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Created on : Friday, February 03, 2006, 04:22:21 pm
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If your marriage is on the rocks, how do you know whether to call it quits or give it one more try? April says that after only a few months of marriage, she received a voicemail on her cell phone from her husband, Jon, saying that he wanted a divorce. This was while she was in the hospital connected to a feeding tube! She says she has no idea what changed all of a sudden and wants some answers. Jon just wants her to sign the divorce papers. Should they try to work things out and give their marriage another try? Then, Kristen is torn between keeping her family and marriage together, or keeping the sparks alive with her current lover. Her husband, Brian, recently moved back into their house because he wants to try and save their eight-year marriage. Does a marriage that was started by infidelity and hurt by infidelity have a chance of surviving? Dr. Phil has strong advice for these parents who are fighting, lying and cheating -- all in front of their young children. Join the discussion.

 

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February 13, 2006, 4:10 am PST

What a Grrreat show

Oh man, this show was the bomb. I really support dr. Phil all the way, he`s got such a natural gift for understanding peoples minds. 

I was utterly shocked to learn abou how easily some of these dudes gave up on their spouses; thank god dr. Phil set them straight. 

Oh yeah, Rock on d.P 

Lots of Love, gudbransson 

 
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February 13, 2006, 4:45 am PST

02/10 Last Chance

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I about flipped my lid when Kristen said that her kids "get along" with the "other man".  She sounded like she was about to say that he would be a great step-father to the kids.  I can't stand women like this.  Whether this man would be a good step-father is neither here nor there and in my opinion a MOTHER should not subject her children to a life of chaos and new men.  Kristen is extremely irresponsible.  This is not about her.  If she leaves her husband and decides to make a "new life" with this other man her kids will remember everything and they will resent her for the rest of their lives. 

  

I do have some personal experience being a step-child and I hated every minute of it.  My step-dad was nice and he made a lot more money than my dad, so I had a great life.  But you know what?  I would have traded that to have a "normal" family in an instant.  I can't get back all the weekends I had to go to my Dad's apartment instead of hanging out in my own neighborhood.  I can't get back how awkward I felt every time my sorority had a "father/daughter" event (events, by the way, that I avoided because if my Mom found out that I took my actual father she would have tried to say that I should have taken my step-dad). 

  

If you are in a bad marriage you should get a divorce.  But you shouldn't remarry.  What happens when your daughter has to walk down the aisle with her FATHER?  As a mother you would want your husband to walk your daughter down the aisle - the step-dad who spent his whole life providing for you... but your daughter would rather walk with her Father. 

  

My point is, this is not about Kristen - it's about the kids.  No matter how well they get along with this other guy they cannot see the consequences of their broken lives if Kristen decides to be with this other guy.  It doesn't matter if they like this guy right now.  Kristen should think about this, be a mother, and PROTECT HER CHILDREN from a broken life! 

I agree the children should be considered. That being said I am a firm believer that a step family can work with the proper motivation. I think that as a good parent as long as the other parent is a good one the relationship between parent and child should be encouraged by both parent and step parent. Some times if it weren't for the step parent then the child would only have the one parent in their lives. To your question what happens when her daughter gets married and who should walk her down the aisle how about who ever she wants. If she says she wants her father then encourage that decision as this is her day but what if she says she wants her step dad to walk her down the aisle because he was the one who was there for her and met her needs. Shouldn't she be encouraged in the same way? Why do their lives have to be broken ones? If both parents can be mature about the situation a child's life does not have to be a broken one. What would be better having two people under one roof who hate and despise each other making the decisions of their children lives or two people in two separate households living happy lives making decisions for their children. With a little work this is possible but people must put their own selfish interest behind and do what is right for the children because irregardless of their situation they will always share the bond of the children.  

 
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February 13, 2006, 5:26 am PST

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i have been married for 2 years and my husband has become so critical of my self and our kids, we have a 1 year old girl and my son who is 9. My husband seems to have changed so rapidly, his temper is becomming scary, he has only hit walls etc, but where does it stop?? he says the nastiest things to me and the kids and tries to make us all feel as bad as humanly possible. Last night my daughter tripped over and he went bollistic and punched a hole in the door, he then told me to get my stuff out of his room and that he was going to "find a root" "some one who would put out". i have a lowered sex drive because of the medication i am on for my heart and i am constantly tiered, i have to keep the house spotless or he spends the night cririsizing and telling me that the place is a pig sty.  

We have also been told recently that he may have another kid out there possibly two and these kids may have been from before we got together, but he told me that there was no chance in hell that theye were his and now i found out that the excuses he gave me are lies. He has even spoken of going for custody of one of them!  

i am tired of all of this, when do you know that enough is enough? how can you tell when you have tried every thing possible? My health is paying for it too, i am on antidepressants, my thyroid is over active and i am having trouble with my heart, i am at the lowest point in my life and i dont know if i can get myself up again.  

But i am terrified of a custody battle and what that would mean for my kids. HELP 

I would say run don't walk but run from this man. It sounds to me like this man is very unstable. Get yourself a lawyer if you can't afford one you can get a free one. Contact the local court house they can give you the number you need for council. He sounds dangerous to me. Sounds like he could hurt you or the kids. You can get an order of protection for yourself and these children mean time find a safe place to take these children and get them there. You and your children will be in my prayers but I urge you to please get help. Get out of there. Sounds like there is a drug issue possible for your husband and if there is all the more reason to get out.
 

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February 13, 2006, 10:05 am PST

I don't blame Jon

From the previews, I thought Jon looked like a total jerk but after watching the show, I don't blame him at all.  Maybe he went about it the wrong way but he needed to get out of that abusive relationship ASAP.  No food in the house?  Showering and cleaning at 1 am and forced out of the house at 5 am?  Sleeping and eating in his car?  That's crazy...he didn't leave, she pushed him out.  If a woman was being treated that way, everyone would applaude her for leaving.  And how come Jon mentioned April's drinking twice but Dr. Phil never addressed it???   Jon realized he did not love April and when you know this in your mind, no therapy in the world will help.  When I realized that I didn't love my husband anymore, I looked like a heartless bitch but I'm the type to pull the bandaid off in one quick rip rather than agonizingly slow...He did her a favor, maybe she will find someone who fits into her controlling little world.  She wouldn't even let him talk on the show...inturrupting with sarcastic comments...very immature.  Jon was being shockingly honest which made him seem cold but what was he supposed to do, drag it out? 
 
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February 13, 2006, 10:29 am PST

Marriage is Sacred

The thing that I do not understand is that he had lived with her before and knew the way things were. I think that he should have thought about all those things before he married her. He said that she was making him leave the house at four in the morning when they were living together and he knew she had a eating disorder. He said on the show that she kept on promising that things were going to change ,but he should have not commited him self to her in the first place until things did change and she got some help.
I think that marriage is a life long commitment and that when you say "In sickness and in health, til death do us part" that you should be 100% sure that is what you want. He should have thought about this before he married her.
 
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February 13, 2006, 11:30 am PST

I AGREE

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 I watched my nephew's life be completely destroyed by a wife with anorexia nervosa.  Dr. Phil did not even touch on the manipulative, compulsive behavior of this mental illness even though it was described in the tapes and April concurred that she had behaved in that fashion.  It was best that this relationship end when it did, so that they both could grow and be the people they want to be.  Jon had no way to know how to deal with April, and April was completely manipulative of Jon.  Now maybe they both have a chance at healthy relationships.

I'm in recovery from anorexia and bulimia.  I LIED and LIED to my boyfriend, fiance, husband about my eating disorder.  He had NO IDEA what he was getting himself into.  I married a man just like my father - someone who would allow me to continue my behaviors.  As long as I was married to this man, I could have my eating disorder for life or until my eating disorder  took my life.  No matter how many laxatives I took, her never said a word.  No matter how emaciated I looked, he never said a word.  No matter how much I exercised, he never said a word.  The perfect marriage? Not for long.  Eventually, I wanted what my friends had in their marriages -- communication.  After so many years of therapy, I wanted to learn how to communicate.  I beefed up my therapy and my husband agreed to marriage counseling.  He refused to communicate.  I wanted recovery, so out he went.  I've asked countless therapists about the odds of SUCCESSFUL marriages betwen e.d.'s and their husbands.  Those with the eating disorder who choose recovery, divorce the husband.  Those who choose to keep the eating disorder, lose the husband or die befor the husband has a chance to go. 

  

  Everyone has a RIGHT  to be happy in this world. Somone with an eating disorder will put the e.d. FIRST and happiness does not exist anyway.  If the significant other wants a shot at happiness, leave and find a woman without such an insideous, sneaky, devious disease. 

 

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February 13, 2006, 12:00 pm PST

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I think you have it wrong. He did not enter into affairs until he told her he wanted a divorce. He was not screwing around on her, he says, before then. And apparently she did not think he was because she had just married him 1 month proir to Jon ending it.....................BUT She shrilled the cheating thing over and over, in an obvious attempt to make him look like the bad guy so she did not have to accept any responsibility for the way she handled her illness. Remember, she admitted she knew she was anorexic for yrs. It was even brought up to Jon by April's father...............HOWEVER she made a CHOICE to go on a "diet" she says to lose weight for the wedding.........supposedly only 20 lbs...........resulting in how she appeared in her wedding photos. Mind you, I am not blaming her for her illness, I am just saying she has some responsibility and accountability in the treating of that illness. I think she knew that, and because she felt guilty for that, she has decided to shift the blame to a man who decided the only way out was to run.  

He should have never ever gone thru with the wedding in the first place. That is what I fault him for........... 

He should have never ever gone thru with the wedding in the first place. That is what I fault him for........... 

I agree!  SOMEBODY should have stopped that wedding.  The pictures of it are absolutely disgusting-this woman who is practically dead all tricked out in a white gown.  He should have called an ambulance! 

  

It is just one more lesson about marrying someone in the hopes that they will change. 

 

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February 13, 2006, 12:10 pm PST

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Hi.......I am new to this message board stuff and want to thank yhou for your words and thoughts.  The number one reason that we did not move to Canada was because out 18 year daughter is a senior in high school and our 16 year old daughter is a sophmore.   

The lying issue was when I caught my husband in several lies and totally busted him.  I know that my self esteem must have been and probably still is in the gutter, or I would be gone by now.  This is a matter of me trying to do what will be best for everybody....not just me.  I obviouslty want the children to have the best of all worlds, a happy mother and father. 

I am a devoted mother.  The fact that my husband sat around for 3 years, depleating our savings, waiting for the perfect job was a huge disappointment to me.  My opinion is that he should have done anything at alk to keep our family afloat and not waste savings....and more importantly, to show our children that sometimes you have to do what you do not WANT to do, and not teach them they can sit around and do nothing for years, waste money, in order to save their pride. (and get the perfect big paying job)  My husband does not believe in therapy, Dr. Phil, anything of that nature, so I am not hopeful that he will "learn" about relationships. 

OK, so there it is.  Call me whatever, but I am still not in a good place and have no clue what is best for me or the children..............well ya, I think I would love to have a romantic relationship.......But he is not leaving Canada, and I am not going there.........and I have lost respect for him.  Bury that fact? get the kids together abd move now to Canada? leave their lives here?Teenage girls in a new country with no freinds when you are about to graduate with your peers of years? I do not t hink so. 

Thanks again for you help 

I agree with the other poster.  You are choosing to end your marriage on some pretty shakey  grounds.  Kids get over moving MUCH more easily than they do their parent's divorce!  And your husband held out for a good job and that choice paid off-right?  You said he found a MUCH better job?  That is the reason to accumulate savings-to allow freedom of choice.   

  

Is it possible that you have decided to end your marriage for different reasons than what you posted and that you are looking for a way to end your marriage and still blame him for it? 

 
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February 13, 2006, 12:29 pm PST

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If I had a CURABLE disease, then I wouldn't have accepted the proposal in the first place and put someone else through my own hell until I got a hold on myself!  She told him that it would get better after marriage, and being that he is not a professional psychologist or doctor, he may have believed her.  It's not his fault that he is human and not fit to deal with this kind of drama.  It's NOT cancer or some other unavoidable disease, it's a disease that at a certain moment in your life, you decide that you will take that road or not.  You are not born destined to be vain which leads to anorexia. 
I understand you have not suffered with this disorder.  thk you for your points but I have been anorexic and still battle with my weight and self image.   Not all men and women that are anorxic are vain or controlling.   I just felt that April was crying out her hubby and he was not ever truly in love or was not equiped to deal with her emotional baggage.   Where is the love for April?  Not here :)  If she had a type of diesease like cancer or other mental issues, her ex still would have left her.  He is a coward.  
 

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February 13, 2006, 12:34 pm PST

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Quote From: dizzy_liz

i have been married for 2 years and my husband has become so critical of my self and our kids, we have a 1 year old girl and my son who is 9. My husband seems to have changed so rapidly, his temper is becomming scary, he has only hit walls etc, but where does it stop?? he says the nastiest things to me and the kids and tries to make us all feel as bad as humanly possible. Last night my daughter tripped over and he went bollistic and punched a hole in the door, he then told me to get my stuff out of his room and that he was going to "find a root" "some one who would put out". i have a lowered sex drive because of the medication i am on for my heart and i am constantly tiered, i have to keep the house spotless or he spends the night cririsizing and telling me that the place is a pig sty.  

We have also been told recently that he may have another kid out there possibly two and these kids may have been from before we got together, but he told me that there was no chance in hell that theye were his and now i found out that the excuses he gave me are lies. He has even spoken of going for custody of one of them!  

i am tired of all of this, when do you know that enough is enough? how can you tell when you have tried every thing possible? My health is paying for it too, i am on antidepressants, my thyroid is over active and i am having trouble with my heart, i am at the lowest point in my life and i dont know if i can get myself up again.  

But i am terrified of a custody battle and what that would mean for my kids. HELP 

First off, talk to your physician about the side effects you are experiencing and let him know that they are impacting your life in a serious way.  Sometimes there are other drugs to try and sometimes the symptoms f the side effect needs treatment.  If there are no medical answers, ask your husband to see your physican with you so he can have your condition fully explained.  He may see the lack of physical love as a sign that you don't love him.  The visit to the physician will clear any misunderstandings up. 

  

I know it is difficult in the middle of other problems to pay attention to expressing love to your spouse, but that is when you need to do it the most. You can give him a sensual foot massage, make a special meal for you two, compliment him and tell him you love him.  

  

I have been very sick on occasion but I was always able to please my husband sexually-even just with a hot-oil, hand job.  Try it, it really is pleasant for your husband and it might make you happier if you gave yourself opportunities to connect with him sexually again. 

  

You may need some counselling.  Having an illness and living with these side effects is a big thing to accept.  It sounds like you have some real pain and unhappiness to get through and a counsellor will help.
 

Your husband needs anger management counselling.  He should see a counsellor to deal with his inappropriate responses and you need to make it clear that his behaviour needs to change or you will take the children and leave him.  

  

Once you have tried all of that, I think you can say that you have tried everything possible. 

  

Just as a precaution, look into what you need to be self sufficient.  Get any training you need and update your skills and networking.  Maybe even find a job.  You may find that he isn't prepared to make the changes he needs to make and if that's the case you need to be able to protect your children from him.  

 
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