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(Original Air Date: 01/30/06) When two people get married, they proclaim, "For better or worse," but what happens when the worse part is all there is? Chris and April got married six weeks after their first date. Three years later, Chris says he's trapped between his wife and his daughter from his first marriage. April feels trapped in a marriage with someone she didn't know well enough to begin with, who is not the parent she thought he would be. With constant fighting in front of the children and frequent separations, can they learn to find balance? Then, Lori says if she had the money she would take her kids and divorce Tom, her husband of 10 years, but since he controls all the finances, she has no money for an attorney. Lori has to ask him for money for everything -- including buying groceries and filling her car with gas. Can Tom learn to share the wealth and treat Lori like his wife, not his child? Talk about the show here.


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February 1, 2006, 4:32 am PST

let me make some things more clear ...

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I read a post that said "don't marry someone with children under 18 years old" I was in total disbelief of that comment! I DISAGREE with that completely!   

  

Let's see...that would be me.  You were smart to get out of an abusive marriage.  Another good reason why teenageres should not marry.  Something about can't see the forest for the trees...theory.   If my daughter were in your situation, I would have advised the same and worked like the dickens to get her away from the "bum" BEFORE any other children were added to the mix.  Better yet, I would have advised against marrying him in the first place. 

  

However.....I would also advise her not to "shack up" with a guy she corresponded with on the internet.  I don't care if she spoke to him every hour on the hour for 40 yrs.  Bad idea.  Sometimes women are their own worst enemies.  Did you say that after meeting him you went to live with him for a week or two?  Did I read that correctly?  Did you bring your children into an absolute strangers home?  I would have my daughters head examined.   

  

You admitted being a step parent isn't easy.....well go figure.  Why is that? 

  

Makes me wonder what his daughter and son are learning.   "Gee, why get married, just find some "honey" or "stud" to move in with his kids and we'll all be the Brady Bunch....and if it doesn't work out.....we'll just leave"     

  

You may decide things "together", as you say....and you also stated that you are the primary care giver as well as the primary parent that disciplines them.  Looks like your fiancee got a bargain with you.   Yes, his kids are almost grown.  Who is going to pay for college?  Well, dad I am sure is going to help out his kids.  You are the soon to be loving wife.   Have you looked at the cost of college tuition?   Herein, lies the dilemma of step parenting.  When money is involved....all things are up for grabs. 

  

The second woman on the show couldn't manage money, so her husband took the bull by the horns and took it away.  My advice to her would be...."get a job".   A woman's independence begins with her own money.   Her huband is a game player. and power hungry and knew how to push her buttons.  He also knew she was in debt to her eyebrows when he met her.   

  

I have read many posts on here that start out..."I was married at 16, 17, 18.....two kids later...he is abusive, addicted...he cheated on me...et al."     Then comes the sentence,...."I was a good wife...I kept a good home....raised the children...stayed home with them....et al"    Hmmm....perhaps if young girls finished high school first......learned "how" to do something...college...jojb training, etc.....then marriage....then children....abuse, adultery and addiction would not be paramount reason for tearing children's lives apart.   That way, she could leave the "deadbeat" and still be able to make a living.  Women in abusive relationships do not leave, because they did not afford themselves an education ahead of time, a manulative abuser knows this and runs with it, affecting her self=esteem. 

  

Women need to wise up.  Women chose the man.  Choose wisely. 

  

  


 

  • I was 17 and lived on my own and had since I was 15 years old! I had a job was in school and dating my ex all at the same time! I was deemed by the courts emancipated and able to become an adult. So I was not the "typical" teenager at 17!
  • As far as shacking up with someone I met on the Internet, I suppose that you could say that I done that from a point of view. Although it is not like that at all. Many people these days meet someone off the Internet and make a relationship and love one another very much! As well as some people are not who they say they are and things can go terribly wrong. I was well aware of that when I made my choice. As far as taking my children into a home of a stranger, No I did not do that on the first day. My children were with their father (my ex husband) for the holidays. I am much smarter than that! I wouldn't put my children at risk doing that!
  • Yes being a step parent is hard ... why is that, well lets see it may not be hard for all step parents  but in my situation it is. His son has epilepsy as well as depression. So day to day life can bring much more than a "normal" child's life can. As well I accepted and willing took on the challenge of being here and in no way is his health issues a complaint! I love his children dearly and treat them the same as I do my own.
  • What we are teaching all of our children is that you can have a healthy relationship. We teach them daily how love should be, how you treat someone you love, how to communicate, and respect, we give them the opportunity to know the difference of a bad relationship as well as a good one. Nothing is hidden from any of our children, they all know (age appropriate) the reasons behind both of our choices for our divorces as well as our own relationship. In high hopes that what we both have gone through none of our children will have to go through it. 
  • It was also stated that "he got a bargain with me" No he got someone who loves him dearly and cherishes him and his children. Who's going to pay for college ... both of the older children are in the 10th grade and we are already doing work on scholarships. His daughter is planning on going to college (4 year) and his son would like to go to a trade school that is local. Yes we will be paying for them to go as well as their mother will be too.
  • As far as the "typical" 17 18 19 year old stories ... I did finish high school and went to college as well. I have an educational background to fall back on. I planned ahead for what ever may have come. I did get a job when I left him, he isn't a "bum" nor is he a "dead beat", He may have been a terrible husband to me but he has been the greatest father since we divorced. Not that he wasn't before!
  • I did choose and I chose wisely, I love my life and put my post up so that women on here can see that they can leave that they can make it with out them and that its going to be hard but well worth it.
  • “Remember, stand tall, muster up some courage and dignity, and face this difficult world with your chin high. You are going to get through it!”


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    February 1, 2006, 5:15 am PST

    Need more shows on this topic.

    This topic is about way more than just a feeling of being trapped in a marriage. It really seems to run the gammut from emotional and verbal abuse and infidelity and even homocide.   I believe it is all along the same continuem that leads to physical abuse and even domestic homocide which is rapidly becoming the norm. . It is all about taking value from another person. Treating them like a thing rather than the beautiful human being  that they are. It all starts with selfish thinking patterns which lead to severe disrespect  and lack of self control.  This show just barely touches on the enormously gut wrentching life style that this kind of thing often leads to. I It goes to the very core of what a human being is and their worth in this world. All people should be treated with dignity and respect. That needs to be a given. But I think our society has veered far off of it's path and actually tolerates and even condones such horrific behavior. You can see the results of disrespect, selfishness, dis courteous behavior and lack of self control when we see...road rage, sports rage,  etc. It is becoming an all too common scene. I for one would like to see the pendulum swing in the opposite direction.  Marriages and society in general are becoming less cival and more rageful. This phenomenom needs to be changed. We are heading for big trouble unless civility is restored soon to our marriages and to our society. You can see what a dire effect it is already having on marriage in America.  Families  are  a microcosm of the larger society. Unraveling marriages lead to an unstable society. A house divided cannot stand. I would really hope that more attention will be payed to this subject and the negative ramifications it leads to. 

     
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    February 1, 2006, 7:34 am PST

    i feel trapped..hellp!!!!!

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    but I will tell you that if you haven't already ....Read Marriage Fitness.......I too have read all the books I could get my hands on.  this one did help and it gives you simple tips on how to help your marriage even if you are the only one trying to fix it...it made a big difference in my marriage.  Good Luck.... 

    Before my husband and i married i was presented with a pre-nup, 4 days before the marriage, i was hurt and angry and stupid but because i loved him i signed the thing with out fully reading it. It leaves me with a small amount of money in comparision to what will be made during the marriage and half of the marital assests. Sounds good? Later reading it it states that each person shall be free to perchase free and clear of the other as if they were single any properties etc. so that leaves me with NO marrital assests! We have only one checking account together which he generously deposits $500.00 every two weeks which is for the use of groceries and household goods. He does pay all the bills. I do not work outside of the home and use my two childrens child support money for anything they need that that small amount of money can be used for, doctors visits, lunch money, clothes, gas for the car etc. He has four other checking accounts that i have no access to, we have no joint credit cards nothing. 

      I recently thought we were going to get a divorce and when i thought about how i would be able to leave the marriage i realized i couldn't. I had absolutely nothing! He has the only key to the house, my vehicle is in his name, the money he puts in the account for groceries does jut that, feeds a family of four. I talked to him about this and he seems to think that i have every thing.When we argue he will be like "well I bought that!" so even when i look around the house i see that nothing here is mine, nothing. what do i do???????? 

      brie 

     
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    February 1, 2006, 7:37 pm PST

    01/30 Trapped

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    well HONEY if you had a backbone why havent you left your %@#hole. when i got pregant 3 years ago i wanted a baby so i got pregnant and had my baby none of my children are oops babys they are all gifts from god. i didnt know how i was going to feel 3 years later about my husband. they are the reason i am still here  people that live in glass houses shouldnt cast stones you know!!!!!
    A backbone is what I have and know how to use it and know that when I wasn't happy I flat out told him... He either wanted to be married or didn't.  Yes, Marriage does take work....but we live in a country where EVERYTHING is disposable...INCLUDING our marriages...Oh it isn't working I think I will move on.  I am not saying that YOU are the only one quilty of that WE as a Nation are guilty of that...and all you have to do is look at the differences in the divorce rates over the past 30 years....and while I think that most men FORGOT that we as women do have rights and laws to protect us they aren' t the only ones who have forgotten it some women have too.  There is SO MUCH STUFF available to empower women today but yet just read this site and you will see that a lot of them live like they are in the 1940's and 50"s.  I encourage you to try an communicate with your husband b/c from what you are saying he is a great guy....He had to be right....you married him...I don't think you would have married someone you didn't love and didn't think you were going to spend the rest of your life with....You should tell him how you are feeling and that while you think he is a great men and you love all the things he does for you that you feel like something is missing....b/c you do feel like something is missing....why not let the man who loves you and your children be the one to help you figure out what you are missing.  I would hate to think you turned to someone else and years down the line with that person you are still missing something...does that make sense?
     
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    February 1, 2006, 7:52 pm PST

    Pre-Nup....

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    Before my husband and i married i was presented with a pre-nup, 4 days before the marriage, i was hurt and angry and stupid but because i loved him i signed the thing with out fully reading it. It leaves me with a small amount of money in comparision to what will be made during the marriage and half of the marital assests. Sounds good? Later reading it it states that each person shall be free to perchase free and clear of the other as if they were single any properties etc. so that leaves me with NO marrital assests! We have only one checking account together which he generously deposits $500.00 every two weeks which is for the use of groceries and household goods. He does pay all the bills. I do not work outside of the home and use my two childrens child support money for anything they need that that small amount of money can be used for, doctors visits, lunch money, clothes, gas for the car etc. He has four other checking accounts that i have no access to, we have no joint credit cards nothing. 

      I recently thought we were going to get a divorce and when i thought about how i would be able to leave the marriage i realized i couldn't. I had absolutely nothing! He has the only key to the house, my vehicle is in his name, the money he puts in the account for groceries does jut that, feeds a family of four. I talked to him about this and he seems to think that i have every thing.When we argue he will be like "well I bought that!" so even when i look around the house i see that nothing here is mine, nothing. what do i do???????? 

      brie 

    I am sorry that you didn't read the pre-nup very well.  I have one also but that is because we both had assest before we were married.  Have you taken the pre-nup to a lawyer....b/c even though something is in writing...there are legal loop holes around a pre-nup they aren't as air tight as most people think they are unless your husband is a lawyer....
     
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    February 1, 2006, 10:11 pm PST

    trapped or sacrifice

    I have barly been married three years, dont get me wrong i love my husband, I truly do, but my vision of what our marrage would be, in only months shy of 3 years, has been shattered, I married a man who was 50 years old and I was 31, I wanted stability and a man who would adore me, call it selftish, but this was what i really did want, and he loved dotting on me, no plans for kids, just us, and my other 2 kids, but basically just us 75% of the time 'ALL ME'  

    Now i have a 2 year old that gets all my attention that i planed on, not that im a nut and jelous of my daughter or anything, im just saying kids wern't in the cards originally, and now my husband has 'became more involved with his chuch' meanwhile i cant remember the last time we went to dinner, a movie, even whatch a dvd at home together, now all he does is spend great time with our daughter and reads his bible, now these are not bad things? but what about me, where do i fit and am i trapped? or are these sacrifices that you make for someone you love. 

     
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    February 2, 2006, 5:46 am PST

    I hear ya!

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    When I watched the show on Trapped, I thought it sounded a lot like me and our situation.  I have been with this guy for 20 years.  We have a Parent, child, relationship.  I am the child.   He controls all the money.  I do have an income, not much, but it helps out.  I use it to buy groceries, and household items, plus pay the bills that I have incurred.  I try to please him and hopefully he won't be mad at me when he comes home from work.  But he gets mad at the drop of a hat, over little insignificant things.  

     I feel unloved, lonely, useless, and not worthy of his attention.  We have heated arguments and I usually say I will leave.  But he knows I am just threatening him, as I have no money and no where to go.  

     I got involved with church things and found it to be good for me as a positive influence in our life's.  I have learned how not to react to his verbal abuse and how to keep my tongue in check, but sometimes I flare up again with the nasty verbal stuff.  Our sex life is nothing, and wished it weren't that way.  I find it hard to relate to him and don't want to be criticized about our sexual relations.  I thought that, that area was good.  But I guess I was wrong. 

    We do need help, I read all kinds of books and all of Dr. Phil's, but to get him too, is a different story.  How can it change, if only one person in the relationship is working on it??????  That is my question...I know I must change and have.  He tells me, he doesn't need to change as there is nothing wrong with him..  I married the perfect man, I guess..........LOL 

     Sounds a lot like my marriage, except we don't have kids. I own and run a small business from our home, pay for all the food, all my personal expenses, my medical bills not covered by insurance, vet bills, pet foods and meds, any entertainment costs, plus keeping the house clean, cooking meals,  and even helping out  with the yard work, and he earns 20x more than I do. My name is not on the house, his mother's is though. My husband also feels 'he doesn't have a problem" and I've learned to focus on me instead of  "Mr Perfect". Denial is strong with this type of person. It can't change if they can't admit there is nothing wrong. That's my dilemma too. I don't know how much longer I will stay in this demeaning relationship. I am building my strength financially and emotionally to be on my own as I don't think he will ever change.

    Also, to anyone contemplating divorce or seperation......all divorce lawyers offer free consultations. Go and find out what your legal rights are. You probably have a lot more rights than you think you do. I felt very empowered by doing this, and found out that although my husband may feel I have no rights after 17 years....the courts would NOT feel that way!
     
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    February 2, 2006, 5:49 am PST

    Control

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    Before my husband and i married i was presented with a pre-nup, 4 days before the marriage, i was hurt and angry and stupid but because i loved him i signed the thing with out fully reading it. It leaves me with a small amount of money in comparision to what will be made during the marriage and half of the marital assests. Sounds good? Later reading it it states that each person shall be free to perchase free and clear of the other as if they were single any properties etc. so that leaves me with NO marrital assests! We have only one checking account together which he generously deposits $500.00 every two weeks which is for the use of groceries and household goods. He does pay all the bills. I do not work outside of the home and use my two childrens child support money for anything they need that that small amount of money can be used for, doctors visits, lunch money, clothes, gas for the car etc. He has four other checking accounts that i have no access to, we have no joint credit cards nothing. 

      I recently thought we were going to get a divorce and when i thought about how i would be able to leave the marriage i realized i couldn't. I had absolutely nothing! He has the only key to the house, my vehicle is in his name, the money he puts in the account for groceries does jut that, feeds a family of four. I talked to him about this and he seems to think that i have every thing.When we argue he will be like "well I bought that!" so even when i look around the house i see that nothing here is mine, nothing. what do i do???????? 

      brie 

     Brie,
    someone else who posted is so right.......go to a lawyer. I have heard that some prenups can be invalid. My husband is much the same way. Because he earns the majority of the money he feels he gets to make ALL the rules. He's  verbally abusive at times, and very intimidating.  I'll bet you have a lot more rights than you think you have.
     
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    February 2, 2006, 7:49 am PST

    very helpful

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    I was in a similar situation last year.  My husband started an affair with his secretary, whom I had been friends with and had babysat our children.  I would later find out this was not her first affair, as a matter of fact, she married her current husband as the result of an affair on her previous husband.  Anyway, my husband also played dumb at first, claiming they were just friends who happened to be found drunk in a local parking lot at 2am by her husband.  Like you, I knew what was going on, but I wanted to save our family for my two young children, and also I still loved my husband.  I asked him repeatedly to stop breaking my heart, could we please work on our marriage with her out of the picture, etc. We went to counselling, which was of little help, because he became cold and distant, like you report.  Finally he admitted he loved her, and I couldn't live with that.  I went to stay with my parents while divising a plan to become a self-sufficient single mother.  I think the affair would have been painful enough, but being rejected as well is devastating.  It took months to get to a point where I would not cry at the drop of a hat.   The good news is that I did grow stronger, and I think my confidence actually rose higher than it had been during my marriage as a result of being more self-sufficient and realizing I could make it on my own. 

         Eventually, my husband did admit it was the biggest mistake of his life, and asked me to come back.  After some soul searching, and counselling, I decided to try it, figuring if it didn't work, I'd be back where I started anyway.  That's the point I'm at now.  I have been back home for about seven months, and I still can't honestly say if it will work out in the long run.  Of course my husband has poured out apologies, but my former perception of him has been shattered, along with much of my respect for him.  I am hoping that over time we (or actually I, since he seems fine) are able to heal more fully.  So I can't really say that trying to keep your marriage would necessarily be right or even desirable.  I know it would help you to be able to take some time for yourself to think about how you feel, and what you really want to happen.  When your husband has an affair, it changes your feelings about him, and I am starting to wonder if I shouldn't expect better for myself.  Maybe you should too. 

    Thank you for responding!!  I know you are right when you said that you will never feel the same way again.  He used to do no wrong in my eyes and I definetly dont feel that way now.  Last night I went to chilis with my son.  We found him at a bar with another woman, not the one he's having an affair with.  So we sat down.  He was totally flirting with her in front of our son.  He even got her phone number in front of me.  As she was leaving he jumped up gave her a hug and kiss and told he hoped to see her again.!!!!  I was completely hummiliated!!  Everything he is doing now he flaunts it!!!  But he hasnt left yet, he just sleeps upstairs but has no words to me at all.  I know I'm being a fool but i still love him.  We had a great relationship for years.  Every one thought we were the perfect couple and my friends are shocked at his actions.  When your hubby came home admitting the biggest mistake of his life,  did he cheat again?  Why didnt it work out?  I dont want to start over again and again.  My first husband had an affair also, they married and divorced quickly.  He got what he deserved... I have no doubt that my husband will too.  your help is appreciated, im so depressed.
     
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    February 2, 2006, 8:16 am PST

    thank you

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    Hi! I would like to tell you that if you want to save your marriage you should go to Marriage Builders website.  A lot of people that are going through the same thing you are will help you and understand everything you are feeling.  In the meantime do not let him move out, tell him that his kids are going to be very hurt and that you love him and want to work and make a better marriage.  Take care of your house, your kids and yourself.  Make yourself look pretty and try to  meet his needs that the other women is meeting.  Don't beg him make yourself strong even if you don't feel it.  Tell him that you would like for him to stop talking to the other women and would like to work on your marriage together.  Tell him how much he is hurting you but don't let him see you like you can not go on without him.
    I am reading the book from marriage builders.  Its HIS NEEDS/HER NEEDS  it is a great book and my couselor uses it for her couples.  He is not wanting to work it out.  But i know if I meet his needs not her then I can get him back.  He is a great man and the kids adore their father, all four boys.  I have begged him not to move out so the boys wont be devestated too!!!  Your advice is what I needed so badly!!  i havent been able to sleep or eat,  my body is cracking under this pressure.  I love him and believe he is going through a mid life crisis.  he always said he wouldnt abandone his family.  Right now we arent even talking, he came to counseling only one time.  He is so lost inside that even he dosent know what he wants.  Should I stay and help him thru this?  He says "youll be fine with out me!!"  that just crushed me.  He knows I can be strong, but I havent found any strength yet?  Its been 8 days since he told me he was leaving and getting his own apt.  But he hasnt left yet?  Does that mean there is still hope?  I write him love notes everyday.  But I get nothing in return.  Please write me  Thanks
     
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