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Topic : 03/30 Is This Normal?

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Created on : Friday, January 20, 2006, 03:07:28 pm
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(Original Air Date: 01/25/06) Have you ever found yourself in a bizarre situation? Do you think the people around you are acting unusual, and you want to know why? Dr. Phil helps his guests distinguish what's normal and what's not. First up, Lynette doesn't think it's normal for her 78-year-old father, Forrest, to want to be a country music star. Forrest feels like his daughter is discriminating against him because he's old. Then, Suzie says her husband, Steve, won't get rid of the family dog -- even though it recently bit their baby girl in the face, and she had to be rushed to the hospital! Steve wants to know if he's crazy for wanting the dog back in the house. Plus, a guest says she's able to see into the future and wants to know if she should alert her friends to the visions she has about them. Share your thoughts.

 

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January 25, 2006, 7:12 pm PST

01/25 Is This Normal?

Quote From: oahumom

dogs don't have critical thinking skills. 

they have reactions. 

you cannot train or expect any dog to not snap, given the proper stimuli and situation, because under everything, they're animals, with different personalities, not programmable machines.  

  

i'm having a hard time with all the 'dog trainers' on this threads advice.  as responsible trainers, you should really know that the humans usually need the training more than the dogs.   

By all means,  we train humans to train their dogs. It is through their (humans) participation in a dogs' training  that will influence the degree of  success that particular dog will have. Training is an ongoing process and the whole family needs to be involved and on the same *page*.
 
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January 25, 2006, 7:13 pm PST

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  I have worked as a dog trainer for many years now.  I got into this field accidentally due to adopting a shepard mix with various issues.  A couple years ago, I was aproached by a co-worker who's sister in law had the side of her face taken off by her beloved mastiff while sharing a bowl of chips with the dog in bed.  While it was my impression that my co-worker wanted me to back her up and say the dog should be put down, I said "yea it was her fault" she'd placed herself in a submissive position.  From all the info that I have researched and observed, I've come to realize that "dogs will be dogs" and as far as dogs are concerned "people will be dogs too".  Dogs will only learn a pecking order(either you take the lead or they will), they are opportunistic, they do what is instinctive and pays off.  Any behavior they are rewarded for (good or bad) they will continue.  The deaf dog is in a completely different situation.  As the owner of a now deaf and blind dog due to old age, I can tell you that these dogs are almost hyper-reactive.  They act first and ask questions later, they have to, due to their survival instinct.  Being touched during sleep must be a frightening experience when you cannot hear.  This was probally an accident waiting to happen, we stomp on the floor to wake our deaf dog, but what toddler would have the knowlege to do that?   

  The first thing that our dog training class recieves is the "dominance quiz" which is a little questionairre that highlights everyday things we do that may give our dogs the notion that they may be in charge.  It is a feature of many "bully breed" websites, it serves all breeds(and owners) well.  While you help families thru many difficult issues, I would love to see you address the integration of the family dog as they are common to many households across the nation.  You said yourself that dog bites represent the 2nd leading cause of childhood injuries and I would assume that you would prevent them if possible.  Your show would be an excellent platform to address family dog behaviors, training, child safety, and integrating your dog into a positive reliable situation. I've realized that Dr. Phil is an avid dog lover.   While understanding that your show deals with different types of family issues,it seems that it would be appropriate subject and benefit a great number of people while preventing countless childhood injuries and keep more dogs in permanant homes. 

   

 
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January 25, 2006, 7:14 pm PST

I Agree!!

Quote From: oahumom

you train dogs???  dogs do NOT 'just adapt'.   i moved to hawaii last year.  as an animal professional, i'm sure you're aware of the stringent regulations involved in bringing a dog here from the mainland.  my dog was away from us for 4 months, absolutely no contact, living with another family, in michigan, instead of staying in the state mandated quarantine here while his paperwork and bloodwork was approved.  my point is, he recognized us, by SIGHT, at the animal pick-up, before we even saw him.   

no one should live in fear in their home, i agree, and to alleviate their fear, they SHOULDN'T LET THEIR TODDLER CLIMB ALL OVER A DEAF DOG!  the dog shouldn't live like that either.  the dad shouldn't admit the dogs a danger, his wife should admit she messed up.  would they blame the windex manufacturer if their daughter got in a cabinet and swallowed some?  no, they'd realize they weren't being responsible! 

They don't just adapt. They aren't stupid and they don't forget! And I agree with you that the wife wasn't keeping a good enough eye on her child. No baby should climb on any dog, deaf or not. They don't bit for no reason. There is always a reason. I hear so many people say things like 'the dog just went crazy!'. They DON'T just go crazy!! Your just too ignorant to see what the reason was, or your lying. I think that the wife on the show knew quite well why the dog bit her baby. She just didn't want to look stupid on the show and admit that she wasn't watching her baby.  

  

Be that as it may, I think that the husband should keep his dog. Or dogs, as I saw that he has two and his wife banished BOTH from their home. A good run and lots of love (which I think this fellow is going to give) will keep him and his dogs happy until he can teach his little girl how to behave around animals.  

  

KEEP THE DOG!!! 

 

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January 25, 2006, 7:14 pm PST

Back in 1912, a friend's grandfather purchased tickets for the Titanic...

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 Dr. Phil please tell the world and your  people on the show  that noone can or ever has fortold the future with any reliability. If they can they can make a cool million from The Amazing Randy. Every thorough scientific study has shown that no such nonscense exists.  I love your show as you generally give great common sense  answers to difficult problems.

for himself & other family members to come to the U.S. in steerage class.  As the voyage neared, he kept having nightmares about the ship sinking, which intensified as they approached the voyage date.  He was so alarmed  by these nightmares that he sold his tickets back to where he bought them.  

  

Sorry, but you don't know every person that has ever lived.  Any blanket statement that ESP doesn't  exist is completely unprovable. 

 

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January 25, 2006, 7:16 pm PST

The 78 year old hopeful

I was so glad to see a senior with a plan.  Even if he doesn't get anywhere with his music, he at least has an interest in something other than waiting for the end.  I'm not as old as he is, but am considered a senior.  I would like to see more seniors on the show.  It would give us some ideas as what other seniors are doing with their lives.  Go Gray Panthers!
 
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January 25, 2006, 7:17 pm PST

01/25 Is This Normal?

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Yes, you would think that with all the stories across the country of children getting attacked and killed by chained dogs, that the issue would get more attention.  I support a group called Dogs Deserve Better which works to educate people and get legislation passed concerning the chaining and penning of dogs, and it is so frustrating how little attention it gets and how uneducated people are.  Chained and penned dogs can and do become aggressive when isolated from their pack.  Short of starvation and physical abuse, it is the worst torment you can inflict on a dog.   

I think the messages where the folks advocated gates and limiting some of the house as off limits to the dog is much more on the money than a full time outdoor dog run for sure. 

I have had the Dogs Deserve Better website bookmarked since last year and refer to it often in my training classes. I train thousands of police officers and veterinarians a year. FANTASTIC SITE!  

  

I support the "train the owner and the dog" idea. As well as the in house limitations you mentioned.  

  

 
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January 25, 2006, 7:21 pm PST

My "normal" opinion

As far as the husband that wants the dog that bit his daughter to be back in the house, I suggest watching a show called "The Dog Whisperer"!! It is on the National Geographic channel.   It is very obvious that he allows his dog to be HIS pack leader instead of the other way around.  He allows his dog to be the dominant one over everyone.  When no one in the house is exercising dominance, the dog instinctively picks up the slack and becomes dominant over everyone.  The site to go to for the Dog Whisperer to obtain and maintain complete control over a dog no matter what the breed is www.cesarmillaninc.com .  Maybe Dr. Phil can have him as a guest one day. 

  

  

 
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January 25, 2006, 7:21 pm PST

01/25 Is This Normal?

Quote From: jebster

 My family also had a deaf Dalmation that we dearly loved. He was the family "character" named Trouble. When our dog was 3 years old we had a baby. Even though we were extremely watchful, Trouble snapped at our infant  who was just kicking at the side of her playpen. We were  thankful for only having a close call, but we knew much worse could  happen. We opted to give him up for adoption, even though it was like giving up a family member. The shelter found him a wonderful home with a childless couple and a couple of canine siblings. 

  My point is we had to make the best choices for all concerned. Deaf dogs are usually nervous and should be in an environment that is best for them, and children deserve to be protected as much as possible. 

  

  

Who is breeding all these deft dogs???
 
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January 25, 2006, 7:25 pm PST

Children are not dogs...

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I completely understand Steve and his feelings for his dogs. I, too, have a dog who has bitten people. Though he has only once broken the skin (a friend of mine walked in the house with out knocking or anything and Mike grabbed him on the arm. Neither of us thought that was a bad thing. He was protecting the house! Anyway, I love Mike and all my other pets just the same as I love my human family. They are my children.  

  

Lets say that you have a mentally disabled child who is about 10 and another child who is normal, but 2. Lets say that your disabled child can be violent sometimes, but doesn't realize what hes doing? If he accidentally hurt your 2 year old, would you get rid of him? No, you would learn how to compromise and live together, no matter what. I think it would be good for folks to think of their pets in this way. They are not on the same mental level that most humans are. They do not think like we do and are impulsive and don't always understand us and what our intentions are. Just like some mentally challenged people.  

  

Dogs are dogs and no matter how well trained, I believe that they COULD pose a danger to anyone, given the right circumstances. But then what animal couldn't? Cats scratch babies all the time and I don't see anyone complaining.  

  

You cant protect your child from ever possible danger. A dog, or any other animal, MAY hurt you. I have a horse and she has both hurt me on purpose and by accident (like biting me or stepping on me). But that comes with the territory. You live around animals, you run the risk of injury. Just like anything else in life. What about driving? Or playing sports? You can die for both! No one is encouraging these people to get rid of their car. Even though it has a MUCH higher chance of hurting their baby than the dog.  

  

Also, I was annoyed that Dr Phil didn't bring up the idea that maybe with the mother acting this way about the dog, she may be setting up her baby for a life time of fear. She may well remember the incident and that she was never allowed around dogs after that. Its seems a bit extreme to me. One accident and ALL dogs are banished from her life?  

  

Well, thats my 2 cents anyway. I love dogs and if any of my animals hurt my children, well figure out a way to live together. I don't throw out my family members. No one 'attacks' for no reason. There is always a reason, its just a matter of being smart enough to figure it out. 

I can't believe the comparison of a mentally challenged 10-year-old to a dog.  And you better hope that your dog never bites my child, because I would make sure you are held criminally responsible for your dog's actions.  You are right, dogs are not on the same mental level as humans, which is exactly why we humans must ensure they are not a danger to other people.  That is why you are seeing more people prosecuted for keeping aggressive dogs that end up maiming or killing other people.  How many people does a dog have to bite before you admit they are a danger?  Do they have to kill someone first?  You are the one that is choosing to live with that risk, not everyone that walks into your home or near your dog. 

  

As to the mother setting up her child for a lifetime of fear - what about the next time the dog bites her child?  That should help her heal, right?  Dogs do attack for no reason, and she is doing the responsible thing by not allowing that to happen to her child again.  If she decides she wants to have a dog-free household, that is her choice to make. 

 
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January 25, 2006, 7:28 pm PST

feeling really awkward

I guess my question is sort of stupid, and really I don't want to ask it so I have no idea why I'm doing this. The thing is, that I cut myself. Wow, it's for some reason pretty hard to say on a huge open board like this instead of one of the others. I have three friends who also do this, not that we influenced each other since no one knew until recently. Of us, three have been hospitalized (myself included) in psychiatric wards, although for other reasons. I guess I 'know' that this isn't normal back there in my brain in the box where I keep my rationality and a whole bunch of other stuff I really have no use for in daily life, like Cheerios. But I don't really 'know' it in some ways.

Sometimes I tell myself it really bothers me, and I tell other people that, but really it doesn't, or not very much. It used to really freak me out, when I didn't do it too often, to the point where I ran to the clinic after some rather superficial scratches with razor blades. I used to hate myself for it. I'm Roman Catholic: you don't carve up your body (for various theological reasons). But now, after four years of starting what seems to be a cycle ranging from once a week to more than once a day, it doesn't really bother me at all anymore. I mean, wow, there have times recently I should have gotten stitches but I was afraid to go to the hospital. The only time I've ever really stopped is when I quit eating for a few months which, fankly, is much worse and harder to hide.

Anyway, amid all this rambling, etc., I guess what I'm really wondering is whether it's normal to care so much less when objectively there's so much more damage, to care not at all the more it gets worse? It seems that's just how it is, but then again, isn't that a little backwards?
 
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