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September 25, 2006, 10:35 pm PDT

Child Protective Services

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Not only are both of these people, self-absorbed, selfish, lacking integrity/ morals,  they are both verbal abusers. Their children are last on the list to them, and just because someone says that they "love their children to death" is NOT love. "Love" has not caused these two to be moral, self-controlled, and good role-models to these kids. It has not caused them to make sure the children have a loving, caring, safe environment. What they call love is NOT love at all. The children are not some belonging for the pleasure of these two, yet the way they act it seems the children are not even considered. IF the mom loved her children, she would seek help, and if necessary she would end a marriage in a decent, moral way, and "keep her pants up". She is teaching her children to be self-absorbed, no matter who it hurts. And the dad is a verbal abuser. He has created a hostile, scary, un-safe, unloving, disrespectful environment for them. He is teaching his kids to abuse, or to think that being abused is "normal". These children should be removed from this poor excuse for a "family". They deserve so much better. I hope Child Protective Services sees this, and removes these precious children asap.

Listen - this overworked, underpaid organization does not need to be running around taking kids from homes like this.  Sure, its a bad situation.  But they exist to remove children from situations that risk their life.  This crap does scar children and it does suck.  But they are not the solution for bad parenting.  You want the government removing your children because you stink as a parent in someone else's eyes?  Give me a break on the CPS rants - let them concentrate on family situations that involve illegal and truly severe abuse.

 
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October 20, 2006, 8:18 pm PDT

Baffled

I'm baffled by these shows where the men control money the way they do.  I don't blame the guys (even though it is very unattractive to withhold in such a way - definately a turn off) - I just confused as to why any woman would tolerate this.  Early in the week there was a woman who gave her husband her check and complained that he held the money completely.  Are you kidding me?  Switch your direct deposit into your own account - problem solved.  Geez...if you can't figure that out on your own and have a little backbone, maybe you should be treated like a child.

And, if you are a stay at home mom and don't receive compensation then do what the rest of us do...get a job.  In case you can't tell, I'm not a huge believer that you are making some huge sacrifice by not working and creating a perfect home for the children and hubby - blah.  Sounds to me that he doesn't deserve it and you are doing is perpetuating the myth of servitude by showing him/her that men rule cause they have the money.  You want money - go earn it or demand it - pretty simple if you ask me.

So ladies, my advice is this - maybe if you worked in the real world a little more, you'd get a clue about how to use your head in a business-like manner. 

PS...to all those stay at home moms that do understand their worth and demand what is theirs...my hat is off to you - your mama didn't raise no fool.   

 
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October 20, 2006, 8:25 pm PDT

Carlena - you are so not worth it

Your young and you can dig out of this like a big girl.  You aren't worth those big purchases cause you do nothing to earn them. You're not any prettier, smarter, or better than the average woman - so get off your high rockie horse and find a job as a professional shopper for someone who has earned the money to pay for it.  In fact, your self-centered and irresponsible behavior made you look downright ugly today. 

And mom - 30 days notice is too much.  Kick her out of the nest and let her fly on her own.  Somewhere along the way she got the impression she was above the rules - I suspect you contributed to that. 

 
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October 25, 2006, 9:17 pm PDT

JR gave me the creeps

I think dr. p missed some big warning signs here...that JR is creepy.  The daughter's intution should be listened too instead of ignored.  Why would Dr. P totally disregard those flags and basically tell them to butt out?  Even the mother's body language and conflicting messages were disregarded. 

To the mother...you can be in denial all you want - but don't go crying victom anymore - he's a jerk and thats not going to change.

 
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October 26, 2006, 7:28 pm PDT

Something is going on - with both sides

I believe that there is truth on both sides of this deal, but also see a lot of deception and denial.  The sister who puts her children back in the home with Mr. Porno needs help and there should be some sort of response to protect those kids.  But to the sister who is so ruthlessly attacking is up to no good too.  I actually got more creepy vibes from her because of her fanatic methods.  The letter destroying her sister's career is a good example - and frankly - sounds like Borderline behavior.  Overly sexual in nature, accusing everyone within range of abuse, seeking to destroy rather than protect. ... This behavior undermines her crediblity.  If my sister tried to "help" me this way I'd tell her to bugger off and sue her for defamation.  Sounds like one sick family all the way around.

And to the sister who went back to Mr. Porno - shame on you.  You've got kids to protect - that's your job mom.  Step up and walk on.  Take the evidence and get him away from those kids. 

So, I believe there's a fire here cause the smoke is everywhere...but also believe the accusing sister is part of that fire.  Step up and walk away from her too.

 
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October 26, 2006, 7:46 pm PDT

Investigations can be wrong

At 16 I went and gave a detailed account of my father's sexual abuse against me.  They investigated by going to the house, asking if it was true and then leaving when it was denied.  That was it.  My own testimony was truthful and broke my heart to make.  It was the most difficult day of my life as I recounted the details.  I'm 38 now and have little faith in the system.

To the sister who is so determined to destroy these people....I think you are screwing this up pretty badly.  No one believes this because of your ruthlessness.  The opportunities to actually help these children are being lost because you are acting so mental.  Take a step back, take a deep breathe, spend a few months working out your issues and then regroup to put a plan in place that will help everyone here.  You aren't helping this at all by acting so outragiously. 

 
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October 26, 2006, 10:23 pm PDT

Missed my point

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Incest involves cooperation from ALL  in the family. And to all be on the same side. Is this what you are asking of Christie?. If so, what side does she take? Or is she allowed that option? If you have incest in a family, you don't have a family.  If Stacy knew her sister so well, why would she cooperate with Christy and her husband so much in the begginning? And if Stacy knows her husband so well, why would she just get up and run so fast, and then return just as unbiasly back to this man who never showed up today to tell his side of the story?

 

If exposing this incest is destroying then let it be. Since it is a bad thing you are destroying. Incest is bad , family is good. What exactly is it you want Christy to do?. Again, if her accusations are true, getting along is probably not an option. going along with it is all she has. Incest rules are VERY strict, plain and simple.Oh by the way. You are right on one thing. The judicial system protects these people. The system is flawed. .And I had 2 incidents with police as well in reporting incest. No investigating equals no crime. Dont take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.  Blame that one on  the police or child protection . Not Christie.They just ignored me as well. Anyway, Stacie is too mixed up to figure out. She sure knows how to play the victim role though.My bro did the same thing with all his P.C. help, but now he is in prison for rape on a minor.I tried to get along with him on my terms, but it didnt work.

 

My point was this:  her response to the investigation was so distracting and unconstructive that it undermind her credibility.  Her response and influence regarding her sister's job was flat out wrong and destructive.  And her fumble regarding giving the computer to an "expert" tainted the evidence.  Not one thing she did has made those children safer - if indeed they are in danger.  And her actions and words make her appear like a loon rather than a concerned Aunt.  She isn't cooperating with anyone.

There is one reason he didn't show up.  I'm guessing his lawyer recommended he not as it can all be used against him.  And if Dr. P did address it publicly he would and should be held accountable for defamation and slander.   

 
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October 26, 2006, 10:31 pm PDT

Sister #4

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   I'd like to know when the part two to this show will be, and how the lie detecter tests went. I hope the one evil sister is proved wrong and she leaves her sister and family alone!!!!!
And you would be sister #4 who backstabs the others on a public chat board.  Nice family.
 
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October 26, 2006, 10:37 pm PDT

Excellent

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I work with witness testimony all the time.  There are ways you can tell when people are not being honest.  Stacy and her daughter come off basically truthful.  Christy comes off like a woman who is not 100% tracking with reality, and who is so obsessed with her agenda that she does not care who she's hurting.

 

Stacy's story is consistent.  She says she was upset when she found the porn.  Later in the episode, she made clear again that if her husband was hung up on porn, that would be a huge problem for her.  Consistent.  Her daughter, who is a well-spoken young woman, and whose only emotional moments were when she spoke of the pain her AUNT was causing her family, supports Stacy's story.  Again, consistent.  The police report and CPS reports also verify that investigation by PROFESSIONALS yielded nothing to substantiate Christy's claims.  Consistent.  Stacy's demeanor, although she is clearly upset with her sister for deliberately and systematically destroying her family's reputation and hurting her children, is clear and calm and focused.  Consistent.  In fact, her emotions seemed to be focused almost entirely on the pain this was causing her children.  If she was covering up her husband's abuse of the children, that would be inconsistent, because she would not care about their pain - she'd be all about defending her own image and her husband's goodness.   Consistent.

 

Christy's story is, conversely, very INconsistent.  She claims to have emails proving all the things she alleges.  Well, she knew her sister had paperwork from CPS and the cops, so why didn't she BRING whatever evidence she had?  Inconsistent.  She claims to be all about protecting the children, yet when told that she was hurting the kids, she didn't even blink.  If she cared for the children, she would be reassuring them that everything would be all right, that they would be safe, and that their parents would be getting help.  Instead, she admits that she emailed the kids with comments about how their parents would be going to prison.   Inconsistent.   Her vicious threats against the police department and the DA and even the DA's children reveal a person who is out of control, instead of calmly citing all the evidence to support her assertions, she wrote a lengthy diatribe full of threats and demands, trying to manipulate them into doing her will.  INCONSISTENT.  What her behavior her IS consistent with is Stacy's story.  When Christy thought she could control her sister and get her to do things her way, everything was fine, but as soon as Stacy backed off and refused to go along, Christy went out of her way to destroy her, just as Christy threatened to destroy the police and the DA.  Finally, Christy's demeanor was anything but consistent with a concerned relative who is confident of her assertions.  She was wildly emotional, constantly interrupting, and not listening or caring what anyone else had to say.  She showed absolutely no concern about the pain that her neice or sister spoke of feeling. So much for being all about protecting her family.

 

As for the porn on the computer, as others have pointed out, sometimes these creepy sites just plant junk on your computer when you click the wrong link. Also, if the computer was not brand new, it could have come from a previous owner.  If it was repaired in the shop, could be an employee used the computer to visit porn sites while "testing" it.  Or could even be that an employee at the manufacturer abused the machine in that way.  That's assuming there was actually kiddie porn on the computer at all. 

 

As for whether this woman was abused as she claimed, I don't know.  I do know that horsewhipping story seems a little off.  If she meant that her mother used a riding crop on her, that would be possible.  But riding crops are built to make noise, not cut flesh.  Basically, these are switches tipped with a flat, folded piece of leather that pops when it strikes something.  It might sting like a fly swatter, but it would take some real effort to break skin with it.  If she means that the mom used either a BULL whip (Indiana Jones) or BUGGY whip, these would not be effective in a closed and confined area like a bathroom.  The fact that other siblings apparently support her story may give her some credibility.  Certainly they wouldn't back her unless there was SOMETHING wrong between them and their parents.  But the fact that they hope to sell a book sort of makes one wonder how much of this is embroidered. 

 

For those who asked about the polygraph test, it didn't happen today.  Both women said they were willing.  Dr. Phil said he would take them up on that, but he clearly didn't mean that they were going right offstage to have the test done.  It probably hadn't even been set up yet.  He said the two women would have their polygraph tests, and he would report the results at some future time.  I'd be curious about the results, but I'd almost be willing to bet money that Christy will later refuse to take the test. 

 

Meanwhile, the children in this family are being abused by the rumor-mongering.  They have probably lost friends and been humiliated at school. They probably can't invite friends over to their home anymore, and they probably have some friends who can't invite them over either.   Their mom's ability to make money to support the family is being compromised, and their "dear, caring" aunt doesn't even blink when she hears what they're facing.  Obviously, she's not acting out of concern for these kids. 

 

I hope this woman gets some help.  I hope Stacy and her family can start over and be OK.  In a small town, these kinds of rumors can sometimes take a life of their own, and never go away.  They might need to move.

 

That was an excellent analysis and i couldn't agree more.
 
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October 28, 2006, 11:27 pm PDT

what is a pagan?

I've looked it up and can't find any site that defines it the same way.  can someone explain?
 

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