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August 2, 2005, 10:25 am PDT

If it were me...

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I got married when I was just barely 18.  It's been 13 years and I'm just not happy at all.  I've felt this way for a couple years.  I just blamed it on depression from turning 30, but it has not gotten any better.  I do have 2 wonderful kids that I would not trade for anything in the world, but my life is not how I thought it would be growing up.  We live paycheck to paycheck and I just found out that my husband is not depositing all his check like he tells me he does.  He is keeping out $100 every two weeks and I have no idea what he is doing with it.  He doesn't know that I know this and I don't know what to say to him. 

 

If I were to leave him it would devastate the kids and I would rather live in misery then see them live that way. 

 

I actually changed my mind about marrying him a couple of days before we married, but he took me on a guilt trip and I did it anyway, which I now resent him for.  We ran off to get married so it wasn't like we had a big wedding planned that we would have had to call off. 

 

Any advice?              

I'd ask him rather than jumping to any conclusions.

 

If he is doing something without your knowledge it MAY be to the entire family's benefit. Then again it may not.  How are you going to know unless you ask?

 

And either way I think that it would be better for the unknown to be KNOWN and then let the chips fall where they may.

 

Also about you and your kids.  Living in misery is NOT living and sacrificing your happiness even for your kids is UNFAIR.  By sacrificing your happiness, you short change not only yourself, but everyone else in the family too.  It will only breed MORE resentment.

 

I suggest that you figure out how to GET HAPPY where you are or leave.

 

I can also tell you that the grass is NOT always greener on the other side of the fence.  Divorce IS devastating and blended family's have problems all there own -- I ought to know -- But kids ARE resilient, they DO adjust and all you can not only survive but you CAN THRIVE after divorce.

 

Your happiness is YOUR responsibility.  If you aren't happy, it DOES take a toll on your relationship and THAT takes a toll on your kids.  Beside if you think you are hiding that from anyone, you are mistaken.  Kids KNOW and I lay money that hubby knows too.  They deserve a happy and complete Mom/Wife/Woman and you deserve that too.

 

I am also a big believer that we CREATE our own happiness and it's YOUR JOB to figure out just how you can do that. 

 

It isn't up to hubby to make you happy.  It's up to you.  Q

 
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August 2, 2005, 10:45 am PDT

Hello again...

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Hi!! again

Thank you for your input. Sometimes you just need some one else to tell you what you maybe already know deep insight.  And you are right, I have to embrace my emotions, stop looking at them as a weakness and try to be in the present, just try to be in the moment. It’s just hard.

As far back as I can remember I always had to ignore my own emotions and always had to keep track and be on the look out with everyone else’s feelings. I had the feeling that if I didn’t the people that I loved would stop loving me and then they wouldn’t have anything to do with me or if I messed up that would be the finale blow that would push them over the edge.

So you are right I have to remember that everything is new and that it’s a journey. I have to allow my self to feel the way I do. That’s the difference between then and now.

 

 

Kristina

 

 

 

I am a pretty firm believer that we hold the keys to our happiness.

 

Sometimes it IS hard to stay in the present.  But practice helps, no?

 

Just because you taught to ignore your emotions when you were younger, does not mean that you should continue doing that now.

 

Personally, I think ignoring your emotions can have some really serious side-effects and can be damaging to who you are.

 

I had to unlearn that for my own well-being too.  If I twisted myself into a pretzel for someone ELSE then I wouldn't be ME.  If I do that too much, I could lose who I am completely and that is unhealthy not only for me but for anyone who has a relationship with me.  If someone else continually tries to turn ME into THEM, who is cheating whom?  Besides if someone puts that many conditions on their love of ME, maybe I should be thinking about how I define love -- cause conditional love HURTS. 

 

I LOVE being ME.  There is no one who can be a better ME than ME anyway!

 

Remember.... you are perfect JUST as you are.  Q

 
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August 2, 2005, 10:55 am PDT

My passion...

Excellent topic!

 

Well, besides being passionate about my hubby, my family and my GARDEN...

 

the things I am most passionate about are stopping abuse and the victimization of others, helping others figure out how to do that for themselves, and making a real difference in their OWN lives and the lives of their children.

 

Separate finances, cell phones, prenups, sexual education and probably even litter come after learning how to treat ourselves and others with dignity and respect.  And I'm not saying that any of those things is any less important -- how we treat the planet we live on is certainly a reflection of how little we can care.

 

My two cents... Q

 
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August 3, 2005, 9:29 am PDT

It never fails...

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I'm feeling lots better now!!!  My younger daughter - S - just got back from the dentist & he was able to pull the teeth part way back to their original position.  Good news - no fractures, the teeth WOULD HAVE been knocked out but the braces stopped that from happening.  Bad news - we need to watch these teeth for the rest of her life - could need root canal on 3 of the teeth someday, the roots could begin to desolve!, or her teeth could turn black & need to be pulled.  BUT these things may never happen.  It's in God's hands now how well her body can heal.  She is young & healthy - the trauma could have been worse. 

 

A has moved out.  I told her that she needed to leave by the end of the day.  She actually went back to the marital house "temporarily".  The soon-to-be-X seems to be on HER side in this.  I guess she has manipulated the situation to her advantage once again!  She is a master at that!  Little G is HOME!!!!!!!  I keep telling myself that it's better for him that he's at his own house.  My house is a nice place to visit but it was never his home.  I got the key to the house back too so there will be no surprise visits. 

 

No charges were filed - not S's style (revenge).  I DID tell A that things could have been SO much worse & that she could have been arrested!  Nothing like a police record for violence to dampen the chances of custody!!!!!!!!!!  She's SO lucky! 

 

A is "angry"!!!!!!!!!!!  Unbelieveable!  SHE is angry!  Just like the father - always placing blame on others!!!  It was S's fault - she was asking for it for months!!!!!!!!!  Sound familiar anyone??!!!

 

Bottom line - she is gone from my home now & S & I have peace once again.  Hard when it's your own child that is becoming the new abuser in the family!!!!!!  INCREDIBALLY HARD!  She makes her own bed - just like her father did!  Hope she heals before she's 57 like her father!  And even HE still doesn't "get it"!!! 

 

I know I did the right thing.  Thanks for all your support!!!  God Bless - LS  >.<

When you set the right boundary and deal with toxic folks in healthy ways, you end up KNOWING you did the right thing.

 

I am not surprised one bit that your eldest is angry -- her sense of self-entitlement is LARGE.

 

Trust that she may learn her lessons -- or not.

 

But the key here is... that YOU'VE learned YOURS.

 

The best thing for manipulative/abusive people is for YOU to set YOUR boundaries and protect them.

 

You did that.  I'm proud of you!  But I know it is not what you want for your child or your grandchild.

 

Q

 
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August 3, 2005, 9:52 am PDT

Hi GAK...

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last night, my son had hockey and my daughter had cheerleading, both at the same time.  They both said to me that they didn't want their dad taking them home.  I called a friend that has a daughter whom cheers and asked her to take and pick up my daughter from cheer so I would take my son to hockey then get my daughter after all the practices at her house.  Everyone was fine with this except................my h!  He phoned me while I was in the car in between dropping my d off and getting my son to practice.  He wanted to know which child to pick up, i said neither it was covered and he hung up on me.  He showed up at the ice rink and was very hostile to me.  He said I had NO RIGHT to do what i did the night before and i also had no right to make arrangements for someone else to pick up his daughter without asking him first!  I said that i did have that right and i am sorry he feels that way and tried to walk away from him.  He kept at me at said he was going to go get his d.  i told him it was not a good idea and he would cause a scene bc she is expecting to go home with friends and doesn't want to go with him.  I called my lawyer and left a message about what transpired and i called my friend to let her know.  My friend told the head cheer and head football coaches about what was up.  They were prepared to call the police bc i signed the forms and i gave permission for my friend to take my d home.  My son came off the ice early bc of an injury so we were able to go to cheer early and get my d.  But h followed and he parked beside me and walked onto the field with me and our son.  he stood by me like i couldn't get 5 feet away from him.  then i brought both kids home and he followed us home.  I AM SCARED OF HIS BULLYING!  I am going to call everyone again today and let them know how bizarre he is.  thanks again for listening to me... oh i called dv yesterday to check in and there is a support group that meets thursday nights.  If I can  find some fiends to take my kids that night and I'll go!!!

First let me say I hope your son wasn't too hurt from practice.  Sending healing wishes his way.

 

You had EVERY RIGHT to PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN from his OUTRAGEOUS OUTBURSTS!

 

EVERY RIGHT!  Do NOT listen to him.  Glad you didn't.

 

There is NOTHING more powerful than a mother protecting her babies.

 

BRAVO on trying to get more support.  I absolutely believe you need MORE support.  Sometimes support groups will have sitters to watch the kids.  So if you get the chance to go, ask about that.

 

He IS a bully -- that's a fact.

 

But remember that deep-down bully's function from a place a FEAR.  While you are afraid of his abuse, he is also afraid of losing his kids and so he is intensifying his aggression to you in line.  The best thing you can do is... do what YOU FEEL is the right thing for your children.

 

Do NOT be afraid to call the police if you get really scared.  Everytime I had to call them, like when my Ex showed up at our house DRUNK and terrorized my sitter -- even though I had an order of protection, they were VERY understanding and helpful.  It might also be a good idea to work out a safety word with friends/family so that they know to call the police for you and/or work out ahead of time for a short term place to stay if you get so scared you can't stay in the home.  If you do that, go ahead and a pack an overnight bag just in case.  Better to have a plan to fall back on than none.

 

I think you have handled this whole situation MARVELOUSLY!  You held firm on your boundaries and removed yourself from the conversation as much as you possibly could-- BRAVO!!!

 

So you know... legally the police could not have kept the kids' Dad from picking up his children.  So the sooner you guys get a visitation agreement the sooner all this mess will ease.  I know you are probably counting the days before this mess gets over with.

 

I don't know how long y'all's cheer/sports practices are but I would not hesitate to ask friends/family to pitch in with picking up your son/daughter until your hearing.  It makes perfect sense to keep the kids away from any scenes hubby may cause.  The worst that can happen is they say No -- odds are that won't happen.

 

I am here to listen ANYTIME -- oh, and before I forget, click on my qqqhhh link and jot down my email addy so you have it.  I generally read email about every other day since we can't read it at work anymore but I DO read it and I WILL respond.

 

Deep breaths, take it a day, hour, minute at a time.  Q

 

 

 
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August 3, 2005, 11:01 am PDT

To Mouser...

Aha… the stress you endured as a youngster by being a high achiever is EXACTLY why this is such an issue for you.  I understand more now. 

 

 

That doesn’t mean hubby is right to place that kind of burden on a 5YO! though.  I do think kids do need high standards but a standard that is TOO high will crush a child’s spirit because he can never achieve it.  So I would ask – is there a balance?

 

 

 

My rules for whether to voice my opinions/feelings and set boundaries regarding my kids are these -  Health, Safety, Emotional well-being.

 

 

If something is happening the jeopardizes the health of my kids, I step in.

 

If something is jeopardizing their safety, I step in.

 

If something is harming their emotional wellbeing, I step in.

 

 

Stepping in may require going through Hell and back too.  Doesn’t matter.  I have to do what I think is the right thing for my kids.

 

 

So, from where I’m sitting, you are doing what any prudent parent would do.  It may very well undermine hubby’s authority, but when what he is doing is damaging, you can’t just sit idly by.

 

 

With that said, I also believe in choosing my battles.  With my Ex it was extremely tough to set boundaries because he had little intention of honoring them.  So when I went to battle over an issue I needed to be prepared to go to war.  Too much war in the household also harmed my kids.  I waited WAY too long to leave – but there were reasons I stayed.  In hindsight I would have stayed gone the FIRST time I left the Ex.

 

 

As far as hubby’s need to be right, I can hear the good ‘ol doc now, “Do you want to be right or do you want to repair this relationship?”

 

 

 

From the sound of it, you are recovering from abuse and you are much further along in your recovery than most first-time posters.  GOOD FOR YOU!!

 

 

But I do want to repeat that you can let go of his negativity and self-pity and not allow him/his mood to drag you down if you want to.  Difficult? Yes.  Impossible?  No.  If I did it, you can.  Hubby can get HAPPY in the same pants he’s mad in.  It’s HIS choice.  That doesn’t mean you have to be unhappy when he is, because he is or because he wants you to be.  He can NOT control you if you don’t let him.  

 

 

 

I might say that hubby’s pouting is not necessarily an attention-getting mindgame, although it sure could be, it’s more likely a mindgame of manipulation.  You are seemingly being punished for asserting YOUR VERY VALID RIGHT to a happy life.  He can TRY to punish you, but you sure don’t have to let him succeed.  And I don’t think you are overall, but you are still having power struggles with your abuser which tells me you either still have some lessons to learn and/or need some more tools to take good care of you.

 

 

So in addition to boundary setting which you appear to have a good handle on, I suggest you practice the most wonderful art of “Letting GO with Love.”  It helped me.

 

 

I LOVE your plans about working from home!  I am VERY PLEASED to read that you have worked on your education!  These things tell me that you do take your happiness seriously.  They tell me that you have embraced that FACT you’re your happiness is YOURS and you are taking REAL steps to improve your situation. You keep doing that in spite of all the “sourness” that gets thrown your way and you WILL succeed! BRAVO!!

 

 

Since you mentioned a merry-go-round, I can say that abuse is a cycle – even verbal/emotional abuse.  There is a tension building phase, an explosion and a honeymoon phase – sometimes all in the course of a few minutes or hours.

 

 

 

 

With that written, know this…  When you stop playing the game, the game stops.

 

 

If you find that you are stuck on the merry-go-round, that also tells me that you are not finished with your recovery. 

 

 

Thing is… Recovery can take a while.  For me, it took 12 years to stop my victimization and sometimes I need a refresher every now and then so my own bad habits of peace-keeping and rescuing don’t get the best of me.  I also had about 6-7 DIFFERENT sources of support when I was at my worst.  Those included: family, friends, 3-4 support groups, and 4 different counselors.  ALL of these things helped.  The SINGLE BEST thing I did to heal was counseling.

 

 

Your recovery is your first priority or should be.  Once you are stronger, you will have the strength and insight to work on relationship repair or decide whether that’s worth it.

 

 

Sounds like you still have work to do; so when you can, go BACK to counseling ALONE.

 

 

Also there is a difference between your recovery and repairing your relationship with hubby.  Your recovery is KEY to YOUR happiness but it may also require that you either redefine/renegotiate your relationship with hubby because he is still, at a minimum, manipulative, controlling and self-entitled or end it all together. Repair requires that you guys meet in the middle and sometimes that is NOT healthy for a victim of abuse.  Also part of the KEY to your relationship’s recovery is figuring out whether you have a partner you can work with.  With my Ex, I eventually figured out that I didn’t, even though everyone else could see it, I had to figure it out for ME.  You will have to figure out whether you have someone who is capable and willing of being a TRUE partner.

 

 

Good news is… you are well on your way and you WILL get the clarity you need to decide what is best for you and your son.

 

 

I do think you need a bit MORE help (support), maybe some MORE tools (i.e. education/counseling), so I’ll dust off my booklist and post it.

 

Q

 
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August 3, 2005, 11:07 am PDT

So sad...

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As of yesterday, August 1, I filed for Divorce. My husband and I have been married for almost three years and together for four years.

For the past year, I feel that my husband has marked me out of his life. We no longer talk, we no longer share anything together. He works six days a week from early to late every day. If I have something I want to talk to him about I have to call him on his cell. Then he tells me he can't remember anything I said because he was busy. (Driving a Truck) I see nothing between us anymore. For the past 7 months I have been fighting to keep us together. We have a 22 month old baby boy that means the world to me. It is hard to listen to him ask for his Daddy when his Daddy is never around. We sometimes try to spend Sundays together, but we always end up in an argument.

At the first of June I left my husband. Me and my child stayed with my mom and dad. Every so often my husband would come to see us. But never once did he ask us to come home. He says "I left on my own then i can come home on my own!" that to me is just so cruel.

Well after being at my mother's for a month and a half. My husband's little boy from previous marriage was coming to visit. I didn't want him to know that we were fighting so I went home to tend the house hold. But nothing had changed. He was still so mean. His words have stuck with me and replay everyday. The harsh words he says about his unhappiness. (I am the reason) I can never forgive him for the way he has treated me. Like I am just a roommate. Like I am the 4th or 5th thing in life. (money #1, Our Son #2, Work #3, and so on.) Where am I? He loves to play mind games with me. It has driven me crazy. He has truly pushed me away. Any advise to help me deal with a divorce is very much appriciated. What comes next?

He does not know yet. I am scared the day he finds out. In the past he told me he would contest the divorce just so he won't get screwed... Please help...

I suggest you let your family in on what's going on, if you haven't already.  I also suggest that you ask them if you can come stay with them if you HAVE to.

 

If you are planning to remain in the home while you divorce, it may be tough but it can be done.

 

If your partner can not include you WITH your son as his #1 priority, then you are better off putting your self as your priority.

 

I suggest you get a plan for the day he DOES find out, because normally when you "file" for divorce, he will get served with those papers and then he WILL know.

 

Better to have a plan NOW and prepare than get surprised and have to scramble.

 

Q

 
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August 3, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

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I am a step mother to 3 grown girls 21, 19 and 16. 21 lives with me, my husband and our 7yo doughter together.  the other live with their mother.  We have been together since the 16yo was 8 and to be honest I am glad they are grown now as it has not been a pleasant expeience at all.  Just last night the 19yo had her father take her to look at cars and I warned him that she would want him to co-sign a loan and of course I was right.  Anyway his credit is not so good and neither is the bio mom's so I was approached to co-sign and I refused and now I am the bad guy.  This child is in college working part time and I am not willing to risk my credit standing on her.  Am I the bad guy?

Whether you choose to take on an additional financial obligation or not, should not make you the bad the guy. 

 

If I were in your shoes, I would weigh my decision on how responsible the child is.  Since you've lived with the girls for at least 8 years you should have a really good idea of how responsible they are.  If they aren't responsible the NO co-signing.

 

And if they need to look upon you as a bad guy, well, so be it.

 

What you might do is suggest ways for the 19yo to build up her credit FIRST and then she wouldn't have to have a co-signer.

 

Q

 
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August 3, 2005, 3:05 pm PDT

I read your story...

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HEY PUPTENT

 

I am still around if you want to chat. I have been extremely stressed had to change lawyers. As my lawyer was scaring me not getting phone calls back and wanting me to take a plea bargain. I decided to get someone with more experience and went through my work too. Anyhow I hope I got a good one this time around. Someone that will at least return my phone calls. That is what I am hoping and stressing about. Anyhow this woman has now moved and so my husband has no contact what so ever. Shouldn't this be against the law or something. Oh I can't wait to have the court stuff over because than will get a lawyer to take care of the custody stuff. I'm not saying we want custody but, my husband should have rights to see his daughter. She just turned 13 years old and the presents we sent was sent back to Old Navy where we got them. And he hasn't heard from her or anything. I know she secretly called her Dad a few weeks ago. So maybe she is waiting for Mom to go to the store or something again. Well I had better go its bedtime...love carlie

So the gist of your story is you and your step-daughter had words -- abusive ones back and forth -- but you both made up.  Wasn't right but it ended up with forgiveness or so you thought.

 

And then the Bio-Mom got wind of it and she and another relative beat you up?

 

Is the right?  And this isn't the first time it happened?

 

Wow what a terribly dysfunctional family you married into.

 

Since you went to the hospital, you have pictures and witnesses to the outcome of the physical abuse, right?

 

And they were arrested for assault and battery?  Now you are waiting for court?

 

I am flabbergasted by the audacity of your step-daughter's mother.  I feel so sorry not only for you for having to deal with someone so out of control, but I even feel MORE sorry for your step-daughter who has gotten caught in the middle.

 

So sad...

 

I'm glad you got another lawyer, and I think any kind of plea-bargain for a SECOND round of battery is insane.

 

You hang in there.  Q

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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August 4, 2005, 7:41 am PDT

Hi DeHolland!!

I hope you are continuing your work on your recovery!

 

I hate to hear that you can't post -- what a pain!  Sometimes I do wonder if computers take away more enjoyment than they give.

 

Hope to hear from you soon!

 

Miss you!  Q

 

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