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Created on : Friday, January 27, 2006, 02:40:01 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/01/06) Do you know someone who can't seem to get rid of their clutter? They keep newspapers, magazines, old clothes, and just plain junk thinking it will come in handy one day. Dr. Phil talks to extreme hoarders, who are embarrassing their families and destroying their homes. Nancy says her husband, John, is a packrat who turned their beautiful four-bedroom home into what she calls "the black hole." The house became so overcrowded with junk that they were forced to live in a trailer, and now the trailer is nearly filled to the brim! Will John and Nancy ever be able to live in their house again? And how is John's hoarding affecting their three children? Then, Misty saves every piece of paper her kids write on, and every article of clothing they've ever worn. Her husband, Greg, can't understand why she can't just toss them out. What's behind her inability to throw things away? Share your stories, join the discussion.

 

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June 17, 2006, 9:03 pm PDT

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Hi Everybody! 

  

I'm moving--not across town,not across the state line, not even down the block. The owners of the property I watch have been looking at my clutter in the room I live in, and decided that they wanted me out of the house. So although I'm thankful I've not been fired, I've been busted.  

  

So I'm reluctantly moving to a cabin that's 1/2 the space of my present room, and will also use a storage cabin that's about the same size of the cabin I'll be sleeping in. If that's not frustrating enough, I have to clean up this mess, and prepare for the day that the cabin will be finished. 

  

So here's my plan to clean up: 

  

I've already gone through the old magazines, newspapers, and even some high school and college papers that I thought had some personal value. Those are the keepers. I'll also holding onto family picture albums, and the art that I have created over the years. 

  

Everything that is over five years old, or has not been read, touched, or is in any way not useful, or is still in it's original container, will be given to charity thrift stores, will go to the recycle place in town, will be given to friends who can use it, or will be sold on Ebay. I think green--the garbage and waste landfills are too full of junk, for me to consider throwing anything in the trash (unless it's a broken item). 

  

After eight years of subscribing to magazines, I've decided to cut my in-flow of magazines, and will save money doing this. I will choose amongst the 22 subscriptions I now have, and plan to pare down to half or greater, once the current subscriptions have expired.  Most magazines are available on the web, anyhow, so I can refer to the ones that I no longer subscribe to via the WWW. 

  

Note that this is my mode of thinking when I have moved in the past. The last move, from San Francisco to the S. California desert region, was nearly nine years ago. Five years seems to be the time lapse between something "collecting dust" and something that is still useful.  

  

I'm offering this drastic measure to anyone who needs a little push. Start simple, then get to the back of shelves, the top of the floor, or start destacking the piles from the ceiling. I just did this, and I took time to decide to "toss" or "save." My car is now full of "toss." Most of it is good items that the charity thrift stores can sell. There is a recycle pile in the car too. Newspapers, uncoated magazines, and other papers can be recylced, and sold at the current scrap rate ($1.00 per ton). I won't get rich doing this, but at least I know the landfill isn't getting fuller by me. Some of my things I'll sell on Ebay, such as an old HO train set I played with as a boy. I also have friends who like to read, so I give them magazines I know they will want and enjoy. 

  

I hope that anyone who goes through their things will consider recycling first, then donating, instead of unceremonious "dumping" in the garbage. 

  

I'll keep you posted on my progress.  

  

Best wishes! 

  

Mohabee 

 
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June 17, 2006, 10:08 pm PDT

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My sister and I have been embarrassed for most of our lives about our parent's in ability to use a trashcan.  The junk in my parent's house has reached the point to where you ablsolutely can not move or even find a place to sit.  I recently went to their house to try and help them move forward and at least get the house to where possum will not be running around in the attic and falling through the ceiling.  There were numerous bags of beercans which they had collected for years thinking they were worth money, I threw them out onto the trashpile that was surprizingly large considdering but my mother would take them off with a degree of violence that was just disturbing.  Her dementia has become extreemly bad over the past few years and I realize that as my parents age, they will not be able to help their situation only to fall into financial ruin in a pile of junk garnished with vermin.  When they tell me that something has sentimental value I try to get them to treat it as though it realy does mean something, but htey just don't get it.  altough they say they want to move forward and create a good living environment, they will not let go.  One thing they do not understand is just because something was good once upon a time,  it is not good after it sits in the back yard and deteriorates and rusts.  There aren't enogh words to describe how bad their house has become but it is worse than any house I have seen on any "hoarding" tv show.  I guess they would feel as uncomfortable in a clean environment is I do in theirs but as they age, it has become a danger to them.  The thing is, as much as the hoarding is a problem they also have the problem of extreem laziness.  The only thing they are proactive on is blame, and we all know how effective blame can be!  After being told for years that the condition of the house was my fault, I moved far enough away to where they could not hold me responsible.  What I find simply amazing is the list of excuses they have come up  with since then.  I know that it is wrong to try to "fix" the situation as it will only pile up again after I clean it up but I can not ignore it either. 
My in laws are the same way and are in their 70's.  I am always afraid they wont be able to get out of the house if it catches fire or medics won't be able to get to them to help them in a medical emergency. My father in law just had open heart surgery so we want to make sure he's in a safe environment.  My husband finally told them what we were doing.  We're going to put a smaller house on the property (they own 5 acres) and move to it..we'll clean the house out and renovate it and live in it and make the mortgage payments.  They've always helped us so we want to help them.  His mom is very mixed on it...I thinks he's afraid of the change but also is happy we're taking over and dealing with it.  She will once again get to have people in. We're going to monitor the new house too...they should be comfortable and have less work to deal with so we hope it works out and makes their lives less stressful.
 
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June 17, 2006, 10:11 pm PDT

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I have a cousin who is a hoarder.  Her house, van and car is so full of stuff she can't hardly move around in it.  Her house is so full that you have to hold on to the wall or whatever is stable to move in her house.  Her bed is so full she can't even make her bed or sleep comfortably.  She owns stuff that she will never use and stuff she doesn't even know she has bought.  My mother even tried to offer to help her get help for her disease.  It is too the point that she has bad knees, back and complains she is tired all the time.  We know it is being caused by her living conditions because she can't move around properly.  What really is scary.  If her house was to ever catch on fire she won't be able to get out.  Nor could we let a fire crew go in because of the safety factors.  I personally feel sorry for these kind of people who think that all coupons, sales, yard sales, and 2nd hand stores are just a place to shop at least 3 to 5 times a week.  It isn't a healthy way of living menatally or physically.  

   

Can't someone in the county or city help by requiring her to fix the fire hazard??? I know its dramatic but no one should die due to this.  Maybe it would motivate her to get some help???   

  

  

 
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June 18, 2006, 5:23 am PDT

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Dear Dr Phil, I don't know why but when have cludder in my apartment I feel safer some how.  I feel protected.  Can't invite people over not that i would put i would like the option.  I have a phyical disability that limits how long i can clean.  I have to do a few mins and then have to stop because of the pain.  And once i stop it hard to start again.   Please HELP!!! 

 
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June 18, 2006, 5:49 am PDT

06/21 "Throw It Out!"

i too svaed things for a long time, we had very little when i was growing up, and i always wanted to have things, when i divorced for the second time, i told my ex to take whatever he wanted and go, it was worth everything to me to get rid of him, he took everything, even all the sheets and towels, as i stood in my empty house i said now everything i buy is mine, noone can ever take anything from me again, and i slowly got new things, things i really liked, i have some today, and some i passed on, as i buy something new i pass along something i no longer need, knowing i am giving something to someone who can use it is a great feeling, i pass along magazines as i finish reading them, to people who cant afford to by them, and not only have i ended my clutter problem, but i found something much better, the feeling of giving to others and as my pastor once told us, there are no uhaul trailors on the back of the hearse!! 
 
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June 18, 2006, 9:28 am PDT

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i too svaed things for a long time, we had very little when i was growing up, and i always wanted to have things, when i divorced for the second time, i told my ex to take whatever he wanted and go, it was worth everything to me to get rid of him, he took everything, even all the sheets and towels, as i stood in my empty house i said now everything i buy is mine, noone can ever take anything from me again, and i slowly got new things, things i really liked, i have some today, and some i passed on, as i buy something new i pass along something i no longer need, knowing i am giving something to someone who can use it is a great feeling, i pass along magazines as i finish reading them, to people who cant afford to by them, and not only have i ended my clutter problem, but i found something much better, the feeling of giving to others and as my pastor once told us, there are no uhaul trailors on the back of the hearse!! 
Dear God People Thow It  Out!!!!!!!!  Why Live A life Cluttted up with junk and other things you do not need. My step mother house you can not even walk though it. Both of her grandson's room's are even worse when you are steping on toy's to get to there bed they are sleep on toys and clothes thats are to small that she will not get rid of that she say's someone might need later or they kids  will cry if  she  gets  rid of them. (For God Sake's Give Them To GoodWill). She still has there baby toy's from when they where first born (all of them). Stack's of new's papers's from the 80's and will not get rid of them. Always saying we might need them.And lots more just think of it it is there.It's Cause bug problems and I keep trying to tell her she has to get rid if the stuff soon it will be called a hazzardous zone and out side out the house as well as become a stocking area as well. I have tryed all i can i have even called child services and every time i call them they call her first and they clean it up before they come out rent a storge unit wait until they are  gone and bring it right back.. How much Nasytery Can People Get?????   Dear God Thow It Out !!! 
 

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June 18, 2006, 11:03 am PDT

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I am a compulsive "non" hoarder. I am a minimalist. I lost everything (and I mean every last thing) I owned when I moved out and away from my ex-husband. Since then, I found out there is very little that you can't live without. When you go to purge down your stuff, go into it with the mindset that you WILL take 3 bags to Goodwill (or wherever). It is too overwhelming to do it all at once, so start with one small area. Do one junk drawer maybe, or one countertop.  If you haven't used it or worn it in one year, get rid of it. Even if you can never afford it again, it doesn't matter because you don't use it anyway. If you start to get emotional or overwhelmed, take a break or you will keep too much. Once you get it manageable, set aside one day a week to go through all your clutter. It becomes a habit after awhile. You have to keep in mind, "It's Just Stuff." It isn't your memories. It isn't your life or your feelings. It's just stuff. If it is something very sentimental for you, take a picture of it and then get rid of it. I hope I don't sound too harsh. Just keep a positive attitude that you are doing something just for you and I know you can do it. 

  

Steph :) 

Hi Steph, 

     I lost almost everything as well in a break up after my divorce.  After my ex-husband moved out, I was left with nowhere to go and three kids to take care of.  A man that I knew prayed on my vulnerability and need and offered for us to move into his house, which I did out of desperation.  Three months later, when I found out that he was much different than I had thought, I moved out.  But before I could go back and get the things that were stored under his house, he decided that his revenge for my leaving was to get rid of my things.  I lost so many precious things...every photograph that I had ever had of my life, my family, my children; all of my treasured Christmas decorations, and things that had belonged to my deceased mother.  In hind-sight, I should have taken every last thing when I left, because the law is on his side.  I even lost things that belonged to my children such as a treasured Cabbage Patch doll collection and my youngest daughter's porcelain dolls.  I know that the important thing is that my children and I got out of there and that we are all happy and healthy and safe.  And it did teach me that we can live without a lot of things that we think we "need."  The problem is, I don't think I'll ever get over the guilt of not making the right decision.  I should never have trusted that he would let me come back for my things.  I hope this doesn't cause me to become a pack rat.   

 
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June 18, 2006, 1:29 pm PDT

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my mother is an extreme hoarder I would classify it as an exterme hoarding based OCD she will not let anything go her house is literally a maze and you can not even acess certain areas because there is so much stuff. She fails to recognize the true severity of her problem . If you try to bring it up she says"yes I know I have too much Stuff" but that is about the extent of it. The basement is the only area that is even half decent and that is only because it flooded with sewage and she was literrally forced to throw it all out and even that was met with some resistance. This has been a problem for her for years in fact it is literally destroying the house. In one room the wall is covered with mold because of lack of air and in the one bedroom the one time I was able to find the floor the carpet was moldy, wet and actuall starting to disinegrate. How in the world can you force her to see she has a bigger problem than "too much stuff"?????????
 
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June 18, 2006, 2:03 pm PDT

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i can relate to every single post on here.  my partner is a hoarder.  when we met, i was appalled to find what he had in his loft (attic, i think you would call it in the usa).  he had spares of spares of spares of just about every possible kitchen equipment item one could want, suitcases of material, suitcases of knitting needles, wools, embroidery stuff.  there was furniture up there also.  there were old magazines, old books, old photographs, the majority of which were mouldy.  but when i got to explore his kitchen cupboards, there were spares of the spare spares!  he had three sets of saucepans, and used one single milk pan for just about everything, frying pans by the halfdozen, and heaven knows how many sets of cutlery and china. 

  

his bedroom was so jammed with clothes, none of which he wore, that it took three days to clear it out to a workable level. 

  

his living room entertained enough furniture to suit two rooms, and yet more cupboards JAMMED with towels which he never used.  many of these were in cellophane wrappings.  old electrical equipment was there in profusion, on the grounds that it 'might' come in useful.  batteries were spilled all over the place, because once again one of them might work. 

  

his garden shed and workshops were even worse! 

  

at one point, it was all reduced to a reasonable quantity (without depriving him of what he deemed entirely necessary) but five years on, it's growing again. 

  

sama 

 
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June 18, 2006, 2:06 pm PDT

Me too???

I believe I'm probably part of this club - the "don't know where to put it, can't throw it out, piles in each room of the house" club.....my mother & two of my sisters are the same way.  I try to be organized; I help everyone else be organized, but when it comes to me, it's hard.  I'll start to go through things/papers/items/boxes from the '80's (not really from the '80's -haha), but then I'll either get distracted with my children or I'll have some things I really do want to keep & start to put them in their proper places; this too is part of the hoarding problem because you begin to go through things & accumulate a mound of things you are chucking & a mound you are keeping; the "keeping pile" then becomes your new hoarding pile - it might get put away, it might not; you might go through that box/pile of stuff you're keeping to get something out, but there it sits.....waiting....to find its real home.  There was one time in my life when I wasn't a hoarder - one of my older sisters helped me move into a new townhouse - my first with my son (single mom); I moved in on Friday night, mostly Saturday morning & by Sunday evening, everything was unpacked & put away - EVERYTHING!!!!! And I had a lot of stuff (about the second to largest Uhaul truck available) - being a hoarder.  As a box was empty, it got broken down & thrown into the dumpster.  No trash at all; no left-overs; things were even hung on the walls...dishes away...clothes hung....knick-knacks placed....it was lovely!  I kept that house in that order; I was allowed one medium size basket as a catch-all for my keys & mail - but I didn't let that pile up either!!!  Unfortunately, I've moved a few times since then and I still have boxes from times I've moved before that were still packed.  I do not know why I do this - maybe from my mother (but I really can't stand to go to her house because of her hoarding - mine is nowhere near her level); maybe because of my father's death; maybe because I have OCD; maybe because I have trouble letting go; maybe I'm afraid to finish something I start; maybe I feel overwhelmed when it comes to sorting & chucking; maybe I'm just lazy......I have vowed to work on a little each day, one room at a time, hoping it will eventually get done.  I wish I had the motivation of my older sister - just do it 'til it's done, no matter how long it takes.  In the meantime, I'll watch, read, & pray for my little miracle..............Blessings to all.....
 
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