so emotional about not being able to control it.  He also has some deep impulse control issues.  He once cried to me at age 4 that he felt like something was wrong in his  brain and he could not stop. 

  

After years of trying to get him help he was diagnosed this fall with ADD.  Although I believe he does demonstrate some ADD I feel there is something else going on.  Who do we see to get the appropriate tesing done to ACCURATELY diagnose or rule out this disorder.  Is a scan of his brain the most definitive diagnostic tool?  Where can we have one done? 

  

I am quite grieved about this for my son...it has been so stressful, dealing with him and then friends and their children, his brother, grandparents etc.  I just feel so much judgement and criticism.  He can feel it too.  I just want to curl up in a ball and cry.  I am so unsure of the journey he has before him no matter what the diagnosis.  I would really appreciate some guidance and input. 

  

Thanks 

The best way is possibly through his school asking which agency would be involved in having a psychologist to do testing...when I went thru it -and I am from Canada (Ontario) it almost took a year tho...6maybe there is a quicker way...run with your gut and dont let anyone tell you otherwise but please do me a favor....please make sure you make time for yourself-I know it is hard...I tried turning in so many directions only to do it alone...I had friends and family who thought they were helping but only came around during mild times which they thought were tough....after denying for years tho that it was this or that or not that bad....and never really saw the worst of it....partly because I shielded my son and them from it so not to turn attention to him and so people wouldnt label him as a bad kid...he is an awesome boy...I fought for almost 9 yrs with no one really taking me serious....my ex left me probably because all my focus was on trying to find someone to listen...so please if there is anyway possible you can take a few hours here or there even if you have to tell family you have an appoinment or something and even if you think no one else can deal with it....go take time for yourself,without guilt not just for a break but to be able to regain enough energy and strength to deal with the next outburst or meltdowns or whatever you want to call them...take care of you first...I didnt and I burned out ...I hope that someday I will find that fight I had in me back then./....I am sure you will do fine...ask for help....but take a break as much as you can to help your son and to survive....
 
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January 22, 2006, 11:17 am PST

Partners Tx

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Check out the Parent Training and Information Center website at www.partnerstx.org for Texas.  Partners Resource Network has free information and resources for families of students with disabilities. We are a not for profit organization and have regional coordinators that cover the various Education Service Center regions in Texas.  There are 3 projects with offices that have toll free telephone numbers. 

  

Each state in the United States should have a Parent Training and Information Center and/or Community Parent Resource Center.  These centers can assist with IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Education Act), disability information, local resources, preparing for school meetings, reviewing IEP's (Individual Education Plans), just to name a few. 

  

I am a parent of a 16 year old son who has had too many diagnosis to list. We suspect Aspergers or Pervasive Developmental Disorder. I am a Regional Coordinator for Partners Resource Network and previously worked in the classroom as a Special Education Teacher. 

  

I have been through many ups and downs and continue to persevere because my goal for my son is that he become a productive adult with his gifts shining.  Talking to others with similar experiences helps each one of us to know that we aren't alone and that our paths may be rocky, but there are others who understand and are compassionate. 

Thank you.  I looked at the website.  Where do I begin.  My son had an ARD meeting in  December 2005 and was tabled/put on hold because he did not qualify for any services and was passing all of his classes.  The team met again in October 2006 without me and again disqualified him.    His office referrals are because he did not tuck in his shirt and the teacher has to redirect him several times.  He then becomes defiant.  I have been told the teachers do not have to put up with this and send him to the office.  With so many office referrals he was suspended.  I have been told this is oppositional behavior or a defiant disorder and does not qualify him for anything.  The door has been SHUT in my face.  I am on my own.  He is currently failing 3 classes.  The only good news about being suspended at on off site campus he will be able to bring up his grades but my major concern is what is going to happen when he returns????  Where do I start???        
 
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