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November 25, 2006, 7:54 am PST

11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: steiwhleur

I graduated from an upper-middle class high school in 1990.  I thought I had learned what needed to be learned so that I could go on to college.  WRONG!  In college I had to pay for REMEDIAL math classes!!! I was so angry.  But then I looked around at who was in my remedial class and they were all students from North Hills High School!!  I wanted to bill the high school for my remedial classes, but my parents said I should just drop it.  I wish I had sent the high school a bill.  Maybe it would have caused them to take another look at their sub-par cirriculum!!

 

That was all hapening 16 years ago!  I now live in New Mexico and the schools here are horrific.  Graduates can't read, write, do math, spell....nothing!  My niece is in the 9th grade and probably reads on a 4th grade level.  She can't spell correctly if her life depended on it...and it does.  No one wants to hire someone too stupid to spell or add or divide correctly.  And her speaking is just as bad.  She sounds like a dullard.  This will haunt her for the rest of her life.  People will assume she's an idiot, not the kind, sweet, beautiful girl that she has become.

 

New Mexico ranks 43rd out of 50 for our inadequate schooling, yet our govenor refuses to address it.  Yes he's trying to throw money at the problem, but we need to start requiring more from the teachers and principals before we can make such demands on our children.  New Mexico also has a "don't ask" policy about if a child is an illegal or an American citizen.  Therefore our schools are flooded with illegals who only speak Spanish.  This adds to the teachers' burden---the teachers must learn and teach Spanish to "accomodate" these illegals.  No wonder we rank so low!!  New Mexico is like a 3rd world country in many ways.

 

Home schooling sounds like the way to go so long as the parents meet all the required credentials and they are diligent about teaching at home.  Home schooled kids should have some kind of network so that they can be around like-aged kids.  That way they can learn the socialization skills needed out in the real world.

 

For our retirement we are looking to go to the mountains of Montana -- maybe we'll find some smart people like us up there!!

I agree that it really depends on where you go to school that determines the level of schooling you receive. I chose to homeschool my children and have had wonderful results.

 

We do have extensive networks. My children attend their art , pe, and zoo classes through our group. They have parties, field trips, and friends just like regular school. 

 

My children are around kids their own age alot, but that is not what prepares them for the real world. The real world requires you to be able to interact with many different ages & backgrounds. I have not been in a group with only people my age since I graduated school.

 

My sister & brother were homeschooled and they are active and contributing members of society. My brother was pulled out of public school when we realized he couldn't receive the one-on-one teaching that he needed (it wouldn't have been fair to the other students in the class). He was already 2 grades behind at that time. He flourished in home school with the one-on-one teaching that he desperately needed. He graduated on time at (or above) grade level.

 

There can be many advantages to homeschooling, but it is not for everyone. It is the best choice for my children and for me. 

 

 

 
November 25, 2006, 8:14 am PST

11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: canadianteach

There is more to teaching than just "loving your children".  You need to be able to understand the brain development of your child, their learning style, tools to push your child to think beyond a book or a lesson, proper evaluation of what your child has learned, a means to verify that your assessment meets the needs of what society demands, the ability to listen to and evaluate ideas of others, problem-solving techniques that develop because of interactions with people who are not like you, cultural awareness that comes from working and playing for extended periods of time with people from different cultures and backgrounds.

 

You may not like society or agree with its values, but the truth of the matter is that your children will need to participate in this society.  Will they have enough tools, experiences, background knowledge to cope with the difficulties and challenges that they will face if all they know is their family?

I agree that it is way more than just "loving your children". But it was that 'love' that lead me to deeply investigate homeschooling and to spend hour after hour studying on what meets each of my children's learningstyles. My children take standardized testing, not because my state requires it (it doesn't) but because I want to know how my child is doing. And they are doing quite well.

 

My children have interactions beyond what can be gained in a classroom day after day with the same 20 kids.  A few weeks ago they spent time at the Veterans center meeting and speaking to many 70 and 80 year old veterans. They are with me when I shop. They converse and interact with the salespeople (not just stand behind momma).  They are with me during all my 'errands', and they enjoy meeting new people and 'interacting' with them. Among my childrens' friends are African-American, Polish, Mexican, Mexican-American, Cambodian, Chinese, & many others.

 

My children are already participating in this society. They don't need 13 years in a brick building to learn how to 'cope' with life. They are living it right now. 

 

 

 

 

   

 
November 25, 2006, 8:27 am PST

11/24 Great School Debate

Quote From: sneakers145

One student was on a strict curriculum with deadlines, expectations, goals, etc.  She had no trouble doing her school work but never overcame her social inadequacies even after four years.  Yes she was involved in outside activities while being home schooled but that did not take the place of learning how to socially interact on a daily basis.  While this student graduated with a 4.0 average, even her parents said they have a hard time getting her out of her shell and now are concerned how she will fair in college. 

 

I'd counter that this girl was likely an introvert and likely would not have been more outgoing and social even if she attended public school from the get-go.

 

How do I know this?  I'm an introvert and all the time I got notes on my report cards how I needed to be more social, to participate in more activities, and to speak out in class more.  Being an introvert is NORMAL, not abnormal.  Just because introverts are the minority in our society amongst the loud, vocal, partying extroverts doesn't mean that there is something wrong with us.

It saddens me that a teacher (I know many and love them) would base their opinion of a whole group on only a limited sample.

I could  list off hundreds of public school children I know that have problems and I don't assume that all public school is bad.  

 

I wish that public school teachers would realize that homeschooling is an option not a competition. I know many teachers and all are supportive of my choice. They see that my kids are learning and 'socialized'.  No, not all kids do well in homeschool. On the other hand not all kids do well in public school. That is why it is wonderful that we have both. Meeting the needs of our children is the goal. Why can't we work together.

 

I know that my local school cannot hold anymore children. If all the homeschoolers in our area were inrolled it would be a nightmare for the school and our school system. They don't have enough money to build another one at this time.  We are all homeowners and our taxes go to the school system whether we are in it or not. They use my tax dollars to educate other children. Since my kids are learning and doing great at home, why aren't they happy they can use my money for someone who can't learn at home?  

 
November 25, 2006, 8:36 am PST

Homeschooling

Quote From: sgr123

Hi.  I have two children, one is 4 and the other is 18 mos..  I have been giving very serious thought to homeschooling my children.. The town I live in apparently has a large number of homeschooled children.  I know there are networks in town but finding them is a different story.   I was wondering where you found the literature about it.  I tried to find things online but the amount of information is overwhelming.  My 4 year old is supposed to start Kindergarten in '07.  I'm in Indiana so the law does not require children to start until first grade.  I'm very concerned about putting him in school.  He could read his ABC's at 2 on top of knowing 1-10 by sight, knew his colors and shapes.  By the time he was 3 he could read words, now at 4 1/2  he can read whole books with large words like "professional" and such.  He can tell time, he knows tons of other things, too numerous to list.  I'm afraid that putting him in school will only hinder him.  He'll get bored and be disruptive then fall behind.  I need help to find the information before it gets too close to school time.  I also wonder how can you convince others that you are doing what is best for your child.  I'm not getting much support from my family.  I would appreciate any help you or anyone reading this can give me.

Hi. I'm so glad that you want information. The internet is awesome for finding what you need to know. Ebay has many homeschooling books to buy. Also, there are many homeschooling groups on Yahoo.  You can ask questions of other homeschoolers (what they did, etc) There may even be one from your area.

There is probably an actual homeschooling group in your area. Where you can met face to face with others who are doing it right now. Our group has people come all the time who are just seeking more information. 

 

The library may even have some books on homeschooling.

 

Good luck and God bless

 

 

 
November 25, 2006, 8:51 am PST

Homeschooling

Quote From: jsss24

Homeschooling is a novel idea, I guess. Obviously, I am not a big fan of home schooling.  I understand wanting to protect your child, I want my child safe as well but the few kids that I have seen that are home schooled are sort of outcasts.  I know they interact with other kids in other situations and all but they do not have the same social skills as other kids.  I am not trying to put down your choice, I would never want to tell someone what they are doing is wrong, this is just MHO.  My son goes to a very good private catholic school and that is the only way I would have it. Kids need a little separation from their parents and need the enriching experience of school. Remember this is just MY OPINION.

I am thrilled that your child is in a good private school. So are mine. It just happens to be at my home. My children are not outcasts. Both of my daughters have solos in our church Christmas program. My son is 'one of the guys' at baseball. In both of these instances they are the only homeschooled kids. You can't pick them out of the group when they are surrounded by kids who are not homeschooled. My daughter's dance group is made up of both homeschoolers and private school children. They all interact well and you can't tell the difference from any of them.

 

I've know alot of private school children and I would never judge them based on "a few kids".

My father barely made it out of school. He has trouble reading and has had to spend years overcoming his 'schooling'. He attended one of our towns best Catholic schools. I don't judge the school, or have the opinion that private schools are bad. I also know several private school kids who don't mix well with public school children. They  can't really make friends with them very well. They are (if you have to label) outcasts,unless they are with kids from their school. I don't have the opinion that all private school kids are that way.

   

 

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