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(Original Air Date: 01/25/06) Have you ever found yourself in a bizarre situation? Do you think the people around you are acting unusual, and you want to know why? Dr. Phil helps his guests distinguish what's normal and what's not. First up, Lynette doesn't think it's normal for her 78-year-old father, Forrest, to want to be a country music star. Forrest feels like his daughter is discriminating against him because he's old. Then, Suzie says her husband, Steve, won't get rid of the family dog -- even though it recently bit their baby girl in the face, and she had to be rushed to the hospital! Steve wants to know if he's crazy for wanting the dog back in the house. Plus, a guest says she's able to see into the future and wants to know if she should alert her friends to the visions she has about them. Share your thoughts.

 

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March 31, 2006, 9:07 pm PST

03/30 Is This Normal?

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Yes, I do have a child. She was raised along with our 4 dogs. Like I said in my post. Never a bite or any other incident. The little girl SHOULD be able to act like a toddler, I agree with you there. But the parent should act like a parent as well. I know young children are unpredictable. So, if this child was playing outside...would it be safe to say that if the girl wanders out into the street and gets hit by a car, that it's NOT the mother's fault? Doubt it, she'd be charged with child endangerment. She should be able to jump and yell or whatever but not ON THE DOG.
Maybe you just don't remember what a two year old is like, or you had an unusually  well behaved  two year old. But they don't always do what they are supposed to, they are unpredictable and they don't always do what they are told. It doesn't mean this mom wasn't acting like a mom.

What exactly should this mom be doing? Everytime this dog and girl were in the same room she should be on constant guard? Isn't it just easier to lose the damn dog?

And a livingroom isn't a street. A livingroom should be kid friendly. My livingroom is 99% baby friendly, meaning she is safe and welcomed to play and touch things.  I can't imagine, if you are being truthful, that you kept a constant eye on your kids when around the dogs. What else did you have time for? Did you keep the dogs outside? Your kids NEVER leaped on a dog or were left alone with a dog or did something unpredictable around a dog?
 
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March 31, 2006, 9:45 pm PST

03/30 Is This Normal?

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Make a practice of closing the drapes at night. 

Make sure all the doors and windows are locked. 

And turn the night light off. 

Leave the porch light on if you have one. 

And at 15 you shouldn't have to be alone, I don't imagine. 

I would leave a radio playing very low before I would get hooked into a night light. 

  

Keep the doors locked all day so you know no one has sneaked in and hiding.  Everyone entitled should have a key. 

  

I know someone who was always afraid of the dark until....they found someplace they absolutely loved to live and from then on they were okay.     

  

When we were moving around I use to always clean, paint or paper every nook and cranny of a new place and it seem to make it mine then so I was okay to go in that closet or upstairs even at night:)    jennifer 

  

  

Jennifer, 

I am 28 and still afrad of the dark....I know where you are coming from.  I'm afraid of EVERYTHING.  The only thing I can say is see a doctor.....preferably a Psychiatrist.  I didn't have the money to do that so my regular doc gave me Lexapro.  Then I went to a Therapist that works on a sliding scale for paying.  If you don't want the meds (since you are actually pretty young), at least go see a therapist.  Talk therapy can be amazing if you find the right Therapist. 

  

I wish you well and hope you can work through this.  

  

Take Care, 

mystere777 

 
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March 31, 2006, 11:11 pm PST

maybe you didn't understand...

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About your quote: "People who keep their dog after it has committed a viscous(sp?) attack are just plain stupid! Once a dog gets a taste for blood, it WILL strike again ."  ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!  WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT SHARKS HERE!!!I   DO YOU NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DOGS!!!  HIGHLY SUGGEST YOU CHECK OUT THIS SITE AND GIVE ALL DOGS, INCLUDING THE PIT BULL A CHANCE!!!!   

 

http://gprime.net/flash.php/thepitbullproblem/?css=1

  

 

Maybe you didn't thoroughly read my message...I said that I too had a pit bull at one point...I said that the pit bull that attacked my yorkie was very well trained from a puppy and was the most gentle dog I had met...I never said I hated all pit bulls...the pit bull that attacked my yorkie OBVIOUSLY didn't learn that behavior and I can say without a doubt that it WAS in her nature...I said that because of this incident, I no longer trust pit bulls...I didn't say they should all die or that no one else should have them...I do think that people who want to own pit bulls shouldn't have small children around them...I never said I don't like dogs....I have a dog....My whole family owns dogs....I am not  afraid or hate dogs in general...the site you gave me was for pit bulls that had "learned" to attack and fight and from what I said, I have no idea how this could relate to my situation... 

Okay, well, I hope that cleared a few things up for you. Maybe next time, instead of jumping the gun and deciding to judge so quickly, think about what the message is trying to point out. Sorry, you missunderstood... 

 
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March 31, 2006, 11:15 pm PST

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This is my 5th German Shephard. Storm is 15 months old and a big baby.

Okay, I'm a little confused....Is this supposed to be sarcastic? Your dog looks like a very nice dog. Incase you missunderstood, I have a dog and do not dislike dogs in general. I love dogs, but after that incident I no longer trust pit bulls. I just want to make sure you understand that I am not afraid or hate dogs. I like them a lot, actually.  

 
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April 1, 2006, 8:04 am PST

For the most, I agree

Quote From: soulhealer

What does Dr. Phil have against psychics? Whenever Dr. Phil has someone claiming to have intuitive ability on the show, it seems like he picks the loopiest psychic possible, and then he proceeds to make fun of them and belittle them on the show.

Karen is a perfect example. While I do not deny that Karen probably is in tune with some kind of intuitive ability, she certainly didn't demonstrate an understanding of it, and she is speaking publicly for intuitive people everywhere. On behalf of intutive people, I heaved a sigh by such a representation. She claimed that she has intuitive ability, BUT she doesn't like psychics because she feels they dabble in the dark side? Isn't that a contradiction? All a psychic ability is is a heightened sense of intuition. We can debate whether such ability is a "gift from God" or "fluke of nature" or simply "a natural process" (which I believe it is), but to have someone who is claiming to have a heightened sense of perception claiming that others who do something similar are from the darkside, isn't helping those of us who do use our intuitive ability for the greater good.

And why does Dr. Phil frown upon psychics? I have done graduate work in counseling psychology. Having a heightened intuition and empathy is extremely beneficial to a therapist. I don't know how a therapist could be effective without having superior empathy and intuition skills. In other words, the very ability that Dr. Phil belittles, he HAS and uses daily. He could not be so effective without it.

So, as a person who does spiritual and emotional healing through the use of empathy, intuition, and what many would label "psychic" work, I would like to clear the record that not all "psychics" are loopy airheads who don't understand their abilities, we don't work "for the darkside", we don't spend our days ripping people off and gazing into crystal balls, and the healing that we help others achieve is just as effective as the difference Dr. Phil helps to make in the lives of his clients.

I am a big fan of Dr. Phil. He has brought healing to the world through media and I commend him for making a difference. But it would be nice if he would expand his mind a bit. Maybe study up on Eastern thought. His Third Eye chakra is a bit blocked and could use a good cleansing.

I posted under "Seeing the future" before i figured out how this board works. I stand by what I wrote there. 

Karen MUST learn how to deal with this gift before she totally screws something up ! Maybe even fouls up someones life forever ! Its my opinion that she is blind to what her gift means, or how to use it.  Her attitude seems to be that this is some sort of Parlor game, and that what ever she says has no consequence ! Shes wrong ! Until she learns, she should keeps her mouth shut, the harm she can do is just beyond belief, she knows absolutely nothing of  the Physic side of life, good or bad, and is therefore not qualified to say who, or what ,is dark sided or Walking in the Light. 

  

As to Dr. Phil's reactions to this Lady... I just think he is UN-informed in these matters, as most are. Some heavy reading  in the form of research should open his eyes. Hes very open-minded, and this is just something he hasn't yet learned. 

 

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April 1, 2006, 12:19 pm PST

03/30 Is This Normal?

Quote From: meowmumtu

I posted under "Seeing the future" before i figured out how this board works. I stand by what I wrote there. 

Karen MUST learn how to deal with this gift before she totally screws something up ! Maybe even fouls up someones life forever ! Its my opinion that she is blind to what her gift means, or how to use it.  Her attitude seems to be that this is some sort of Parlor game, and that what ever she says has no consequence ! Shes wrong ! Until she learns, she should keeps her mouth shut, the harm she can do is just beyond belief, she knows absolutely nothing of  the Physic side of life, good or bad, and is therefore not qualified to say who, or what ,is dark sided or Walking in the Light. 

  

As to Dr. Phil's reactions to this Lady... I just think he is UN-informed in these matters, as most are. Some heavy reading  in the form of research should open his eyes. Hes very open-minded, and this is just something he hasn't yet learned. 

Maybe she should have her "gift" tested. I think all people who believe this kind of thing should. They should have it tested in a lab by scientists to see if it even exists.

You're right, she can mess up people lives, mess up the lives of people who are vulnerable and gullible.
 
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April 1, 2006, 6:38 pm PST

I agree with you

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I posted under "Seeing the future" before i figured out how this board works. I stand by what I wrote there. 

Karen MUST learn how to deal with this gift before she totally screws something up ! Maybe even fouls up someones life forever ! Its my opinion that she is blind to what her gift means, or how to use it.  Her attitude seems to be that this is some sort of Parlor game, and that what ever she says has no consequence ! Shes wrong ! Until she learns, she should keeps her mouth shut, the harm she can do is just beyond belief, she knows absolutely nothing of  the Physic side of life, good or bad, and is therefore not qualified to say who, or what ,is dark sided or Walking in the Light. 

  

As to Dr. Phil's reactions to this Lady... I just think he is UN-informed in these matters, as most are. Some heavy reading  in the form of research should open his eyes. Hes very open-minded, and this is just something he hasn't yet learned. 

 I agree that Dr. Phil has a condecending attitude about physics but he should watch a couple of episodes of Physic Detective on Court TV and he might just change his mind. Police detectives who start out as total skeptics are turned into believers.   Physics have led police to many lost people, including children, who may have never been found without their help. I may not understand it but when the evidence is laid out before me, I believe it.
 
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April 1, 2006, 7:07 pm PST

Are you for real?

Quote From: kris0413

Yes, I do have a child. She was raised along with our 4 dogs. Like I said in my post. Never a bite or any other incident. The little girl SHOULD be able to act like a toddler, I agree with you there. But the parent should act like a parent as well. I know young children are unpredictable. So, if this child was playing outside...would it be safe to say that if the girl wanders out into the street and gets hit by a car, that it's NOT the mother's fault? Doubt it, she'd be charged with child endangerment. She should be able to jump and yell or whatever but not ON THE DOG.
How many children have to be ripped apart, scarred for life, or killed before pet owners will admit that dogs are unpredictable and that they can kill a child in minutes? Maybe you did raise your child with 4 dogs but maybe you were just very lucky that no attacks occured to her . Would you feel differently if your child had to have 30 stiches in her face? How many times have you turned on your tv and heard someone say on the news that their dog was always so gentle and they don't know why it attacked that child? To compare that mother whose child was playing in her living room with a mother who would leave her child unsupervised outside is outrageous. If there is one chance in a million that a child is in danger of being attacked by a dog then that is one too many. I agree 100% with that mother and that dog would never get a second chance with my child. What is that father thinking that he would even consider taking a chance that it could happen again? I had dogs when my children were small but they were kept outside, away from the kids.
 
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April 1, 2006, 7:29 pm PST

What?

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Steve...I just want to say that I can completely understand how torn you must be, and I am so sorry for you that you are now faced with this situation!  It is unacceptable that your wife was not diligent in controlling the potential problem (as it always is with kids & dogs of ANY BREED) and unfortunately allowed your daughter to become bitten.  It was an avoidable incident. 

  

What I can't understand is how a mom, who cares as much as your wife seems to about the safety of her child, would not be more careful.  I know this happens all the time to children, and "accidents happen..." as they say, but I always wonder how in the world these caring mothers even take that chance with dogs & small children.  I have a young daughter myself, and 3 large dogs (I would have a hundred more if I could!).  I NEVER ONCE allowed my daughter to pull on the dogs, or run at them, or climb on them or startle them.  I kept her away from them until she was 2.  Even then, she was never alone with them EVER when she was small.  And if I had to "hover over them" so nothing would happen, I DID!!!  How do people not know instinctively to do that with dogs around their babies???  As my daughter got older, the dogs learned the "hierarchy" and that she was in charge.  But until then, they had to be controlled for their own protection as much as my child's, because the dogs are the poor souls who have to pay the price.  And now poor Chewy's in that awful position over an incident that occurred through NO FAULT OF HIS OWN.   

  

Chewy just did what dogs do when they are startled.  Now he's the one who must suffer the consequence of your wife's irresponsibility!  He is no longer allowed in your loving home, no longer allowed in Jenna's life, had your wife essentially turn her back on him (when he probably loves her to death and misses her attention!), and on top of that, he's no longer part of your life in the manner that he should be! 

  

I never post on message boards.  When I watched the show yesterday, I did feel compelled to let you know that I completely support your position, but I do agree that Chewy now has to be separated from your daughter.  What's done is done, and this is the unfortunate outcome.  I do hope your wife realizes her responsibility for this incident, and makes more of an effort to understand that Chewy should not have to give up his home.  She has just made it happen that the home must now be shared in a separate way, and that's going to take extra work on everyone's part. 

  

Good luck to you Steve, and please do not cave.  Those dogs need you as much as you need them.  I understand that as a mother Suzie has to avoid any further "potential danger", and I agree (although she should have thought of that in the first place).  But whatever you can do to keep the dogs home with you, and away from Jenna, please please do it no matter what.  They have as much right to their home as Jenna does.  

  

Do not abandon your boy.  You wouldn't do it to Jenna. 

  

Thanks for reading. 

Pamela 

Pamela, Are you for real? You are blaming that mother for "allowing" her child to be attacked in her own home? Maybe that "terrible" mother should have kept her child on a leash so the dog could have free reign over the house. That is the child's home and she should be able to live in a home where there is no danger of her being killed by a dog. I love dogs and I have dogs but when it comes down to a child or a dog, the child wins every time. How dare you blame that mother for something that was not her fault and would never have happened if the dog had been removed from the house. Geez!!!!!
 

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April 1, 2006, 11:31 pm PST

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Quote From: dancer_p

Steve...I just want to say that I can completely understand how torn you must be, and I am so sorry for you that you are now faced with this situation!  It is unacceptable that your wife was not diligent in controlling the potential problem (as it always is with kids & dogs of ANY BREED) and unfortunately allowed your daughter to become bitten.  It was an avoidable incident. 

  

What I can't understand is how a mom, who cares as much as your wife seems to about the safety of her child, would not be more careful.  I know this happens all the time to children, and "accidents happen..." as they say, but I always wonder how in the world these caring mothers even take that chance with dogs & small children.  I have a young daughter myself, and 3 large dogs (I would have a hundred more if I could!).  I NEVER ONCE allowed my daughter to pull on the dogs, or run at them, or climb on them or startle them.  I kept her away from them until she was 2.  Even then, she was never alone with them EVER when she was small.  And if I had to "hover over them" so nothing would happen, I DID!!!  How do people not know instinctively to do that with dogs around their babies???  As my daughter got older, the dogs learned the "hierarchy" and that she was in charge.  But until then, they had to be controlled for their own protection as much as my child's, because the dogs are the poor souls who have to pay the price.  And now poor Chewy's in that awful position over an incident that occurred through NO FAULT OF HIS OWN.   

  

Chewy just did what dogs do when they are startled.  Now he's the one who must suffer the consequence of your wife's irresponsibility!  He is no longer allowed in your loving home, no longer allowed in Jenna's life, had your wife essentially turn her back on him (when he probably loves her to death and misses her attention!), and on top of that, he's no longer part of your life in the manner that he should be! 

  

I never post on message boards.  When I watched the show yesterday, I did feel compelled to let you know that I completely support your position, but I do agree that Chewy now has to be separated from your daughter.  What's done is done, and this is the unfortunate outcome.  I do hope your wife realizes her responsibility for this incident, and makes more of an effort to understand that Chewy should not have to give up his home.  She has just made it happen that the home must now be shared in a separate way, and that's going to take extra work on everyone's part. 

  

Good luck to you Steve, and please do not cave.  Those dogs need you as much as you need them.  I understand that as a mother Suzie has to avoid any further "potential danger", and I agree (although she should have thought of that in the first place).  But whatever you can do to keep the dogs home with you, and away from Jenna, please please do it no matter what.  They have as much right to their home as Jenna does.  

  

Do not abandon your boy.  You wouldn't do it to Jenna. 

  

Thanks for reading. 

Pamela 

Your priorities are very very out of whack and I hope that you never have children, and if you do have children I feel sorry for them.
 
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