Topic : A Child's Voice Connection, Prevent Child Abuse; Abductions

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Created on : Saturday, February 04, 2006, 04:17:12 pm
Author : djmatt

"A Child's Voice Connection"  is a Mission that I have been working on for the past several months.   I am a 46 year old father and husband, married for 26 years and 3 wonderful children, one precious grandson.

 

I have been posting for several month's now on Dr Phil's Depression Site.  I wanted to separate my discussions of depression from this Campaign.

 

Goals of this campaign:

 

  • To be an active advocate for the purpose of preventing Child abuse and Abductions.
  • To Integrate as many Advocacy Groups out there for one common cause.  This includes "The Amber Alert" which is named after Amber Hagerman who was a nine year old girl who was abducted, sexually assaulted, and murdered in 1996.
  • Public Awareness and intervention of suspicious circumstances of a child who may be the victim of abuse by reporting to authorities, calling 911.
  • To teach the public which will include parents, teachers, law enforcement, clergymen the significance and magnitude of this problem.  According to Oprah Winfrey, every day 2000 children are reported abducted or missing. 
  • To teach children, on a scale based on their ages how to avoid penitentially dangerous situations.  To teach them the realization of statistics and dangers,  and stories of other little girls and some little boys who have been abducted.  Especially the most well known and recent cases such as Amber Hagerman, Jessica Lunsford, Carlie Brucia, and others.
  • This is critical.  To teach little boys, on a sliding scale based on age, the SIGNIFICANCE AND LIFE LONG NEGATIVE IMPACT AND SEVERE EMOTIONAL TRAUMA THAT LITTLE GIRLS WILL SUFFER BECAUSE of THEIR ACTIONS.
  • I believe that if we increase our efforts 100 fold, which is totally possible, that we can reduce this horrific and disgusting and terrible assaults on our children by at least 50%.
  • My goal is to eliminate child abuse and abductions. 
  • Statistics say that 1 or 4 children are molested by the age of 18.  I believe that it is more life 50% or greater.  This is sickening and MUST BE STOPPED.
  • I would like to thank Oprah for her contributions to our children and her campaign to fight child abuse, and I share the same convictions as Oprah and hope that this message board will serve to help in this campaign.
  • I am an ordained minister and the is my calling.  I am going to work with the local Law Enforcement Agencies, The Amber Alert program, Churches, communities, and Neighborhood watches.

Summary.  Educate, protect and be as straight forward as possible to stop this madness.  TO get the communities involved, and have a plan of action which I am working on in the event of an abduction.

 

Please join this discussion and I am going to provide an email address to forward any questions and/or comments to related to this topic.

 

DJMATT AKA djphil



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February 9, 2006, 7:33 am PST

DJ's Mission: Stand Up For Kids every day by being AWARE. I found online and listed link first the your nephew suggested.

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My nephew who is an investigator for the loca P.D. is working witth me on this campaing.  He gave me a site called www.achildismissing.com 

Did you have this one listed?  I am looking into it now.  It seems to be good for law enforcemtn agencies. 

  

He has given me some good advice and is willing to help in anyway he can. 

  

  



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If you are hurting due to past abuse it may be healing for you to volunteer at organizations that help prevent what happened to you from happening to others such as children. If interested, check out links below and under "General and Mental Health Resources" link above for job and volunteer opportunities like one member here did.

http://www.achildismissing.org

http://www.standupforkids.org

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We pray the Lord for each child to take care
If any should need help to keep from pain
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http://www.vaonline.org/children.html

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/help/ca.htm

Help an abused child
Volunteers needed now. Find out
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www.childadvocates.org

Help Neglected Children
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& opportunity. Learn how to help!
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Every 40 seconds a child
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Help Children
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Protection. Advance Humanity.
unicefusa.org

Child Abuse
Research child abuse at the
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www.questia.com

(The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN))
1-800-656-4673 (HOPE).
www.rainn.org
It is FREE, it is confidential and it is answered 24/7.


www.coolnurse.com/hotline.htm


24 HR counselling Child Abuse
1-800-4-A-CHILD (1-800-422-4453)
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February 9, 2006, 7:42 am PST

I have added Carlie's Law to list Michele... http://carlieslaw.org and http://www.codeamber.org

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Does anyone here have a state law where registered sex offenders are suppose to stay so many feet from schools?  Nebraska is currently trying to pass a bill that would make registered offenders stay like 1000 feet away from schools.
Here is why they are thinking of passing this law.   There was a 5 year old that was molested at one of the grade schools here in Lincoln about two months ago.  (In fact it's the school I go to for the YWCA....but didn't know the little boy). The guy that molested this little boy lived way across town and took a bus to the school. He was a stranger to the school, didn't work there or anything.  He hid in the boy's bathroom waiting for a kid to come in.  A teacher did see him come into the building and reported it to the office.  They put the school on "code red" and made students stay inside classrooms, but it was too late.  A little boy went into the bathroom and it happened in just a few minutes.   This guy had sexually molested before.  He served little time for the previous molestation and was out on probation.  
So after that happened, they are trying to pass this bill. They have made it mandatory that schools lock all doors but one, and that door has a security officer watching it, which I think is good.  But I don't see how this bill is going to work.   I'm thinking, moving sex offenders away isn't going to do a darn thing. Look at the guy I wrote about.  He went across town.  If they have the urge to molest, they will drive, take a cab or bus to get to their victims.  Right?  They will find a way!
So I was just wondering if any of your states had this law and if it proved to be effective.   I personally think it sounds useless and bills like Carlie's law should be passed instead (longer punishment for offenders). 
Michele
 


AWARENESS

If you are hurting due to past abuse it may be healing for you to volunteer at organizations that help prevent what happened to you from happening to others such as children. If interested, check out links below for job and volunteer opportunities like one member here did.

http://www.achildismissing.org

http://www.codeamber.org

http://carlieslaw.org

http://www.standupforkids.org



Our Prayer Chain
Prayed by: SEA

Now we reach up to our Sweet Lord in prayer
We pray the Lord for each child to take care
If any should need help to keep from pain
Help will come quickly in our prayer chain





AWARENESS

http://www.vaonline.org/children.html

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/help/ca.htm

Help an abused child
Volunteers needed now. Find out
how you can make a difference.
www.childadvocates.org

Help Neglected Children
We provide meals, shelter, services
& opportunity. Learn how to help!
myfriendsplace.org

Every 40 seconds a child
goes missing in the United States.
Find out how you can help.
www.vca.org

Help Children
For every child - Health, Education
Protection. Advance Humanity.
unicefusa.org

Child Abuse
Research child abuse at the
world's largest online library.
www.questia.com

(The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN))
1-800-656-4673 (HOPE).
www.rainn.org
It is FREE, it is confidential and it is answered 24/7.


www.coolnurse.com/hotline.htm


24 HR counselling Child Abuse
1-800-4-A-CHILD (1-800-422-4453)
www.missingkids.com

AWARENESS


INTERNATIONAL LINK:

http://www.icmec.org

AWARENESS

 
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February 9, 2006, 9:06 am PST

Inspired by one of DJ's posts on February 8th PST time, 2006...



Cross our Hearts and Round The World
Prayed by SEA

When we wake up each morning
Before getting up we pray
DJ's mission warning
Our children ARE NOT prey

AWARENESS becomes our cross
To make a positive difference
Preventing innocence lost
From apathetic indifference

It takes a BIG vision
For a very BIG mission
Led by that Great Physician
And DJ's determined volition

So join DJ and us today
Take up your cross and pray
There is no time to waste
AWARENESS means no delay

Positively I walk Cross Texas
Sharing a man in Georgia's vision
AWARENESS saves innocent children
And is DJ's, your, my and our mission


 

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February 9, 2006, 12:14 pm PST

A Child's Voice Connection, Prevent Child Abuse; Abductions

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Does anyone here have a state law where registered sex offenders are suppose to stay so many feet from schools?  Nebraska is currently trying to pass a bill that would make registered offenders stay like 1000 feet away from schools.
Here is why they are thinking of passing this law.   There was a 5 year old that was molested at one of the grade schools here in Lincoln about two months ago.  (In fact it's the school I go to for the YWCA....but didn't know the little boy). The guy that molested this little boy lived way across town and took a bus to the school. He was a stranger to the school, didn't work there or anything.  He hid in the boy's bathroom waiting for a kid to come in.  A teacher did see him come into the building and reported it to the office.  They put the school on "code red" and made students stay inside classrooms, but it was too late.  A little boy went into the bathroom and it happened in just a few minutes.   This guy had sexually molested before.  He served little time for the previous molestation and was out on probation.  
So after that happened, they are trying to pass this bill. They have made it mandatory that schools lock all doors but one, and that door has a security officer watching it, which I think is good.  But I don't see how this bill is going to work.   I'm thinking, moving sex offenders away isn't going to do a darn thing. Look at the guy I wrote about.  He went across town.  If they have the urge to molest, they will drive, take a cab or bus to get to their victims.  Right?  They will find a way!
So I was just wondering if any of your states had this law and if it proved to be effective.   I personally think it sounds useless and bills like Carlie's law should be passed instead (longer punishment for offenders). 
Michele
 

It's good to see legislation moving forward in the right direction, but I feel the same sentiments as you, keep them locked up for a longer period of time.  And in the mean time I believe they should triple their efforts or more to figure out what makes these pedophiles tick. 

  

If you can diffuse a ticking time bomb then you have conquered the root of the problem.  I feel the laws should be tougher, and the punishments more stringent.  But what is making these people do these things?  And how much control do they have over their actions? 

  

These are the questions that need answering, and searching for a gene, childhood trauma the perpetrators may have experienced and so on. 

  

You know what my problem is, and I guess it is from my religious beliefs, I still feel some sympathy for the perpetrators. I hope this doesn't cause an outrage.  But hear me out.   

  • Many child molesters were abused when they were a child.  A what is going on in their minds is years of frustration, guilt, anger, hostility, and a warped view of the world.  Unless they received appropriate counseling and treatment when they are young. 
  • BUT! It infuriates me to see what all of these little children have gone thru.  It is a chain of sinister continuity that has to be broken. 
  • I know there are those who do have control and are just sinister and selfish in their thinking, and devise their own terroristic ways of hurting children. These should be dealt with.
  • BUT referring to the previous bullet point, what causes them to be this way?  I think through time and research, and this is a very big part of my campaign, we will begin to see more closely, like looking at a germ under the microscope for the first time, the brain alteration, or genetic factor, or chemical abnormality, or something we may not even be aware of; the hope of finding the link that causes pedophiles is the key.
  • Which brings me to my next point.  DO I believe we should excuse minor incidents?  NO.  They should be dealt with as well.  An example, I was told by a friend and co-worker of mine many years ago that his sister was fondled by someone, and the family caught wind of it, and it ceased.  It was a one time incident.  Do they know that for sure?  I don't know.  Degrees of punishments for degrees of crime is what our system is basically based on.  But all we can do as a society is the best we can do.
  • Should we consider the pedophile, not one who harms by beating or torturing or killing, but who subjects a teenager for instance, to intercourse; should he be considered something else besides a human being?  Should we tie him to a tree, beat his flesh and torture him repeatedly?  Should we deprive him of basic human needs such as, food and water and allow him to die?  Or should we subject him to life without any social connections, or human connections?

These are just a few things to be considered.  WE ARE ON A CAMPAIGN TO FIGHT CHILD ABUSE, WHETHER IT BE SEXUAL ABUSE, OR OTHER KINDS OF ABUSE, PHYSICAL, MENTAL, ETC.  

  

WHEN IT COMES TO A DECISION WHETHER TO LOCK UP SOMEONE TO KEEP THEM FROM HURTING A CHILD, THAT IS WHAT SHOULD BE DONE! 

  

And this is another controversial matter.  Are all child molesters pedophiles?  NO, Not all of them.  But most are.  I know this for a fact.  I sincerely believe that there are a lot of cases in which MENTALLY ILL individuals may molest a child; but with the right medications and treatments can overcome this.  Let's just say that I know of some real life case studies from many years ago. 

  

I believe that ALL sex offenders, and other violent criminals who are let back out on the street into society should be released with a monitoring device that tracks their every move for life!  And in that case there would be the RED ZONES, any where a child resides, or children congregate, such as schools, and playgrounds, etc.  this individual will be arrested the minute he crosses into a red zone.  That's one of my goals. 

  

We do sincerely have to look at the individual cases, and the individuals who commit these atrocities, and decide what punishments are appropriate, and if they can be cured of their illness.   

  

BUT MY STAND IS ALWAYS FOR THE CHILD.  AND IF WE CAN FIND OUT WAYS TO CURE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS, AND KEEP THE REST OF THEM AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN, THEN WE HAVE SUCCEEDED. 

  

I WANT TO CLARIFY, I DO NOT HAVE SPECIFIC ANSWERS FOR EVERY QUESTION, AND MOST OF ALL, IN NO CASE DO I CONDONE, ACCEPT, EXCUSE OR FEEL SORRY FOR SOMEONE WHO ABUSES A CHILD.   TO HAVE SOME SYMPATHY FOR SOME INDIVIDUALS DOES NOT MEAN THAT I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM OR EXCUSE THEM.  THERE ARE MANY THAT I CANNOT BRING MYSELF TO HAVE ANY SYMPATHY FOR, AND THAT IS THOSE WHO VIOLENTLY MOLEST AND/OR HARM AND/OR KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN.   

  

  

 

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CLARIFICATION

THE REASON I MENTIONED FEELING SOME SYMPATHY FOR SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS, IS MAINLY THE ONES WHO ARE CLOSE IN AGE TO THE VICTIM, THE VICTIM CONSENTS TO THIS ACT, AND THE PERPATRATER DOES HAVE A SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS. 

 

ANYTHING BEYOND THIS, I CANNOT GRASP ANY EMOTIONS FOR ANY EXCUESES! 

 

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February 9, 2006, 12:51 pm PST

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I was going to therapy but let the very 100 percent truth be told without be conceited I KNEW MORE about THERAPY than the Therapist!  She wanted to girl gab and I wanted to roll up my sleeves and purge the rest of the BS. 

  

I thought I knew all about EVEY SINGLE one of my triggers until I saw this show about pedophiles, and sex abusers and right to the core of me I cried and got sickened.  Note to self another trigger was born...don't watch these shows! 

  

I have had 14 years of therapy, 2 phychwards, 2 drug rehabs,  I'm done with.....Unless THE INTERNATIONAL GURU OF THE MIND CAN STEP IN AND HELP I have exhausted all possibilities out here.  The mental joints out here are nothing but fabricated insurance tak4ers and the top dogs out here have been put before courts.  The "Experts in PT SD"  I was told I met the criteria to meet was a scam too just as I suspected.  It was a STUDY my therapist put me in which PISSED ME OFF the guiepig factor once again....so I just said to myself NOT AGAIN! 

  

I am back to just taking my pills and starting to be lost again! 

  

I think you should sign you name djmatt aka Drphil  that was cute.... 

  

I don't talk to anyone butt SEA our Earth angel from Dallas.  The other board Borderline made me feel terrible and the depression board with the exception of SEA and like 4 others is filled with Bullies trying to lasso others to some friend board. 

  

Isn't that soooooo sad? 

  

Yes to the supervior role....Geuss what  Company cars in 3 weeks   yeah! 

IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THIS, EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE A GROWN WOMAN, I CAN GET A GRASP ON THE CHILD IN YOU, THE PART THAT IS STILL HURTING! 

  

As you, and the rest know I am not a doctor, but I understand where you are coming from.  Many health professionals only see the black and white they read in the books.   They cannot begin to comprehend the REALITY of what they are treating unless they have been there. 

  

My heart goes out to you, sincerely!  I wish I could protect the child in you!  I wish I could have been there for you to defend you against your tragedies. 

  

I am so sincere.  As I told my wife many years ago, when we were teenagers, I wish I could hold every child in this world who is subject to abuse and protect them!  I still feel that way.  And I know the pain never goes away.  And sometimes it takes a lot to bring tears to my eyes, but not at this moment.  You sound like you need someone in your life whom you can put your total trust in, and to tell you everything is going to be ok! 

  

DR PHIL. I AM CALLING ON YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL. 

  

AND I AM ALSO CALLING ON THE ALMIGHTY GOD IN MY PRAYERS FOR YOU!  

  

This brings home the realization of what I am fighting for.  I know there are many grown women in our society, and this world who were molested as a child, and this pain is deep, BUT THERE ARE ANSWERS. 

  

And again, I can only offer my opinion, but just the term "Self Worth" comes to mind.  I haven't read the book, but I can imagine it's contents.   

  

And let me offer one other small bit of connection.  When I was in Jr High and High School, I was bullied.  Nothing compared to what you and many young girls go thru.  But I was beaten to a pulp on more than one occasion.  And simply because I was smaller in stature and number.  So to be over powered, this is only on example in my life.  I was humiliated, and it still crosses my mind frequently.  I carried my Bible to school, thus I was a "different" character and deserved to be punished in the minds of those individuals. 

  

But I have my family, which is my security blanket. Every man, no matter how tough, mean, or strong has the need for acceptance, and the need to be loved and the need to feel secure.  Even grown men with great strength have the need for a feeling of security! 

  

I wish I knew the answers, I wish I knew what to say.   

  

I wanted to related to your counselor.  My doctors seem to be the same way, just because they do not see any thing in the ex-rays that will cause pain, they assume I have no pain.  I had to stand my ground just to get pain meds from my MD, because she has gotten so arrogant, she believes her staff is perfect,  but they made the mistake of not mailing my Rx of the Patch. 

  

Then I had insist on speaking to the MD, no matter how long I had to wait to get an Rx for pain. 

  

Then they called in Propoxy, which I told them specifically not to call in because it is ineffective, and it increases my depressive symptoms. 

  

I have had too many experiences with MD's who think they are god.  They only think they know, they don't really know what is going on. 

  

I am rambling.  Sorry.  I hope you feel well, and post me anytime.  I am still working on that email issue. Looks like I may have a virus that some how interferes with the email. 

  

Take care 

  

djmatt AKA djphil 

  

 

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February 9, 2006, 12:56 pm PST

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AWARENESS

If you are hurting due to past abuse it may be healing for you to volunteer at organizations that help prevent what happened to you from happening to others such as children. If interested, check out links below and under "General and Mental Health Resources" link above for job and volunteer opportunities like one member here did.

http://www.achildismissing.org

http://www.standupforkids.org

Our Prayer Chain
Prayed by: SEA

Now we reach up to our Sweet Lord in prayer
We pray the Lord for each child to take care
If any should need help to keep from pain
Help will come quickly in our prayer chain





AWARENESS

http://www.vaonline.org/children.html

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/help/ca.htm

Help an abused child
Volunteers needed now. Find out
how you can make a difference.
www.childadvocates.org

Help Neglected Children
We provide meals, shelter, services
& opportunity. Learn how to help!
myfriendsplace.org

Every 40 seconds a child
goes missing in the United States.
Find out how you can help.
www.vca.org

Help Children
For every child - Health, Education
Protection. Advance Humanity.
unicefusa.org

Child Abuse
Research child abuse at the
world's largest online library.
www.questia.com

(The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN))
1-800-656-4673 (HOPE).
www.rainn.org
It is FREE, it is confidential and it is answered 24/7.


www.coolnurse.com/hotline.htm


24 HR counselling Child Abuse
1-800-4-A-CHILD (1-800-422-4453)
www.missingkids.com

AWARENESS


INTERNATIONAL LINK:

http://www.icmec.org

AWARENESS

I really appreciate your support and time and effot.   

  

Thanks 

  

djmatt 

 

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February 9, 2006, 12:59 pm PST

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Cross our Hearts and Round The World
Prayed by SEA

When we wake up each morning
Before getting up we pray
DJ's mission warning
Our children ARE NOT prey

AWARENESS becomes our cross
To make a positive difference
Preventing innocence lost
From apathetic indifference

It takes a BIG vision
For a very BIG mission
Led by that Great Physician
And DJ's determined volition

So join DJ and us today
Take up your cross and pray
There is no time to waste
AWARENESS means no delay

Positively I walk Cross Texas
Sharing a man in Georgia's vision
AWARENESS saves innocent children
And is DJ's, your, my and our mission


What a very beautiful and meaningful poem.  I am going to print this one out.  And the "Cross our Hearts Around the World" has such depth in meaning.   

  

Thank you 

  

dj 

 
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February 9, 2006, 1:34 pm PST

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Does anyone here have a state law where registered sex offenders are suppose to stay so many feet from schools?  Nebraska is currently trying to pass a bill that would make registered offenders stay like 1000 feet away from schools.
Here is why they are thinking of passing this law.   There was a 5 year old that was molested at one of the grade schools here in Lincoln about two months ago.  (In fact it's the school I go to for the YWCA....but didn't know the little boy). The guy that molested this little boy lived way across town and took a bus to the school. He was a stranger to the school, didn't work there or anything.  He hid in the boy's bathroom waiting for a kid to come in.  A teacher did see him come into the building and reported it to the office.  They put the school on "code red" and made students stay inside classrooms, but it was too late.  A little boy went into the bathroom and it happened in just a few minutes.   This guy had sexually molested before.  He served little time for the previous molestation and was out on probation.  
So after that happened, they are trying to pass this bill. They have made it mandatory that schools lock all doors but one, and that door has a security officer watching it, which I think is good.  But I don't see how this bill is going to work.   I'm thinking, moving sex offenders away isn't going to do a darn thing. Look at the guy I wrote about.  He went across town.  If they have the urge to molest, they will drive, take a cab or bus to get to their victims.  Right?  They will find a way!
So I was just wondering if any of your states had this law and if it proved to be effective.   I personally think it sounds useless and bills like Carlie's law should be passed instead (longer punishment for offenders). 
Michele
 
I think it's a 1000 ft.
 
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I'd like to request a prayer for Carlie's mom

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AWARENESS

If you are hurting due to past abuse it may be healing for you to volunteer at organizations that help prevent what happened to you from happening to others such as children. If interested, check out links below for job and volunteer opportunities like one member here did.

http://www.achildismissing.org

http://www.codeamber.org

http://carlieslaw.org

http://www.standupforkids.org



Our Prayer Chain
Prayed by: SEA

Now we reach up to our Sweet Lord in prayer
We pray the Lord for each child to take care
If any should need help to keep from pain
Help will come quickly in our prayer chain





AWARENESS

http://www.vaonline.org/children.html

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/ovc/help/ca.htm

Help an abused child
Volunteers needed now. Find out
how you can make a difference.
www.childadvocates.org

Help Neglected Children
We provide meals, shelter, services
& opportunity. Learn how to help!
myfriendsplace.org

Every 40 seconds a child
goes missing in the United States.
Find out how you can help.
www.vca.org

Help Children
For every child - Health, Education
Protection. Advance Humanity.
unicefusa.org

Child Abuse
Research child abuse at the
world's largest online library.
www.questia.com

(The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN))
1-800-656-4673 (HOPE).
www.rainn.org
It is FREE, it is confidential and it is answered 24/7.


www.coolnurse.com/hotline.htm


24 HR counselling Child Abuse
1-800-4-A-CHILD (1-800-422-4453)
www.missingkids.com

AWARENESS


INTERNATIONAL LINK:

http://www.icmec.org

AWARENESS

And of course all the parents of these children. It's just when I saw Carlies name it made me think that I saw her mom on TV the other night because she was arrested for prostiution and drug charges. I am sure she had problems before Carlie was killed but I think that it has definetly sent her deeper into trouble. 

  

Thanks, 

heather 

 

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