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August 14, 2005, 5:03 am PDT

Legalities

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I would not allow my kids to go their.  I would take the other two and have them live me.  I would tell your X how you feel on this.  And tell him what you are thinking of doing, I don't care if it would wreck your relationship with your X or not. Think of your kids. 

If there is a custody/visitation order in place which places the older two there and allows for the other one to spend time there, violating it could cause her serious legal problems--and could result in a total loss of custody and visitation, putting them into that environment fulltime, with her having  absolutely NO influence at all. I would call the authorities and report what I know, and let them handle it. Taking it into your own hands can only lead to problems. 

  

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August 14, 2005, 5:17 am PDT

Thank you!

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I am also passionate about the debate or lack there of, for the "secondary victim" the parent/s of the child.   

  

I am 47 years old...my life was ruined by CSA...I suffer from depression, social anxiety and PTSD symptoms, and I don't even remember all of my abuse.  I only remember I was 5 and led out to the outhouse by an adult male.  I only see their p**is in front of my face and him saying, "touch it".  The next thing I remember I was in the corner of the back yard watching myself run in my little yellow nighty from the outhouse back into the house.  I don't remember much of my childhood...most memories are outside...I don't have many indoor memories. 

  

Oddly enough, the sexual abuse of my son by my brother devestated me more than my own.  The wall of secrecy and denial was so powerful in my family it took me 17 years to tell my brother I did not want him in my life anymore.  I was gradually ostracized by the rest of the family.  I am totally isolated and alone.  

  

Child Sexual Abuse destroys lives and I am writing this message because when I read the list of upcoming shows there was only one on this topic and it was. "have you been falsly accused of child molestation?".  I and some other parent's of sexually abused children in my online support group wrote to the Dr. Phil show expressing our concern that all sides of this story should get equal time... 

so they changed it to "have you been falsly accused of a crime".  All well and good...we made a difference and prevented a show that would have validated molesters in denial.  But what about the children??????????????  What about the parents who are also traumatized that this has happened to their child.   

  

I so wish my son was ready to talk about this...I would go on the show in a second!  He once mentioned Dr. Phil and asking for help with his marijuana addiction. I said I would write to Doctor Phil and then he quickly changed his mind saying, "No, I don't want to air my dirty laundry in public."  I told him he doesn't have any dirty laundry but he changed the subject.  Maybe someday he will be ready.  This topic needs to be talked about openly without shame and secrecy and stigma. 

As another mother of a sexual abuse victim, I would like to thank you and your group for speaking out!!!   Also, would you mind emailing me information about your support group? I would be interested in being involved in something like that myself.  Thanks!!! 

  

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August 19, 2005, 7:58 am PDT

Teen Dating

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i am a teen, and i agree for the most part. however, this may not be the right thing for all teens. i am only 15 and i have allowed to date, well, since i became interested in dating. i have done fine, my parents trust me, and they have good reason to. Many of us teens are more resopnsible than you'd think, so before just setting the "no dating till your 16" rule, talk to them and know exactly how mature they are, because they may surprise you. Sometimes when you parents don't think we're ready, we really are, and if my parents set a rule like the "16" one, it would make me feel that they dont trust me, so talk to them and have an open mind. <3
In our home, dating is done to find a future mate....no child needs to be looking for a future mate. Since we don't want to encourage marriage before college graduation, we discourage dating for as long as possible. I agree that it doesn't work for everyone, but it does for us.  :)
 
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August 19, 2005, 8:03 am PDT

Teen Dating

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Ok. hypathetically your 12 year old son comes to you and says "mom i wanted to tell you that I have girlfriend" how would you respond to that one? My son will be 13 in a few months to come and he told me just today that he has a girlfriend. I don't know if you read my message on the messgae board but some pointers on raising boys would be helpful to me. I am a young parent and am looking for direction on where to take the conversation with my son. I mean I do have a lot that I do want to share with him, but am looking for some good advice. Advice from a mother with of 4 boys sure would be great thanks.  You could email me too if you would like...

When my children tell me at 12 that they have a girlfriend/boyfirend, it doesn't bother me at all...because what they mean by that is they like that person, that person likes them, and they have admitted it to each other. They don't see each other outside of school, unless they go to our church, and they never see each other in an unsupervised atmosphere. They do NOT go out on dates, in groups or one on one, at 12...it is simply not allowed here, no matter what their friends may be allowed to do. Set rules, and stick to them--although, with him living with his father, you would have to have HIS cooperation as well.  

 
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August 20, 2005, 8:00 pm PDT

Custody order??

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After contacting the child protection agency, they did inform me that is my job to protect my child, at all costs. I called them after my ex's house had been raided by the drug enforcement team in our area. My 12 yr. old also tested positive for THC. It is now my job to keep her clean, or they can blame me.  Beth
Which parent has custody of the children? If Dad has custody, then regardless of what CPS told you, it is HIS responsibility...if you have custody, then it is your responsibility...and I would keep the 12 yr old from his home as long as you know the environment is not one where you want her to be. Get back into court, and let them know what CPS has told you....bring up the THC test results...try for supervised visits or none at all.
 
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August 20, 2005, 8:05 pm PDT

GIve me a break!

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General Advice - You need to beat your kids ass!  Not all the time.  Just when they do something bad or disrespect you.
My children are 19, 15 and 12, and they have never been "beat" or spanked...nor are they disrespectful, or in trouble. Not every child needs to be spanked...there are other, more respectful, less physical, less punitive, less damaging ways to discipline or teach a child the right way.
 
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August 20, 2005, 8:09 pm PDT

The Other Woman

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 Hi. I am in a wonderful live-in relationship with a man and we plan to spend the rest of our lives together. His 18 year old son just left for college in a neighboring state. While we were at the home that my boyfriend's former wife and he shared before their divorce (about 5 years before I came along)  I became very uncomfortable. The former wife was very nice to me but she and my boyfriend (she started the conversation) remininisted about how they raised their son while her boyfriend and I were sitting there. Her boyfriend is divorced and has a child. I've never been married (mid 40s) no children. I finally got up and walked out. Then to top things off, my boyfriend has mentioned to me (as in the last 24 hours, twice now) that I need to deal with my insecurities about his ex because as far as he's concerned, they did nothing wrong. Yes, my feelings got hurt by them reminiscing big time, and that's too bad for her boyfriend and I. The fact that he keeps bringing up that she does know my boyfriend better than I do, well, I have to deal with it. The fact that he told me that she was so understanding about the tear he had in his eye when she saw him and I didn't see it, well to bad for me.  My boyfriend told me that because of all the heck he and his son went through, that he will never get back with her but that I am now expected to spend holidays with her, his son and him and her boyfriend (if her boyfriend is still around since I got the impression that he might dump her.) Any suggestions on how to get through the holidays with the ex now in my life for more than attending weddings, funerals, etc. at the same time as. My boyfriend's son graduated from high school and I pulled that off with grace having to deal with her but both of them are being insensitive to me.  I should add that she has a drinking problem and showed some of her true colors when I wasn't around by telling my boyfriend that she wants more money for their son which she will not be getting. Her child support has run out and my boyfriend will be sending money directly to his son. Otherwise, my life is fantastic. I'm new to all this ex stuff.
To be honest, I agree with your boyfriend. I have two ex-husbands, and I have children with both of them. I no longer have any feelings of love for either of them, but we will ALWAYS be bonded as parents, and we will ALWAYS have moments that cause us to reminisce about those children...graduations, weddings, births of grandchildren, etc. Anyone who intends to share our lives will need to understand and accept that---fortunately, my current DH, ex #1's wife, and ex #2's GF have no problems in that regard.
 
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August 26, 2005, 8:05 am PDT

Teen Dating

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So basically you do not allow your kids to have friends of the opposite sex right? They cannot go out in groups at the age of 12? Or is that only when they've told you they "like each other and have admitted it?  Sounds to me like once they tell you about it, they won't be allowed to see this person, except at school.  Whether you realize it or not, you are creating an atmosphere where your kids have to lie or withhold the truth in order to maintain friendships.  When you are so rigid in your rules, you send a strong message that your kids are not to be trusted.  Don't fool yourself about church.  I witnessed many teens making out under pews, behind doors, etc. as a lot of parents out there think everything's wonderfully safe at church.  Guess where the kids with all the insane rules go to let loose - YOUTH GROUP!!!! And this is also where the troubled kids hang too (ditto for the child molesters but that's a whole other story) Rather than coming up with "the rules" (like no dating till your 16, what a joke), know your kids and talk to them and communicate about life.... as it happens- whether its your magic "16" number or 15 or 14 or 18 years old.  Let your child live and be there to support them along the way.   

Basically, you're wrong about how we do things here. They don't go on group DATES at the age of 12...they can go out with a group of friends, of both sexes, supervised, at any age. If the person they consider their "boyfriend" or "girlfriend" is in that group, fine and dandy...but because of the adult supervision, we can be assured they won't be doing anything they shouldn't be doing. They have never had to lie or withhold the truth about anything in our home. I know my children, I know what they are ready for and when they are ready for it. My son dated at 16, my oldest daughter, who is almost 16, will need to develop more emotional maturity before she is ready to take on a dating relationship. My youngest, who is 12, still has no interest in spending time with boys, and is very shy and quiet, much like I was at her age (I made a CONSCIOUS choice not to date until I was in college.) 

Oh, and I don't know what sort of youth groups you have experience with, but around here they are very fully supervised, with one adult for every five teens....and no one is ever out of the sight of the adults, period. And, since the kids attending are members of the church, and are known to me personally, as are their parents, I don't worry about them being WILD children, or troubled, or child molestors, or whatever else you imagine. 

 
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August 26, 2005, 8:11 am PDT

Teen Dating

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Wow are you ever "in control" . If dating is done to find a future mate, why in the world would you allow your 16 yr old to be looking for a husband? That is scary.  You don't want to encourage marriage before college graduation? You should be supporting (not encouraging) marriage when your son or daughter has found the love of their life, not according to your schedule - after 16 but not before college.  Dating is meant to be a time of discovery - about ourselves, our likes, dislikes, etc. - a time to meet new people.  Whose life is it?  You don't know if its working because you are barely out of the gates, I would love to chat in ten years. Then we can see if its working for you.   

In control?  Having household rules and guidelines for CHILDREN is control?  Nope, it's being the PARENT to my CHILDREN. If they fall in love before they graduate college, and it's REAL love, then they'll still be in love after college, when they'll be able to more adequately support themselves, their spouse and any children they may choose to have, instead of settling for a minimum wage job and giving up their dreams "for love." Dating is meant to be whatever each person believes it should be....you have a worldly view of it, we have a scriptural view of it. Doesn't make one right and one wrong, just means we're different.  :)
 
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August 28, 2005, 5:03 am PDT

Co-Parenting

[b]Is my daughter safe in the care of a mother who doesn't seem to care how our daughter might feel? I'm hurt because i can't speak to her but i'm a grown up man who understands what's happening and can deal with my emotions but she is 3 almost 4 and wouldn't understand at all why she could see her daddy and now cant on web cam and telephone.    

Has anyone got any advice I'm desperate, I have seen lawyers in the past but financially it's so expensive, she is worth the money but getting it as soon as i want it is another thing though!   [/b] 

  

It sounds to me as though your daughter's mother is using the child as a pawn, and is playing horrible mind games with both of you. What you need to do, in my opinion, is get everything set down on paper, through the courts. Set up visitation and child support...stick to your end of things, and force her, through the courts, to stick to hers. Otherwise, you may NEVER have a decent relationship with your daughter. 

  

 

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