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(Original Air Date: 02/02/06) Charles says he has exhausted his relationship with his wife of 19 years, and he's ready to try an alternative lifestyle. Instead of getting a divorce, Charles wants to explore polyfidelity -- a relationship where he is shared between his wife and his mistress. The mistress says she'll give it a try, but his wife, Tracy, says the thought makes her sick. Can Charles convince his wife to share him for the sake of their marriage? And what does Dr. Phil think? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

 

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February 2, 2006, 4:30 pm PST

02/02 Twisted Love

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It is my heart/sou/head-felt hope that this wife focuses on what she now wants out of the relationship with her husband...regardless of his eventual decisions. The marriage has changed forever. I hope she gets independent help, hopefully recommended by Dr. Phil, to come to terms with what has happened, and what she needs and can live with as she moves into the future. If she then wants to continue the marriage, fine. If she finds she doesn't, fine. The absolute grief I know she is feeling has been felt by me and many others. So has the grief she knows her sons-extended family-and close friends are feeling. I will pray for this woman and her children. This man represents a narcissism that is difficult for me to deal with, and for my own peace I need to focus my attention away from him...otherwise I trigger self-destructive feelings and fantasies. I hope, however, there is someone out there who will pray for this man to find his own peace.
How empathetic and beautifully spoken.   Yes she is grief-stricken and thus severely damaged self-esteem from a narcissist - a pain so terrible that you cannot explain unless you have been through it - do you know (especially since you've been subject to a narcissist) that the damage left  from a narcissist is rated as one of the worst psychologically damaging things for one to encounter in a lifetime?   You are smart to focus elsewhere - I'll say a prayer for you and this victimized woman on today's show.
 

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February 2, 2006, 4:30 pm PST

I don't know .....

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I would love to talk to you.  I am the woman on the show Thrusday.  I am new to the message boards, is there a way to send a private message so I can give you my contact information? 
but maybe dr.phil knows if we can leave you our email address
 
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February 2, 2006, 4:31 pm PST

Women are WEAK

A married man doesn't just go out and suddenly find himself in an affair.  I hate it when they say that they didn't know how it happened.  Every single thing we do starts first as a thought.  Your husband was having affairs in his heart and mind long before it happened.  I am soooo sick of men thinking that they deserve and have the right to act like A**HOLES just because they are a man and it's in their nature - "boys will be boys."  That is such a crock of SH*T.  Who ever said that boys should have special standards and special needs met just because they are men.  For some reason women are weak enough to justify to themselves that their husbands have "special needs" and because he is a man - he is above me and I have to be submissive and let it happen - because GOD forbid he ever leave me.  What would I be without him.   A LOT BETTER OFF- that's what I say.  If you walk around acting like a whipped dog, then you are going to be treated like one. 

  

If my husband even whispered a word about another woman - or exporing his "special needs", he would be exporing his options in a small apartment and I would be getting my nice child support check in the mail every month.  I am a stay at home mother of 3 children under the age of 6 and I would rather live on the street in a cardboard box then let my children watch their mother be weak.  Your husbands teach your daughters how to be treated by a man and they also teach your boys how to treat a woman.  You are doing sooo much damage to them by being submissive and allowing yourself to be walked on.  Dr. phil is right.  You teach men how to treat you.  Wake up women - you hold all the power.     

 
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February 2, 2006, 4:32 pm PST

Been there,done that

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Arrogant, arrogant, self-serving, self-justifying, emotionally abusive spoiled insecure little boy who is so out of touch with his own feelings, nevermind anyone else's feelings (especially Tracy). 

 

Charles is a clone of my ex  .... the attitude .... the arrogance .... the non-remorse.   

 

I also had become "uninteresting" to my ex when he felt "unfulfilled" after being together for 8 years.  We were high-school sweethearts and had gotten married after going out for 3 years.  Five years into the marriage and after renovating our house, he decided to have an affair for 1-1/2 years with a "friend".  She was having problems in her marriage and they found comfort in each other's arms.  She apparently "felt badly" doing this to me (as my ex would tell me) while he took her away on weekends to romantic spots (behind my back but he didn't hide it very well).  When I would confront him, he would say I was "nuts" and didn't know what I was talking about and would accuse me of being a detective.  He had told "her" that we were separated.   

 

Of course he needed to have comfort from someone else because I had just had our beautiful baby boy and was going through a very tough time since my Dad (who I loved dearly) had a stroke two days after our beautiful son's birth.  After four months of Dad being the hospital, he died of a heart attack at the hospital.  All the joy of our beautiful son's birth was missed as I went into a depression (which I didn't realize I was in at the time).  Everything was too much and I wasn't able to be as perky as I would like to have been.  Hence he felt justified in finding comfort somewhere else.  The affair ended a year and a half later when I confronted both of them in her apt. parking lot.  He said he ended it but it was her who really ended it. 

 

To make a long story short ..... I stayed with him for a year after the affair ended but we never talked about it.  The anger and sense of betrayal was so overwhelming.  As the year went by my anger grew.  All the feelings of hate I had toward him were not dealt with.  I NEEDED him when our son was born.  I NEEDED him when my Dad had the stroke.  I NEEDED him when my mother was a major pain throughout all this.  I had so many mixed feelings stirring inside me and didn't know how to communicate them.  I look back now and realize I was in shock for a good few months and didn't know how to express how I was feeling.  It was only five months after our son was born and one month after my Dad died that my ex decided to find comfort with "our friend".   

 

After staying with him for that year after the affair ended and trying to pretend everything was ok, my feelings of hate toward him grew until one day I just up and left ..... my son ..... the house my Dad built ..... everything.  I still pay the price for all that even today ..... 28 years later. 

 

Am I glad I left him? .... yes.  If I had my self-esteem and self-worth back then, I would have kicked him out instead of me leaving but that's ok ..... his next wife was stronger than me and five years into their marriage, she kicked him out.  They got back together after a year.  Funny thing is ... when they were split he said to me "living with "new wife" is the same as living with you" ...... duh !! of course.  

 

But, ya see ..... he hadn't changed, even in his second marriage.  At least not until he really felt he had something to lose and that something was his pride.  Pride that a second marriage didn't work.  Pride that she was going to take him to the cleaners.  She was stronger than I wish I had been. 

 

It took him 25 years to apologize to me for (as he said) .... "I really screwed up our marriage and almost messed up the second one".   

 

So Tracy, hold your head high and realize that you have self-worth.  You have beauty, dignity, courage, values and morals.  I cannot believe Charles would have the arrogance to publicly say on television how "beautiful, beautiful" this other woman is when he has a gorgeous woman sitting right beside him.  The only reason he would say that kind of crap on TV is so it would make his fragile, childish ego look good to the TV world that some "beautiful" woman would even take the time to glance at him.  

 

Grow up Charles.  You have a long, long way to go to break through the walls of arrogance you have built up.  My ex also used condescending and demeaning comments to break my spirit.   

 

Will I ever get over what happened in my marriage 28 years ago?   I don't know.  I wish I could.  It's hard to trust. 

 

Tracy, work through all the feelings you are going to feel .... please ...... so you can become the true person you are inside ...... all good. 

 

Take care. 

Charles is the carbon copy of my ex who , to this day, still believes he should have been allowed to be married & date.  It's all MY fault we got divorce & he s ticked off he had to pay a lawyer & chld support-POOR HIM!!!!  He has never "OWNED" what he did.  He is now cheatng on his current girlfriend with the SAME girls he did with me!  Dr Phil says past behavior dictates future behavior.  So true.     I am happy, confdent, & back to my pre marital self.  I have no regrets.  Tracy can & will do so much better than Charles.
 
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February 2, 2006, 4:34 pm PST

02/02 Twisted Love

Quote From: jlcooper47

It is unbelievable to me that anyone (after having watched today's show ) would feel the need to blame Tracy and excuse Charles for his disgusting behavior.  After hearing him tell the viewing audience how beautiful his mistress was and that every man that saw her would "want" her I felt terrible for his wife.  It is no wonder she has no self esteem and lets Charles make all the decisions.  I wish Dr. Phil had spoken with Tracy more and given her more encouragement.  Anyone could see her self esteem was in the gutter.  There is no way she should wait for HIM to decide whether to stay with her or move on with the "other woman".  Charles and "the other woman" deserve each other.  Charles is  arrogant and disgusting and has obviously decided his wife was not fulfilling HIS needs.  Unfortunately there are many women like Tracy out there living lives just like Tracy and Charles.

I completely agree - Charlies and his "other woman" deserve each other - no doubt they'd both do that to each other and wouldn't that be interesting!  Yes, he has destroyed her self-esteem with his arrogance, but hopefully, once she sees the light and let's that loser go, she'll bounce back like she never thought was possible. 

 
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February 2, 2006, 4:34 pm PST

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 I am going througha a similiar situation but  into the legal stages.  Dr Phil  was not objective today and deliberatley chose an  alpha male and a sweet mother of four.  Males do not need the protrayal of men are alpha and women are tender loving woman.  I went outside of my relationship only after three years of no touching or emotional support and refusal of counselling.  Sometimes outside support is necessary.  Dr Phil thinks that support the counselling field or divorce.  There are other options but with  the way  this show was presented only psychologists can solve issues. 

In defense of poly - basically most people in North America are poly these days but in a linear fashion.  Dr Phil says one at a time or go to the courts.  He does not say go to another partner he only says one at a time.  I wanted to protect my partner and she not only  sucked me in by entertaining the idea but then left in middle of the night  and I got served later after 17 year relationship.  It is time to say not  males are alpha and we do love our women  that do not always support us
 

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February 2, 2006, 4:36 pm PST

First Step!

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I am being tormented by this whole thing because I have recently become the other woman. I never watch Dr. Phil but for some odd reason I happen to be in front of the TV to look at a man who's similar to a man I just had a brief affaire with. Before this, I never had an affair and no one ever cheated on me. It's the same routine; I fell in love with him, before I knew he was married. We were never physically intimate before he told me, but we had been once after he did. Even though we decided that it's best for everyone not to continue our affaire, he would like us to stay friends, for me to meet his wife and be a part of his life. I do not intend to but I don't know where to seek  forgiveness for this.

  

 

 

  

 

For all of you who had to go through hell because of another woman, I am deeply, deeply sorry. It's very selfish and arrogant of both the other woman and the husband. It's easier to blame the husband on the show, but the woman is equally to blame.   

 

Tracy, I can't tell you to leave him but please stay strong and God be with you.

  

 

  

After reading this,  I really believe you are truly  sorry.  But my I make a suggestion from a married woman point of view.  I do think you need to come clean with the guys wife and tell her the truth so you can get it off your chest and that she might see what she is really married too. Good luck in finding Mr. Right.    He's not it and not your friend to put you in this situation.   

 
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February 2, 2006, 4:36 pm PST

02/02 Twisted Love

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A married man doesn't just go out and suddenly find himself in an affair.  I hate it when they say that they didn't know how it happened.  Every single thing we do starts first as a thought.  Your husband was having affairs in his heart and mind long before it happened.  I am soooo sick of men thinking that they deserve and have the right to act like A**HOLES just because they are a man and it's in their nature - "boys will be boys."  That is such a crock of SH*T.  Who ever said that boys should have special standards and special needs met just because they are men.  For some reason women are weak enough to justify to themselves that their husbands have "special needs" and because he is a man - he is above me and I have to be submissive and let it happen - because GOD forbid he ever leave me.  What would I be without him.   A LOT BETTER OFF- that's what I say.  If you walk around acting like a whipped dog, then you are going to be treated like one. 

  

If my husband even whispered a word about another woman - or exporing his "special needs", he would be exporing his options in a small apartment and I would be getting my nice child support check in the mail every month.  I am a stay at home mother of 3 children under the age of 6 and I would rather live on the street in a cardboard box then let my children watch their mother be weak.  Your husbands teach your daughters how to be treated by a man and they also teach your boys how to treat a woman.  You are doing sooo much damage to them by being submissive and allowing yourself to be walked on.  Dr. phil is right.  You teach men how to treat you.  Wake up women - you hold all the power.     

GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!     But once you start that downhill, self-esteem battle, it's hard to focus and an arrogant jerk like Charles would take advantage of that - as he did!!
 
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February 2, 2006, 4:38 pm PST

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this guy is nothing but an ego maniac, no woman should ever except anything but being the number on the man in her life. I agree with her, I would rather be alone than to not be the only one. thats what marrage is about isnt it.this is a freakin joke this man is just trying to justify what he is doing and become a hero to other men, he himself said he was an alpha male. when me and my friends talk about past relationships, i only have one case of physical abuse, i sent him to jail! no one put their hands on me, and one realtionship of verbal abuse and still to this day suffer from that one, but i never went back and my friends bounce back and forth between men that have no respect for them, i was a dancer in vegas, but never let men treat me the way my friends have, and still do treat them! ive tried eveything to make them feel worthy of a good man, to no avail i wish someone could help me snap them out of the cycle they are in.
 

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February 2, 2006, 4:41 pm PST

have you considered ?

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My husband has hinted around that he would like to do something similar.  He doesn't want to keep a mistress, but would rather be allowed to have an affair so that he can experience the things he would really like to do that I won't do for him.  He feels that he if gets them out of his system things will be fine.  He cannot guarantee me that he wouldn't want to keep doing it though.  He swears that if I am not o.k. with it he won't do it, but then he keeps pressuring me to do things that I am just not comfortable with or desire to do.  We have been married along time and I know that I have to help keeps things lively and fresh, but I either do what he wants or allow him to go somewhere else to get it.  What choice do I have?  I am afraid one day he will just grow tired of the same old routine and leave.  His other suggestion is for us to go to a swingers club and pick up another woman.  He says it isn't cheating if we're doing it together.  I asked if he would really want to kiss and have sex with another woman and his answer was yes.  Outside of this we have a happy and wonderful marriage.  He is a great father, wonderful provider and showers me with attention.  He just claims to have such a high sex drive that he needs more than what I am currently offering.  Any suggestions?

Have you considered asking your husband how he would feel about you kissing and enjoying another mans affections? 

Why is it that all these discussions seemingly one way? 

How would he feel if he see that you truly are enjoying another mans body, lips and what have you? 

What if you decided that you were in the same boat as he is and simply really bored with him, after-all he is the one past his sexual prime and you are just entering into it. 

As far as sex, never do anything you are uncomfortable with. 

When your husband married you he accepted you for the term of his life under contract with God and putting all others aside allowing no one to put this marriage under. 

Ask yourself if God could make something as wonderful as you how could you allow anyone to treat you as  anything less then you that you are? 

Remember who you are, that you are loved and sex is not the commodity that you will be purchased with! 

I wish you marriage well.  

 
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