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August 16, 2005, 7:03 am PDT

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Labelfree, could you please tell me what it means... I promise you I can handle it. 

 

As for Ryan...... umm.... I'm not looking for love by having sex with him... I know that sex doesn't equal love.... so yeah... as for STD's ..... he said he hasn't been with anyone else for a long time... hmm.... I just thought of something.... could I have a STD and not know it?.... As for getting pregnant....hmm.... well.... I haven't gotten pregnant so far... but it could happen... and yeah the last thing I need right now is a baby.... but the possibility of getting pregnant now doesn't hold much water with me.... I mean... honestly if I could get pregnant.... I think it would have happened already.... Hey I just thought of something else.... no one has ever asked me before if I even had kids.... that would be a shocker wouldn't it... lol.... Hey does the caps mean your yelling at me... lol... Talk to ya later.  

 

Oreo 

 

P.S... The thought of you yelling at me is kinda funny... I think this is the first time I've smiled all day. 

have an STD and not know it.  Have you ever been to a gynocologist, Oreo?  I would highly suggest a trip down to Planned Parenthood to discuss your options regarding birth control, to get some tests done, and to set yourself up with regular gynocological(did I spell that right?) visits BEFORE you consider having sex with Ryan.  The odds are low that you have an STD and dont know it but there IS a chance.  People can be carriers of certain things without symptoms for quite a while. 

  

So... if you are ready to take the next step then you must also be ready to be responsible and act as a grown up with all this.  You cant just jump in the sack with some guy and not be prepared.  And its not only physical preperation that is important but emotional preperation too.  It really is best to be in love before you have sex.  The emotional roller coaster it causes is far less of a ride if you love each other.  Also, it doesent really matter whether he has been with someone in a long time or not.  The most responsible thing you could do would be for you both to go get tested and go from there.  I know it takes alot of the fun and glamour out of it but with all the things you are allowing yourself to be vulnerable to you must be very responsible even if it isnt so much fun. 

  

  

 
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August 16, 2005, 7:44 am PDT

well then...

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 Ok, so.... hmmm.....maybe I should read up on some stuff as far as medical stuff... so ya'll know.... my mom has never explained anything to me... as far as sex and stuff like that... I don't know much about anything... though I am learning... up until recently I didn't know what a gynocologist was (I know I didn't spell that right..lol).... I wasn't even sure what a menstrual cycle was... exactly.... I mean like.. why, you know...I had to ask someone what ejaculate meant... (which was so embarrassing when I found out).... so yeah... the most that I know about sex.... is from.. unfortunately... experience... so yeah, there's alot that I don't know but I am learning... slowly. 

 

Momisme..... I'm still not sure what the word means... so I'll just look it up.... oh yeah, I don't know when or if I'm leaving... my dad hasn't gotten the letter yet... but I'm sure he will soon...... And umm... I don't know if I have ever been to a gynocologist (?)..... I know that I had some tests done because of what happened with my grandfather but I'm not exactly sure about that whole thing.... and before then... I've never been... so yeah... 

...if you have any questions about anything sexual you can post them and I will answer for you.  Finding out that you havent had any formal sex eduxation and didnt even know what a menstrual cycle was has me leaning far more towards others views on this whole possible sex with Ryan situation.  I highly agree with everyone about boys/men using sex as a weapon, about you coming from a spot where it has always been used against you and you def. need to be in a place not to just give in for whatever reason.   

  

At your age you must get yourself down to the gynocologists.  Planned Parenthood has nurse practioners(and I think some have actual dr.s) who can run tests.  You need to have yearly tests done for your own health that has nothing to do with sex.   

  

As far as the word... its just a nasty swear word so dont worry bout it.  Your mom was just trying to hurt you for whatever twisted reasons she has.  Blow it off honey and dont worry bout it.   

 
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August 16, 2005, 7:55 am PDT

sorry everyone

Ive been so bad about not responding to others posts besides Oreos.  Ive just been busy and cant help wanting to respond to the youngest member on the board.   

  

Labelfree, I have been reading some (but not all im sorry to say) of your posts about your husband.  I do hope things work out for you!  I have heard so many people say to me "why cant you just get over it" regarding the CSA that by now it just makes me laugh.  I find thats something people say who have no clue what it does to you or they just wanna bury their heads in the sand.  Usually its wanting to bury their heads in the sand.  Tell someone they are wrong and bad for not being able to 'get over it' and 'forgive' then you are off the hook to try and help anybody.  Very  typical response im sorry to say!   

  

Mj and Mussymel its always good to see you on the boards!  Was it Mj(or mussymel~I sometimes get the two M's confused  ;) who said they were wanting to blow off work?  Well im with you on that today!  I have so much stuff to be doing round here right now yet here I sit having coffee and posting.  :D  tehe   

  

Bzbluiii always happy to see posts from you too.  Im getting used to your new user name now.  :)  That only took a couple weeks.  tehe 

  

Ok... I am sorry I havent been able to respond to everyone and now have to run off again!  Im so bad!  :(  But doesent mean im not thinking of you all and hoping everyone is doing well.  Hope you all have a nice tuesday!  (it IS tuesday, yes?  HAHA) 

 
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August 16, 2005, 8:16 am PDT

LOL

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Momisme...... I have had a "sexual experience" (not sex) with someone who was older... that was actually consensual.... though some may not think so.... And I did it because he asked me and I felt like I owed it to him because he had been nice to me.. (which I know now wasn't right).... so yeah... I know that my view of sex is pretty screwed up... but I think that I've learned a little more since then... (obviously not that much) but yeah... I don't know....  

 

So..... this is kinda weird.... no one can tell me exactly what the word means... which has me even more interested as to what it means.... and also why my mom called me the word anyway... so yeah... 

 

Oreo 

I cant help giggling over you saying that no one can tell you what the word means so now youre even more interested.  HAHA  That sounds alot like me.  Nothing piques my interests more then somethign people dont wanna explain.  ;) 

  

I did give you the meaning.  Its just a nasty word for a womans vagina.  Really, thats all it means.  The most probable reason your mom called you that is becuase for most women that is the one word that can get them riled up.  The majority of women like being called that least of anything.  Its a great way to work up a woman.  But of course, you need to know what it means to have any effect.  lol 

  

Ok now I really gotta run!  But if you do have any questions you would like to know about sex or anythign else regarding your body or mens bodies you can post em and I will do my best to answer for you.   

  

p.s.  im VERY PROUD OF YOU for mailing that letter!!  YOU are amazing Oreo!!!!   

 
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August 17, 2005, 4:15 am PDT

definition

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OMG!?!.... ok so, I looked up the word... hmm.... It said that it's one of the most insulting and rudist words in the english languauge... Is that true?.... It also said that it means..."The dirtiest of all women, the lowest form of life on earth. Simply, an F'ing whore"..... another definition said..."it implies that the named person is extremely nasty and unpleasant in a way that b**** does not imply"... so yeah... Is that about right?..... Well, I guess that's... (crying).... I guess that's why ya'll wouldn't tell me.... well... I honestly don't have anything else to say about it I guess...

Where do you look up swear words to find the meanings?   I didnt know you could do that online.  I also didnt know all the definitions for that word.  Here I am trying to give you the meaning and seems I gave you the wrong one.   

  

But you know what, Oreo?  Its only a word.  I know its so very hurtful to have your mother say such things.  My opinion on it all is that she is venting her anger at you because she can.  At this point, after everything that she has allowed to happened, for her to look at herself and put the blame where it belongs is just too much for her.   So instead she will blame you and say mean nasty things to you cus its easier then looking in the mirror.  Alot of my family did the same things to me.  Blamed me for everything name calling and such.  It hurt.  I know it does.  After a while of it and even to this day I look at it like this;  I know that no matter how much certain family members pretend they are not wrong, pretend anger at the victims instead of the abusers and themselves for refusing to protect children, they KNOW  the truth deep down.  You can lie and hide and pretend all you want but the truth is always there.  Even if its deep down inside.  I cant imagine how some of these people sleep at night.  Taking the road of blaming the victims as they do, refusing to DO anything to help innocent children, has just got to be one of the hardest things they could ever do.  You cant run and hide from yourself.  That never works.   

  

Any mean nasty bad thing she calls you is just a reflection of how she must think of herself, Oreo.  Youre not a mother so I know its almost impossible for you to understand but im telling you, there is NOTHING a mother can do that is worse then turning her back on her children.  The guilt and suffering she will be forced to live the rest of her life with is her justice.  In time, the best thing for you to feel towards her, would be pity.  She will never be able to run from all the horrors she has inflicted (by her lack of actions) towards her own children.  As a mother, I cant imagine a worse fate. 

  

Try not to allow her words to have any power over you by understanding what she will be living with for the rest of her life.  Make yourself a vow that in the future when you become a mother, you will NEVER treat your children as you were treated.  That instead you would go to your grave to protect them.  That they will ALWAYS know of your love from your actions and your words.  Many who have been through the same thigns have come out of it healthy and healed then onto becoming the very best mothers.  

  

You should try to understand why she is so hatefull to you.  It has NOTHING to do with YOU, Oreo.  It is ALL about what SHE lacks.  Thats the truth of it.  Youre just the easy target for everything she lacks.   

  

  

 
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August 17, 2005, 4:49 am PDT

Mussymel

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So as I said in the last post things have been a bit hectic lately. I'm struggling to keep my head above water at the moment but so far I haven't gone down hill which is good. My sister is in a really bad way. She hasn't given herself any space to grieve or relax or just time to herself since Dad died. For more than 6 months she travelled from England to Ireland every weekend to help look after my dad. This was to spend time with him but also because she didn't want him left alone with our mother for that long because she was treating him badly. Then she started to remember all the crap from home from our childhood and she was finding the mother hard to deal with. So then when Dad died she went back to life, her 3 kids and her husband. She suffers from depression and is also having problems with my oldest sister. Anyway she has gone way downhill and rang me crying and suicidal a couple of times. I've now got her to come over to my next weekend but I'm really worried about her.  

On top of that I told my mother the other day that she is not welcome to stay in my house because of the way she treats my husband and I am terrified of the fallout of that. I kind of chickened out and blamed it all on my hubby and didn't add the bits that I wanted to say but I just couldn't face the fight. When Oreo's mum found out what had happened to her and gave her that reaction it struck a cord in me that I had to repress. My mother found my brother in bed with me and she beat me. I've never told her what happened because I couldn't face the rejection. I think I'm internalising everything again and that is not good because it is all going to burst out soon. I see my therapist next week so hopefully he will have some words of wisdom for me. 

Im so sorry for everything you are going through and have been put through! 

  

Im wondering what youre afraid will burst out of you?   You said you never told her what happened cus you couldnt face the rejection.  But... isnt that what you have done and continue to do?  Seems to me that living with the memories of her beating you is the same as living with the rejection.  Maybe im wrong about that?   

  

 I am so very sorry for all the pain, Mussymel!  I cant help but to think that if anything were to burst out of you, it would be a good thing.  Sometimes there is nothing better then a good old fashioned burst out.  Between holding it all in over the years, and letting it all out, I would think letting it all out is the healthiest thing you could do.  What is it youre worried about happening if you bust out and said everything you would like to?  Or am I not understanding and youre afriad of all the emotions bursting out of you?  Even that is far healthier then holding them all in.  It is very scary.  Sometimes the emotions feel so strong that we dont seem capable of handling them.  Like they will consume us.  If you continue to stuff them down, thats probably what will end up happening.  So I say, have your burst out!  Im up for reading a good rant! 

  

{{{HUGS}}} 

 
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August 17, 2005, 5:15 am PDT

good morning

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 Thanks Bzbluiii.

I see were posting at the same time.  :)  Are we the early birds? tehe 

  

Are you still here?  Will hang out a bit to see if youre up for chatting.  I will have to run in about half an hour or so as im taking my oldest to the orthodontist to get his braces off today.  Betting he will be in a great mood after that!  LOL 

 
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August 18, 2005, 4:51 am PDT

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Dr. Phil people..... I wanted to know.... if ya'll just don't want me to post stuff anymore..... I'm confused. I don't want to upset people on here and I'm starting to feel like I shouldn't say some of the things that I say....

Hmmmm...  Im very curious over what the email said, Oreo.  Wondering if you could give me the short version?  After all, I did try (even if I didnt do such a good job  :P  ) of explaining the one word to you so now maybe you could return the favor?  ;) 

  

As far as what you can or can not say... if its not allowed then the mods will zap it.  I dont think you should worry over upsetting people here.  If they dont wish to read the board they dont have to log on.  I think its sweet you worry over others, though.  :)  I havent seen you combative with anybody so im not understanding what it is you think you shouldnt speak about.   

  

It annoys, frustrates, and upsets me to hear you say you feel you shouldnt speak.  Not with you, but with anybody who has made you feel that particular way.  Even if its the Dr. P people.  (And PLEASE let me know if I have said anything that has upset you!  Im so sorry if I have crossed the line with you and I honest to God want to know if I have so you must tell me, PLEASE!)   For pete sakes how frickin hard it is for CSA victims to speak in the first place?!  Then when they do something happens and they feel they shouldnt anymore?  Highly annoying, frustrating and upsetting for me to hear that about this board! 

  

 If you could fill me in on the letter I sure would appreciate it!  Thanks Oreo! 

 
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August 18, 2005, 5:09 am PDT

im so confused

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Bzbluiii....you don't have to be sorry.... I do appreciate all the advice from everyone... I really do..... Today has just been a long day for me.... my feelings are just all over the place.... I talked to Ryan earlier today... actually I went to his house.... I'm not gonna go into what happened (it's not pretty)... just know that it was pretty bad (he's an @**) and we aren't together anymore.... so yeah... my day pretty much went down hill from there... then I get on the computer and see an email from the Dr. phil people... about my posts.... (which I was afraid my mom probably saw).... so I come on here and see posts about how bad my post was (that's how I took it) and... I don't know... I just was feeling bad... I don't know... Talk to ya later. 

 

Oreo 

 

 

 

And I so hate to be confused!  WAH!   

  

Can you direct me to the post which you took to mean your posts were bad?  This new format makes it difficult for me to try and figure it all out.  Was much easier when the posts went off to the right in response to others and then you knew which ones people were responding to/speaking about.   

  

Well... until we get that whole thing figured out, want to tell you im sorry about Ryan and him being an a**!  Stupid men!  Im glad you broke up with him if he was being mean to you, though.  Good girl on that!  :)   

  

Im sorry you had a bad day, Oreo.  Im sorry about the emails you got and then the board posts which upset you and the possibility of your mother reading the mails and on top of all that (though in reverse order) Ryan being a creep to you.  Would like to hear what happened but do understand if you dont wish to fill me in as you said you didnt really wanna get into it.  But it has me wondering if you dont wanna speak about it cus it "isnt pretty" or if its because you desire privacy on that?  If its because you feel its too much for people I have to tell you that makes me angry.  Again, NOT with you!  Just with you being made to feel that way from emails or posts.  (if thats the reason) 

  

Anyhows... just wanna say im sorry for your bad day yesterday.   

 
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August 18, 2005, 5:41 am PDT

Tammy

Please feel free to post your feelings and thoughts on things regardless of what others may or may not say.   I know alot of people are what I affectionatley refer to as "lurkers".  tehe  Meaning they prefer to read the posts instead of posting often.  I think thats cool and there are prolly more on board then we are aware of. 

  

You do bring up a good point that Oreo may be getting freaked out.  With all she is going through, having to deal with letters being sent, the truth coming out, emails from the board, her guy friend being an a**, her mom possibly catching wind of her private place to speak,  God knows how she must be feeling right now.  It is a good point.   

Thanks for bringing it up!   

  

And Oreo, if we are upsetting you, crossing boundries that make you feel uncomfortable, doing ANYthing at all which is bothering you, please let us  know.  Im so very outspoken that I often take for granted that others are as well.  Thats my fault.  So please please let us know if we have done anything which makes you feel uncomfortable.  Thats not out intention but ya know,  often intentions dont matter much.   

 

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