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Dr. Phil revisits some of his most amazing stories of the season. First, Tim and Anne Marie were desperate to save their mother, Sylvia, who was constantly talking to the voices in her head. After 10 weeks of treatment, see the inspirational turn Sylvia has taken. What will she say when she meets Dr. Phil face to face? Then, just over a month ago, two women told Dr. Phil how they fell victim to alleged con man and bigamist Ed Hicks. See how their story helped another woman and brought Hicks into police custody. Plus, 18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared last May during a senior class trip to the island of Aruba. Dr. Phil is joined by Natalee’s mother, Beth, her lawyer, and a consultant to the Aruban government who defends the work of the investigators. Have there been new revelations since the last time Beth appeared on the show? Could rescuers be on the brink of finding the missing teen? Talk about the show here.

 

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January 22, 2006, 7:11 am PST

01/19 Follow-ups

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1. I am Dutch, not Arubian.  

2. The only country I need to fear is the USA. Becose it's the only country in this word who is so eager the have absolute word power. "You're for us, or you're against us". Well let me no choise. (I can't be neutral, can I)  

And let me tell you, you can never say to another country do this, or otherwise you don't treat us with respect. That's stupid / dump.  

  

As I already have said: You don't get respect by forse, you have to earn it.  

The US doesn't respect other country's, so why should we need to treat you (americans) like Gods?  

I don't know any Americans who want to be treated like Gods. And I don't agree with a lot of our foreign policy. But I'm going to tell you something that I've come to understand. If other countries want our help, if we are going to consider ourselves the "world's police" and get away with it (because we do), then we are going to expect certain things from certain countries (the ones we help the most). That's the bit that I can understand. What I can't agree with or understand is what you're talking about- trying to force countries that really don't need our help or ask for our help to fit our mold of what's right or wrong.  

  

And the USA is not the only country who is "eager to have absolute world power" and I can't ever recall anyone from America even implying that. However, I do seem to recall Hitler wanting absolute world power, and many Middle Eastern terrorist groups, with the sanction of the government in which they operate, trying to gain world power. Maybe I'm a bit biased because I live in the USA, but all I've seen us do is try to spread democracy (which I think is ironic, considering we're not a democracy but a republic). If that, to others, implies trying for world domination, then I think we're all doomed. 

 
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January 22, 2006, 10:22 am PST

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1. I am Dutch, not Arubian.  

2. The only country I need to fear is the USA. Becose it's the only country in this word who is so eager the have absolute word power. "You're for us, or you're against us". Well let me no choise. (I can't be neutral, can I)  

And let me tell you, you can never say to another country do this, or otherwise you don't treat us with respect. That's stupid / dump.  

  

As I already have said: You don't get respect by forse, you have to earn it.  

The US doesn't respect other country's, so why should we need to treat you (americans) like Gods?  

Then maybe the US should stop giving other countries money and we should definetly do as Dr. Phil stated and not visit Aruba any more. I'm sure when the Arubian economy takes a hit then the Americans won't be so bad.
 
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January 22, 2006, 1:09 pm PST

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Then maybe the US should stop giving other countries money and we should definetly do as Dr. Phil stated and not visit Aruba any more. I'm sure when the Arubian economy takes a hit then the Americans won't be so bad.
It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance of people from other countries who love to criticize America as being  errogant, power hungry, non-respectful, unfeeling, out of touch with the rest of the world and yet..... No other country donates more money to help  the people of corrupt goverments in the entire world than the "Disrespectful USA"
 
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January 22, 2006, 5:04 pm PST

Amy Bradley

I also wonder about  Amy. Is there any new information about her? I pray for both Amy and Natalee and hope with Dr. Phil's help they will be found very soon.
 
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January 22, 2006, 7:38 pm PST

Aruba is being treated unfairly

That is my opinion in all of this. OK we all agree the police messed up BIG time here, but can you blame them? They were untill May 30th 2006 only dealing with minor crime and occasional hit and runs mostly involving a car and an animal. But to go that far and boycot the island is simply a selfish act of Mrs. Twitty. Why didn't she think of that when everybody on the island was searching for her daughter. Most of the island, including me, think these boys had something to do with her dissappearance, but there are simply no exact account of what happened that night. I also saw on a tv show how Mrs. Twitty said that these boys raped and killed her daughter on their island. I'm sorry to correct you but these guys are NOT Arubians. They happen to live there, but were not born or descendants of Arubians. Did the rest of the world boycott the USA when innocent foreigners were killed during 911 and your President instead of hunting down the terrorists decided to invade Iraq? Think of that!!
 
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January 22, 2006, 7:41 pm PST

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 Since when did residing in the United States preclude one from criticizing the President or any other aspect of our government?  The freedom to do just that is the very reason many people choose to live in this country. Perhaps you should consider a move.  And, by the way, stopping to look up someone's profile and then using the info to berate them seems disturbing and a little stalker-like to me--I'll save you the trouble I live in Houston, TX .

I didn’t completely understand your posting. Yahootie had a post about WHY Americans are concerned about this 19 yr. old’s disappearance when Floortie posted a very angry and, I felt hate-filled tirade against ALL Americans.  

As an American, I feel that freedom of speech is what so many of our ancestors fought and died for. I do defend any persons right to freedom of speech. I ASSUMED that this poor individual-Floortie- was in some foreign country being shelled by fall-out from the war in Iraq-which I’m not happy about, either. I was just curious to see where this VERY ANGRY and hate-filled person was-as this is the ‘World Wide Web’. I found that this Anti-American listed his country as the ”US”. 

This web site allows for users to check on those kinds of things. Thus, I’m not a stalker and have no interest in WHERE you live.  

From your post I’m not really sure you read the post I was responding to nor did you read the heartfelt post by Yahootie about why Americans CARE when someone like Natalee just vanishes. 

Just to clarify! 

Thanks 

 
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January 23, 2006, 9:03 am PST

01/19 Follow-ups

Quote From: my_2angels

I don't know any Americans who want to be treated like Gods. And I don't agree with a lot of our foreign policy. But I'm going to tell you something that I've come to understand. If other countries want our help, if we are going to consider ourselves the "world's police" and get away with it (because we do), then we are going to expect certain things from certain countries (the ones we help the most). That's the bit that I can understand. What I can't agree with or understand is what you're talking about- trying to force countries that really don't need our help or ask for our help to fit our mold of what's right or wrong.  

  

And the USA is not the only country who is "eager to have absolute world power" and I can't ever recall anyone from America even implying that. However, I do seem to recall Hitler wanting absolute world power, and many Middle Eastern terrorist groups, with the sanction of the government in which they operate, trying to gain world power. Maybe I'm a bit biased because I live in the USA, but all I've seen us do is try to spread democracy (which I think is ironic, considering we're not a democracy but a republic). If that, to others, implies trying for world domination, then I think we're all doomed. 

 And "spreading democracy" is nessecarily a good thing? Just so you know I have a background in international affairs, and have taken classes in foreign policy analysis, political theory, and international law and relations as well as world history and cross-cultural understanding.  So I have the education to back up my critic of the way Americans tend to handle themselves abroad, and the problems that the spread of "American culture" has caused.   Allowing countries to develop a political and social system that works for them  on their own is much more successful  rather than imposing the US system on them  or expecting them to use the US as a model is not a good idea at all.  I am aware this worked in Japan post WWII, but even then the model still needed modifications.  That is only ONE successful example and can hardly be used to demonstrate ":success" on a large scale.

Just because the US is not the "only" country that would like to have its will enforced abroad does NOT in any way, shape or form make it RIGHT.

As far as terrrorism goes I highly doubt that many people have the basis for an understanding of why terrorists do the things that they do.  So let me school you a bit.  That they are trying to "gain world power" is simply not true.  That is not the agenda of most terrorist organizations.  Most often these groups are simply trying to gain some for of publicity by doing these actions in order to promote a political or social agenda.  In fact a lot of these groups are people who are frustrated and relatively powerless, they can not promote change through traditional means so they turn to terrorism.  That's just ONE theory, though they all follow some of the same lines.
 
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January 23, 2006, 9:19 am PST

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That is my opinion in all of this. OK we all agree the police messed up BIG time here, but can you blame them? They were untill May 30th 2006 only dealing with minor crime and occasional hit and runs mostly involving a car and an animal. But to go that far and boycot the island is simply a selfish act of Mrs. Twitty. Why didn't she think of that when everybody on the island was searching for her daughter. Most of the island, including me, think these boys had something to do with her dissappearance, but there are simply no exact account of what happened that night. I also saw on a tv show how Mrs. Twitty said that these boys raped and killed her daughter on their island. I'm sorry to correct you but these guys are NOT Arubians. They happen to live there, but were not born or descendants of Arubians. Did the rest of the world boycott the USA when innocent foreigners were killed during 911 and your President instead of hunting down the terrorists decided to invade Iraq? Think of that!!
 I totally agree, the police messed up, we should move on.  I don't think a large scale boycott of Aruba is even a possibility. Sure, you'll have people that will do it, just to feel "moral", but guess what I bet the MAJORITY of the tourists fromt he US that go to ARUBA year after year  will still continue to go there.

The US should be concerned about correcting its own screw ups rather than the screw ups of another country.  Let me give an example, that has to do with foreigners in this country.  One of my former tenants and her son are from the Ukraine.  Her son is 15 and went home last year to visit his grandmother.   When he tried to return to the US he was held in Austria for 14 hours because the INS had the date wrong on his residence paper work so he could not be let back into the US.   His mother, nine months pregant at the time had to take the bus up to D.C. from OHIO to take the ORIGINAL paperwork of hers to INS so that they could take those and fax them to Austria so he could coem home.  THEN she had to wait for him ALONE for hours to get to DC.  It was a mess.   We (as in her, my mother and myself) called the office that handled her case to complain, did she or her son get so much as a "We are sorry for your inconveinence''? No, because everyone in the department was trying to cover their backside, and no one would admit it even happened.  Sure he ended up back here safe and sound, but what is he hadn't, or what if somethng had happened to his mother in the airport?

Bottom line is, there are screw ups everywhere and you don't always recieve just compensation for the mistakes of others. It's a fact of life.
 
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January 23, 2006, 10:17 am PST

On a bit of a high horse, aren't we?

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 And "spreading democracy" is nessecarily a good thing? Just so you know I have a background in international affairs, and have taken classes in foreign policy analysis, political theory, and international law and relations as well as world history and cross-cultural understanding.  So I have the education to back up my critic of the way Americans tend to handle themselves abroad, and the problems that the spread of "American culture" has caused.   Allowing countries to develop a political and social system that works for them  on their own is much more successful  rather than imposing the US system on them  or expecting them to use the US as a model is not a good idea at all.  I am aware this worked in Japan post WWII, but even then the model still needed modifications.  That is only ONE successful example and can hardly be used to demonstrate ":success" on a large scale.

Just because the US is not the "only" country that would like to have its will enforced abroad does NOT in any way, shape or form make it RIGHT.

As far as terrrorism goes I highly doubt that many people have the basis for an understanding of why terrorists do the things that they do.  So let me school you a bit.  That they are trying to "gain world power" is simply not true.  That is not the agenda of most terrorist organizations.  Most often these groups are simply trying to gain some for of publicity by doing these actions in order to promote a political or social agenda.  In fact a lot of these groups are people who are frustrated and relatively powerless, they can not promote change through traditional means so they turn to terrorism.  That's just ONE theory, though they all follow some of the same lines.

You don't have either the need nor the right to "school" me in anything. I'm plenty "schooled" as it is. The spread of democracy to countries that constantly ask for our aid may not be "right" or "wrong" but it's no where near trying to take over the world, which was my point. Even if terrorists do use their irrational and extremists actions to "promote a political or social agenda," there doesn't seem to be much difference to me then trying to spread their rhetoric and use it to infect other terrorist cells and countries and organizations and governments.  

  

So what is the difference between what they do and what America does? America doesn't use extremist or terrorist actions, for one thing, and we don't use those actions in countries that don't require nearly constant aid from us (Austrailia, the Netherlands, countries that are maintaining their own society and politics successfully). 

  

You tone is not only highly presumptous and rude, but arrogant as well. You can't judge the basis of what I know or don't know on one reply to one message in which I state a partial bit of my beliefs or knowledge to prove a point. 

 
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January 23, 2006, 1:51 pm PST

01/19 Follow-ups

Quote From: my_2angels

You don't have either the need nor the right to "school" me in anything. I'm plenty "schooled" as it is. The spread of democracy to countries that constantly ask for our aid may not be "right" or "wrong" but it's no where near trying to take over the world, which was my point. Even if terrorists do use their irrational and extremists actions to "promote a political or social agenda," there doesn't seem to be much difference to me then trying to spread their rhetoric and use it to infect other terrorist cells and countries and organizations and governments.  

  

So what is the difference between what they do and what America does? America doesn't use extremist or terrorist actions, for one thing, and we don't use those actions in countries that don't require nearly constant aid from us (Austrailia, the Netherlands, countries that are maintaining their own society and politics successfully). 

  

You tone is not only highly presumptous and rude, but arrogant as well. You can't judge the basis of what I know or don't know on one reply to one message in which I state a partial bit of my beliefs or knowledge to prove a point. 

 that's where your wrong, the American government has indeed used terrorism in the past.    It isn't any different but as I've said before wrong is wrong is wrong.  You rpost to me represented some of the common misconceptions and ignorant behavior of many Americans.  And by virtue of my education yes I am presumptions and arrogant, but do to the amount of effort and time and energy I put into these subjects gives me the right to be.

Now I wasn't personally going after you, I was just using your post as an example of some common misconceptions. 
 

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