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(Original Air Date: 02/01/06) Do you know someone who can't seem to get rid of their clutter? They keep newspapers, magazines, old clothes, and just plain junk thinking it will come in handy one day. Dr. Phil talks to extreme hoarders, who are embarrassing their families and destroying their homes. Nancy says her husband, John, is a packrat who turned their beautiful four-bedroom home into what she calls "the black hole." The house became so overcrowded with junk that they were forced to live in a trailer, and now the trailer is nearly filled to the brim! Will John and Nancy ever be able to live in their house again? And how is John's hoarding affecting their three children? Then, Misty saves every piece of paper her kids write on, and every article of clothing they've ever worn. Her husband, Greg, can't understand why she can't just toss them out. What's behind her inability to throw things away? Share your stories, join the discussion.

 

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June 22, 2006, 11:51 am PDT

help for misty

As a new mom, I do understand that attachement to the clothes - getting rid of them shows they are growing up.  My cousin did a really cool thing with her kids' clothes though, so I thought I'd pass it on.....She took a blanket that each of her children used.  Then she took the outfit they each came home from the hospital in (or an outfit that she loved) and hung each child's set up on a quilt rack.  It was a simple decorative way to keep something sentamental and let the rest go.  Good luck.
 
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June 22, 2006, 2:33 pm PDT

More Than Clutter

That house has gone far beyond clutter.  It also looks filthy and unhealthy, with all the pet food scattered everywhere, pet dung, etc.  This is a case for the local health department.  The home has become nothing more than one big trash dump.  The kids and wife are being forced to live in layers of mess and filth.  That's abuse, not hoarding.  Something should be done about it NOW! 

  

 
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June 22, 2006, 3:11 pm PDT

Definitely Chemical

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I am 46, male and experiencing the same problem, currently.  I am off of work, due to a Dual depression, and Generalized anxiety disorder, which I have had all my life. I am using a Cpap machine for Sleep Apnea, and going to a psychologist and psychiatrist. I am on Lexapro for deprssion, and it does not seem to be working. I still have not gotten motivated to clean my condo.  

  

I am a big music collector and most of the cluuter is records, but I have another seperate room for that. I have records all over the front room, clothes that have not been taken out and hung up, and I do not open mail, or go thru the bills. I found a very helpful website called: www.squalorsurvivors.com. 

  

 The one thing they do mention is that if you live in squalor or know someone who does, DO NOT pick on the person, or tell them to get moving, which will make them retreat further. I did find out that I am not producing Cortisol, and I do have to have an MRI today, focusing on my Pituitary gland. I also was diagnosied with Chronic fatugue, so an Endocrinologist would not be a bad thing, for someone like this, to look into the matter, further, and have some blood work done, to check your chemical levels. My Dr. said the worst case scenario would be I may have ot take a pill for a year or 2 to get my Adrenaline levels uo. He said JFK  had the same problem, and it is treatable. Also, he  wants me to have an ultrasound on my kidneys.  

  

The show was right on, and would like to see follow ups on the topic. It is more common than people realize. Many friends and family, do not understand why ANYONE would not clean their place up. It is more complex than that. For me, I hope to get better, but have not always been a real messy guy or real neat guy, for that matter. Mine seesm to be lack of motivation, depression, lack of energy. Alos, www.flylady.net is useful too, as it is a free site, and you can register and receive a daily email. Flylady, teaches you how to get organized, and each day of the month a different area of the home is focused upon, to be cleaned, therefore, after a month, you have cleaned the whole house, at least once. Squalor survivors teaches you, for those who do not know where to begin, to start cleaning something simple, like the top of the tv, refrigerator, so that you will have a feeling of accomplishment, but just START, somewhere.  

  

I have other problems, that can be attributed to this problem, such as financial debt, and a chapter & is not an option as I file din 2000.  

  

Any one that has been there, knows what I am talking about. Any suggestions if you have been there, would be helpful to me. I must also mention that I thought I was going thru Andropause, and had 3 Dr's shrug it off, as I am reading on the interent, Again! I took it upon myself to find an Endocrinologist and he DID find something wrong with my Hormones.  

  

Hopefully this will be a start to a cleaner house, and some peace of mind. Thanks Dr. Phil for addressing the issue, hope to see more on the topic, and maybe Male Menopause. 

I have very similar medical conditions...narcolepsy, manic-depression, extreme fatigue, and hormonal imbalances because I have a problem with my pituitary gland also. It seems that there are too many people with such similar health issues who also have issues with clutter or procrastination for this to be just coincidental. It would only make sense for this to be some type of hormonal-neurochemical imbalance. Including the reason behind having a lack of motivation...which other people mistake for laziness.   

   

I have been trying to organize my inordinant amount of things for years and have barely made a dent, although its gotton alot better recently, yet in other areas of my life I'm super clean and a great organizer...like when helping a friend or family member clean up and organize their stuff. I actually really enjoy doing it too.   

   

But different medications definitely make a difference, its just a matter of finding the one that fits you best, which can take awhile and you may feel like a guinnea pig, but the right one will make a huge difference...trust me! I've realized that some part of my brain is very overactive...I over-think things (without even realizing it sometimes), instead of just jumping in and doing what needs to get done. Its seems so strange to be constantly focused on the very thing that you can't seem to conquer.   

   

And I'm not saying this as advice, more as an observation...but I've noticed that if I've had a beer or taken certain medications that seem to slow down or turn off, (so to speak) the overactiveness in my brain, I all of a sudden just get in this frame of mind where I'm motivated to start cleaning or working on a project that I've been planning to accomplish for a long time, because somehow my mind is relaxed, and I'm not thinking about the overwhelming task ahead of me is...i'm just doing it.   

It's like my brain is on autopilot.   

   

I'm not trying to oversimplify the problem, but that has just proved to me that there has to be some kind of imbalance that the right medication can help to manage. So keep trying until you find the right one...or the right combination of meds. Also, in addition to taking a multivitamin, I've been taking a B12 complex and omega-3 supplements which have really helped my mood and energy level, and there are all kinds of articles that have done studies to show that many people with anxiety, adhd, depression, ocd, sleep disorders etc, have had big improvements from taking them also.    

This is one of the best articles I've read about it...   

http://www.discover.com/issues/may-05/features/vitamin-cure/   

 

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June 22, 2006, 6:08 pm PDT

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                             I really enjoyed the show today,I also have a very disaorganized house.My problem is I get very frustrated,because in my mind I see everything spotless,I want that so much.Its not that I save things its that I do not have proper storage,I am married with 4 Boys,we have a big house,but I never ask for anything that could help me out,with getting organised,I do not have a dresser, I have  a small shop Vacumn to clean thats it.None of my furniture matches.I find when I try to wake up with a positive additude & am ready to jump in and clean my husband who works night shift comes home & sleeps in the room which really frustrates me cause I can never seem to get in my room and clean.,and I have to keep the house quite cause him & my son both work shift work .I was not always messy I just get overwhelmed cause I think how can my husband & boys not see the mess.My boys rooms are very clean no complaints there,its the spare room that they decide to put boxes in instead puttting it where it belongs.I get mad at them because I ask them all to pitch in and take stuff to the Salavtion Army ,but I end up tripping over it,cause they say tommorow I will take it out.In the past  I had loaded the Van so they had no choice but to empty it.but now we have a very small car so nothing I want to get rid of fits in the car.I plan to have a big garage sale at least with the money I can get a dresser & a vacumn.I do find myself a perfectionist when I do organize I go crazy,everything is labeled,and put in the proper place.When I do that my sisiters laugh at me cause I go from one extreme to another,so I'm not sure how I can get more organized,as I can not stand the mess,and I am so embarrassed because it is.So any hints on how I can get my husband & sons to pitch in a bit more,with out getting in a fight? 

I feel bad for you that you don't have the support from your husband and boys, and I'm afraid I don't have any good suggestions on getting them to change.  Have you thought of calling Salvation Army to pick things up at your house?  In our area they have a truck that comes by, as does Amvets.   Do you have any friends that can help you get the stuff outside so that one of the above organizations can pick up the items?  Also, can you get a dresser at a garage sale or Salvation Army?  As for furniture matching, can you paint the items to match?  That's what we did in my daughter's room.   With your husband's work schedule, are you able to do some of the work you'd like to do after he leaves for work? 

  

Also, if you spend just 15-30 minutes a day going through things, you'll start to put a big dent in your stuff and have a better organized home without it being so overwhelming. 

  

I wish you all the best! 

  

  

 
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June 22, 2006, 6:28 pm PDT

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  I guess, I'm that same way.  If I see something that is still in good condition by a dumpster or on top, I will grab it.  Everything is so expensive!My oldest daughter needed a new dresser and I found one beside the dumpster. I cleaned it up and it works just fine!  Maybe I'm just cheap but I find that furniture is so poorly made that I will look where ever I can to get something cheaper or free!  Friends have given me a bed for my middle child.  A crib was given to me for my youngest child.  Garage sales are my absolute favorite! My husband thinks that I might be a little crazy, but I'm only trying to save a buck or two!  When I'm finished with a piece of furniture, I will sell it or give it away!  My house isn't cluttered but the things that I do find,  get lots of use out of it.  My husband took a picture of me hopping out of the dumpster one day.  Someone had moved out of their townhouse and didn't take a thing with them.  I found 2 garbage bags full of wine bottles and other bottles.  That was an extra $100.00 in our pockets.  Two pairs of men's hockey skates(brand new)among other things.    

  I don't feel so embarrassed because I'm not the only one who looks for the free bargains! It's not just American that are wasteful, It's Canadians was well.  No wonder we have such a problem with to much garbage, people don't like something or it's old,dirty, needs a little TLC. They just throw it away.  Recycling was introduced for a reason!! Our planet isn't in very good shape! If only we had a few more people in our world that took the time to be a little wiser about their stuff.  

  There is no need be packrats.  After you are finished with papers,recycle them.  Trees take along time to grow!  Give your clothes, furniture, applainces, accessories to shelters, groups and other people who could use them. I do and I feel good because I may have helped someone else out and save the planet, even if it was just for a moment!  Be smart!  

Sounds like a good idea to me.   I too have no problem pulling things out of dumpsters.  My apartment isn't cluttered, and also I should mention I left things for others on the table in my apartment complex, as well as taking things from it.   Giving is a wonderful thing.  I remember when I in grad school we were given some kids toys as a joke (long story).  I had no use for them so I gave them to this women's grandson in my building.  They were just little inexpensive things, but he loved them.  Now what a waste that would have been if I had just thrown them in the dumpster.   
 
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June 22, 2006, 7:54 pm PDT

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I to am a compulsive hoarder. I have been since I was in my teens. They believe it to be a form of OCD but they're not sure because all hoarders do not have OCD and all those who have OCD are not hoarders. Buy her the book "Overcoming Compulsive Hoarding" by doctors Fugen Neziroglu, Jerome Burbrick and Jose Yaryura-Tobias. I highly recommend it and it may help her but only if as Dr. Phil says she's a "willing spirt". It's paperback, $15. I found it to be a great help. It explains the different degrees of hoarding, why they believe we do it and gives great step by step methods to change the behavior. I hope this helps. Dr. Phil posted a link to the OCD website which lead me to the hoarding website which lead me to this book. For that I am eternally grateful. I hope this helps in some small way.

I found myself really hoping that Dr. Phil and staff would not clean that man's house. I can understand his anxiety. I live that way too. It's spilling out of my home, my garage, my car. I exist in my house, not live. My father helped me clean it out once and before he'd gone I'd filled up the "hole" in the living room with some clothes I "wanted to sort". I'm not sure if they are still there or not. Thanks for mentioning the book. I've been trying to use Dr Phil's Self Matters also to see why I'm living the way I am. I have been to counselors in the past and mentioned this problem. The only answer I get is "take 2 bags of trash out a day". I dutifully answer "sure" and never return. I know it doesn't make any sense, this should be as easy as taking 2 bags out a day. I have not lived this way all my life though there have been other times where it has been this bad. The only thing I can see in every situation is fear but not sure of what.   

 
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June 23, 2006, 2:40 pm PDT

I didn't realize my mom wasn't the only one

When I saw the show today I was almost a little happy.  I realized my mother is not the only person that is ruining her life and her kid's lives.  I could relate to everything Juliet and her brothers were saying.  My mother has been a hoarder I would believe probably most of her life.  However it didn't become a problem until her mother died in 89.  Then she started bringing all my grandmother's stuff to our house and her depression got worse so she laid in bed all day leaving the house a mess.  Then my dad left us in 92 it completely fell a part then because the only reason she ever did clean was because my dad got angry.  Then her father passed away in 96 and that is when the entire contents of his house was moved to ours   

  

My mom has collected everything just like John.  Newspapers, magazines, clothes anything she thinks can be used by someone.  She doesn't throw trash in the trash can it goes on the floor.  She hoards animals too and her house smells like an unkept zoo.  She thinks she is rescuing these animals but truthfully I think they would be better off fending for themselves in the wild.   

  

My biggest fear was my that my disabled brother  and my mom would be trapped in the house when it when up in flames because she left a cigarette burning.  My brother passed away last year so now I just worry about her and the animals.   

  

Her house is so full of stuff that you can't open the front door.  It is spilling out of the garage and onto the car port.  The back yard is full of stuff.  The 3 bedrooms and 1 1/2 bathes are full of stuff and not to mention disgusting.  You can't even get to the sink in the kitchen.  There is absolutely no where to sit in the entire house except the little spot on the sofa where she sleeps.  She also has several storage sheds full of stuff.   

  

This problem has continued to get worse with no end in site.  She blames my sister, our children and our dad for the house being the way it is.  She says she never wanted that house in the first place that your dad bought it without consulting her.  She says that if my sister and I would just come over and help her it wouldn't look like this.  She says that our children have gotten into everything and never left anything alone when they were at her house (when they use to go over there, now we don't allow the kids to go over there).  

  

I moved away 5 years ago to get away from my family and their dysfunctional ways.  But every time I go back or talk from someone from my home town I have to hear about how my mom was digging stuff out of someones trash or I saw your mom at the Salvation Army loading up her car (which by the way her car is full to the top with stuff and is just as bad as the house).   

  

I sit and think sometimes of how when my mother dies are we going to clean up and clear out that house.  I don't want to just get rid of everything because all my grandmother and father's antiques are in there and I do value those but everything else could burn and I wouldn't care.  Honestly at this point the whole house could burn and I wouldn't probably care except as stated above I would be afraid she wouldn't be able to get out.   

  

This has been a problem for 15 years.  It has literally made us almost hate our mother.  We have tried to help so many times but all she ever says is either I don't want your help, or I don't want to do it today or you didn't do it right.  Mainly she says she doesn't want to get rid of everything.   

  

This along with numerous other dysfunctional factors my family has is stressing me out to the point I want to disown them all.  Does anyone have any advice? 

  

Sincerely, 

Stressed to the Max 

 
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June 24, 2006, 12:21 am PDT

Help for Hoarders and Family

If you are a hoarder and need help to learn HOW to get started, there are support groups out there that know what you need to learn, to help conquer hoarding.  It CAN be managed.  Go to the Obsessive Compulsive Foundation Hoarding website, to "Support Groups": There is HOPE! 

http://www.ocfoundation.org/1005/index.html 

  

There is support for family: 

www.childrenofhoarders.com  

(list of links here for many support groups) 

  

Friends & Family of hoarders:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Friends-of-Hoarders/ 

  

Hoarding effects the WHOLE family, not just the hoarder...but it can be managed, don't forget that if you are a hoarder reading this! 

  

  

 
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June 25, 2006, 4:58 am PDT

Two men shift work, stop beating yourself up

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                             I really enjoyed the show today,I also have a very disaorganized house.My problem is I get very frustrated,because in my mind I see everything spotless,I want that so much.Its not that I save things its that I do not have proper storage,I am married with 4 Boys,we have a big house,but I never ask for anything that could help me out,with getting organised,I do not have a dresser, I have  a small shop Vacumn to clean thats it.None of my furniture matches.I find when I try to wake up with a positive additude & am ready to jump in and clean my husband who works night shift comes home & sleeps in the room which really frustrates me cause I can never seem to get in my room and clean.,and I have to keep the house quite cause him & my son both work shift work .I was not always messy I just get overwhelmed cause I think how can my husband & boys not see the mess.My boys rooms are very clean no complaints there,its the spare room that they decide to put boxes in instead puttting it where it belongs.I get mad at them because I ask them all to pitch in and take stuff to the Salavtion Army ,but I end up tripping over it,cause they say tommorow I will take it out.In the past  I had loaded the Van so they had no choice but to empty it.but now we have a very small car so nothing I want to get rid of fits in the car.I plan to have a big garage sale at least with the money I can get a dresser & a vacumn.I do find myself a perfectionist when I do organize I go crazy,everything is labeled,and put in the proper place.When I do that my sisiters laugh at me cause I go from one extreme to another,so I'm not sure how I can get more organized,as I can not stand the mess,and I am so embarrassed because it is.So any hints on how I can get my husband & sons to pitch in a bit more,with out getting in a fight? 

   Hey I can totally understand how the shift  work thing makes it next to impossible to keep a clean house! Add two, not just one, man  and the work of that (even helpful men lack a womans touch or  just don't get it or why it is sooooooooo important to US to have clean and pretty) and wellllllllllllllllllllllll.....................   

     There seems to be something innate in men that a clean surface begs, no make that requires/demands  to have  "set something on it".  A clean house begs to be "marked like turf" by running shoes, t shirts, chip bags, school books. car keys or something. Everytime I got a surface CLEAN and clear of clutter, like metal shavings to a magnet my  husband (and sometimes my girls) set something on it and just "junked it up again".  

   Of course, to them,  the house looks "cluttered" due to MY stuff, NOT their inability to "put their own things AWAY", to include empty coke cans, chipbags, school books,  work stuff, mail picked up but NOT put in the desk and shoes etc 

  It is the "lack of control" in having your enviroment the way  that makes you feel good that is "contributing" to the problem.  Shift work and small kids, and teenagers and young adults still at home, my age, minor health problems associated with that and an already too small house with no closet space, and sheer frustration at the never ending repetive task done infinite times a day  only to have is disordered again that drove me outta my house looking for a "nice enviroment" at the local boutique, antique shop, or store where I could look at the "decor, items for sale, room models decorated with stuff FOR SALE and dream" what I would do if I only I COULD that offered a "refuge" of the mind from then endless cycle of "if only".   

   No matter how you train, ask, or face it bitch and gripe no one sees what we see that needs done, or done better (not just shoved to the corners),  or the endlessness of  keeping house (no matter if we work full/part time or not at all out side the home) or picked up and KEPT clean. It truly affects a woman sense of balance if her home is disordered. At least it does me. By disordered, I don't mean to perfection, but at least presentable.  Sometimes a really messy house is a "cry for some help and understanding". For a while my bunch just "stepped over and around it" and missed the cry completely or just blamed ME and my stuff. Hey, they have stuff tooo!!!!!   It matters not if shift work, lazy/busy/or not on the same clock  husbands, or growing children, lack of funds or space , a womans home (and the state it is in) is still a reflection on the woman.  

   It is also like WE are being taken advantage of or insulted when our families do not understand this or "respect" the work we do to TRY and keep it that way in SPITE of all the setbacks, like shift work.  The only CLEAN homes I have every really seen when dropping in unexpectedly are thos where kids are grown, NO one is home in the day or those that have pleanty of storage space or room for STUFF, or those of totally unsentimental people who throw away everything and or lock people out while they clean or from people who are never there or haven't a care. Occassionally you will find someone "together" ALL the time, with a family under threat of expulsion if they do actually occupy the "living quarters". Ok, save the hate mail. I am just trying to say  it is "rare". These houses on this segment are EXTREME examples of how it totally "gets out of hand". 

    Without realizing it we  women (and some men too) can and do start to resent, feel overwhelmed or lesser than when many factors combine to have a home enviroment that is DEPRESSING, and disordered.  

   It isn't about money,  working or not working, or the lack of a can do spirit.  When the "can do, is turned into a can't do it" by forces out of our control or  that don't cooperate with our wishes, needs or whatever to have  presentable home .............our spirits begin to "wither" and we can easily just become a dog chasing our tail...........or give up completely or spend all our time "out" looking for some pretty, peace or order.  With all the "changes" in thinking, we DO still hold women accountable for "the state the home is in".  

    Often we think "buying something" for storage, or  to make pretty or to "make up" for our  inability to get it under control so we feel in balance ..........without totally thinking it through.......winds up just making it WORSE  or is only a quick fix.   

     That would explain the HUGE profit  retailers make by  telling us we NEED this or that thing or product to make it so, don't feel like the lone ranger here. You are not alone ergo the whole industry hoping to capitalize on "our thinking" or our suseptibility to such.  This  issue  of a "life out of balance is one of the things I was trying to convey in my "how it gets started" post, but got sidetracked. If our needs, as women are in any way advertantlt or inadvertantly or circumstantially  not respected it DOES effect us emotionally and we easyily can feel disrespected when our homes reflect a disordered woman.  IT oft times IS PERSONAL to us. 

  For years I dealt with the shift thing and small children. One thing I did until I was unable to do it as well was to work outside in the yard to gain a sense of pretty, and order. Also the yard stayed nicer LONGER, so I had the sense of accomplishment.   

     Also, I stopped trying to keep house, as if "someone" was going to be dropping by............as rarely did anyone I would be too ashamed to let in. Mostly those that did just drop in unexpectedly  were family, so not such a big deal. I learned to have baskets with lids strategically placed so that minor clutter could be hidden pdq.   Now I have an abundance of "quick storage" trunks, baskets and such so that worked for a while.  I also did finally get some "good" ways to organize,  took me many failed attempts and some "realistically altered" expectations to and a room addition to come closer to achieving this, not to mention kids getting older or out!.   

   I also started pursuing my art or something "outside" the home. It doesn't have to be for pay. And  temp relief for the time being can be in your own back yard!   I did develope a problem with acquirring way too much after 28 yrs married and 4 children and a lifetime of shift work interference, my family changed and it was time to "let go" of lots of stuff..  

    I also had to suffer much, as a result of pent up "disorder/displaced  female  syndrome" and still have remissions where I look to the quick  fix or look, shop and buy (impulse) solutions and have to remind myself (almost daily)  those items that DIDN't help the situation  all that much long term.   

   The last time I did a big dispose, discard, and just throw it out (not trash but outgrown, served it purpose, never use it anymore, don't REALLY need it  stuff) was right after Katrinia hit, and some lucky people got lots of good usable things. Unfortunately after a while the outpouring of stuff  (from people just like US?) was so overwhelming that all the local charities REFUSED to take anymore of anything. That stopped me in my tracks and I still have lots to eliminate.  

      I also held onto my dreams of "someday"...........with some bittersweet as that day will also mean I might be alone with a perfectly clean and ordered house...........and no one to "share"  the day to day with.  I also reminded myself this is going to change someday, and do I really want that day to hurry. Yes and no.  

 
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June 25, 2006, 12:25 pm PDT

So true!!

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That house has gone far beyond clutter.  It also looks filthy and unhealthy, with all the pet food scattered everywhere, pet dung, etc.  This is a case for the local health department.  The home has become nothing more than one big trash dump.  The kids and wife are being forced to live in layers of mess and filth.  That's abuse, not hoarding.  Something should be done about it NOW! 

  

 Nancy has to take charge of her home!  John can load all his stuff  into one of those Pods & haul it away to his own private storage area!   Nancy-- it's your home!  Let him clutter up the trailer while you live in comfort in the house.  He has lots of therapy to do while he figures this out, but he doesn't have to ruin your life in the process!  And forcing those cats to live in moldy cat poop-- that's just WRONG!
 If he pays the bills late, then YOU pay the bills on time.  Tons of wives do the family bookkeeping.  Don't let him bring ONE THING into your home-- he has a big trailer to use. If he wants to see you, he can make a date and take you out.  That house is no longer his  to clutter.  Buy him a nice gift-- 100 small storage boxes.  He needs the clutter right now, but it can be in another location, not in the family home!  By the way,  a support group for you would help you alot.

Good luck!  You can do it!
 
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