Messages By: Patykayks

I cannot believe the mother let her daughter talk to this person while she was under age.  This is a perfect example of how teens are not monitored on their computers as well as cell phones.  Then, the mom enables her by letting her keep a cell phone and computer so Katherine could continue to speak with Abdullah for two more years!  I fault the mom and she surely should have showed more backbone.  The daughter ran all over her and apparently did not respect her mother enough that Katherine did exactly as Katherine pleased.

The mom is largely to blame here for allowing her daughter to carry on as she did.  Allowing Katherine to act as an adult when clearly she was immature.  You simply cannot allow "children" to conduct themselves as adults.  I can only compare this to Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne who let their under age children Jack and Kelly go out to bars and do some things that only adults should have done.  As a result, they both ended up in rehab.  While I am sure they loved their children dearly, they had too much freedom.  You cannot do this with children.  There has to be boundaries.

Katherine was too immature to have been allowed this relationship with Abdullah.  The mother should have stopped this when it first began.  No child of mine would have been given a cell phone where she could have spoken with a man in a foreign country placing them at risk, nor would the computer use have continued...unless closely monitored.  Poor parenting here.

This kid knows EXACTLY what he is doing and EXACTLY what he can get away with...which is a lot!  He is quite calculating and manipulating I must say.  I would not have allowed him to hit me.  This is saying she accepted what he did and there was no consequence for his actions. 

I am 50.  I can recall when I was young my mother punished me with a belt.  It took only one time for me to know that I did not want that again.  Too, I respected her words to know that I needed to do what I was told.  I did.  Life was good for me cause she did not have problems with me. 

There is a difference between discipline and child abuse.  I think you can discipline physically and it not be abusive.  That is my opinion.  But to let a child get away with slapping his mother in the face is wrong too.

When children get to the point as that of Noah, they will SAY AND DO anything to look right.  He is a liar.  So you put the law into a child's hands who is capable to such lies and then you have innocent parents being reported to CPS, and it was nothing but lies.  This was the very case on Desperate Housewives this week. 

Again, this is where there is a huge diference between discipline and abuse.  Sadly, all of this has been neatly placed into ONE catagory that makes life frightening for parents who are not abusive.

I was left troubled by ALL of the parties on the show.  The timing of all of this bothered me.  I guess thye all had to go on to maybe affect the outcome of the presdent trial..I do not know.

I know the Goldman's suffered a tragic loss, but Mr. Goldman to this very day has venom in his eyes.  They just so not have any peace in their life.  Usually anyone will tell you that people whom carry such hate and anger actually have their lives destroyed as a result.  They cannot have Ron back.

Denise Brown is very upset with them for publsihing the book.  I personally feel it is blood money.  All they kept referring to was "where are the assets" so they can get them.  This blood money is going to make things better?  NO!  Are the Goldman's getting any incoem from Ron's foundation?  This was not mentioned.  If so, then they are just out for the money.

The former agent of OJ's I found to be not creditble at all.  The deceiving remarks of the proceeds leaves me to question his "moral conscience".  If he is so guilt ridden, why is he lying about the proceeds?

If the Goldman's pursue criminal and civil action against the agent, then I will be convinced this Is all about money.

I am not defending OJ but I was not convinced he murdered.  There is too much evidence theories that LAPD was involved directly.  Mark Fuhrman was found guilty and convicted after the trial for perjury.  So the LAPD was credible?  I do not beleiee so.

There are several theories that police were at Nicole's house lookingfor Faye Resnick.  Nicole got into it with them and one of the officers who was known to carry a large blad knife at all times was actually the one who killed her.  Ron came up and was killed in the same manner.  OJ is severly crippled.  There is no way he could have killed them both.  This was more than one person involved.  Just because someone has a history of abuse does not make them a murderer.

I again feel this was a coverup by LAPD.  Mark Fuhrman made those infamous tapes and was a known racist.  He is too the ONLY one that found the gloves at Rockingham later and the extra blood that was somehow missed initially...weeks later.  Why was there blood MISSING from the amount initially in the crime lab?  Later there was additional blood found at Rockingham after the initial investigation...later.  Missing blood from crime lab...then blood found LATER at Rockingham??  This indeed screams coverup!!!

If anyone cares to see another side of this story please look into the book: 

Legacy of Deception: An Investigation of Mark Fuhrman and Racism in the L.A.P.D. (Paperback)

Here is a comment found on Amazon regarding the book:

This was one of the first books published about the crime. When the synopsis was turned over to the LAPD his cover was blown and he could not continue his investigation. His source was well informed, the results from the trial showed this.

The following may provide a short review of the case.

The testimony of the two witnesses who cannot lie says that O.J. Simpson is not guilty of the murders. The autopsy of Nicole Brown found blood and flesh under her fingernails; the blood type did not match O.J. Simpson (or Ron Goldman or Nicole Brown). Ron Goldman worked out and practiced karate a couple of times a week, he played tennis, and walked to work. At 25 he was in prime physical shape; his hands showed bruises from punching someone in the face and head more than once. O.J. Simpson had no scratches or bruises on his face or hands or body after the murders; he could not have been a lone murderer.

The newspapers reported that when the victims were found after 12:15 AM their red blood was trickling down the sidewalk. The color photographs printed in the National Enquirer showed the bodies covered in red blood. This means they were freshly killed, around 11:30 PM, because their blood would be black and clotted if dead for over an hour (as in the Borden murders). Since the limousine driver picked up O.J. Simpson at 11 PM he could not have been present at the murders. This proves him innocent of murder.

The O.J. Simpson case received more publicity absolutely and relatively than the impeachment of the President, or even the Oklahoma City bombing. The National Association of Editors and Publishers has never explained why. You could ask the rumor mongers on talk radio why they were told to publicize and prejudge this case before the facts came out at the trial, and why some continue to ignore these facts. I think this is more than the gossip of idle tongues. This case could become a textbook example in the use of propaganda by the news media.

The book "Killing Time" by D. Freed and R. Briggs, which covers this case, also tells about the "Black Dahlia" crime which was never solved even after the murderer confessed! Will the Brown-Goldman murders forever remain an unsolved mystery?

Logically and legally a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. If not found guilty, the accused is innocent. People do not always understand or accept this in all cases. But a jury is always told to wait until all the testimony is given before deciding on a verdict. Many people will form an opinion when they hear the first news, and ignore newer facts.

Additional comments:

In the 1980s the Denver journalist Stephen Singular investigated the assassination of a radio talk show host by Nazi sympathizers. His book became the basis for the movie "Talk Radio".

In August 1994 he received a phone call from an unnamed source in Los angeles, who advised him to investigate the case against OJ Simpson: "the Nazis are inside the system"; "all the blood evidence is suspect". Given these clues, he began his search. He called at Johnnie Cochran's law firm, and met a lawyer. He was viewed suspiciously: "how do we know you're not a nut case, or a plant by the DA to waste our time?" he was asked. His credentials as a journalist answered the first question. His advice checked out: "the blood sample will contain EDTA, but it must be carefully tested to avoid destroying it:.

As an independent journalist, he prepared a confidential synopsis of his proposed book to interest a publisher. The publisher turned over a copy to the LAPD, which prevented him from continuing his work. This book tells the story of his research.

I never felt OJ was guilty.  I was not convinced of as how the prosecution PRESENTED the case.  Should the Goldman's receive the artifacts that belong to OJ which the formner agent is keeping...what will they have?  I hope that somehow the truth is revealed and the REAL killers caught.  Then can the Goldman's ever forgive?

I pray for the truth.  Dr. Phil, I wish you had the author of this book Legacy of Deception: An Investigation of Mark Fuhrman and Racism in the L.A.P.D.) on your show to explain his findings and give it from both sides.  Maybe if there is a coverup, then killers would be exposed and these people can rest in peace.

I was left troubled by ALL of the parties on the show.  The timing of all of this bothered me.  I guess they all had to go on to maybe affect the outcome of the presdent trial..I do not know.

I know the Goldman's suffered a tragic loss, but Mr. Goldman to this very day has venom in his eyes.  They just do not have any peace in their life.  Usually anyone will tell you that people whom carry such hate and anger actually have their lives destroyed as a result.  They cannot have Ron back.

Denise Brown is very upset with them for publsihing the book.  I personally feel it is blood money.  All they kept referring to was "where are the assets" so they can get them.  This blood money is going to make things better?  NO!  Are the Goldman's getting any income from Ron's foundation?  This was not mentioned.  If so, then they are just out for the money.

The former agent of OJ's I found to be not creditble at all.  The deceiving remarks of the proceeds leaves me to question his "moral conscience".  If he is so guilt ridden, why is he lying about the proceeds?

If the Goldman's pursue criminal and civil action against the agent, then I will be convinced this Is all about money.

I am not defending OJ but I was not convinced he murdered.  There is too much evidence that LAPD was involved directly.  Mark Fuhrman was found guilty and convicted after the trial for perjury.  So the LAPD was credible?  I do not believe so.

There are several theories that police were at Nicole's house looking for Faye Resnick.  Nicole got into it with them and one of the officers who was known to carry a large blade knife at all times was actually the one who killed her.  Ron came up and was killed in the same manner.  OJ is severly crippled.  There is no way he could have killed them both.  This was more than one person involved.  Just because someone has a history of abuse does not make them a murderer.

I again feel this was a coverup by LAPD.  Mark Fuhrman made those infamous tapes and was a known racist.  He is too the ONLY one that found the gloves at Rockingham later and the extra blood that was somehow missed initially...weeks later.  Why was there blood MISSING from the amount initially in the crime lab?  Later there was additional blood found at Rockingham after the initial investigation...later.  Missing blood from crime lab...then blood found LATER at Rockingham??  This indeed screams coverup!!!

If anyone cares to see another side of this story please look into the book: 

Legacy of Deception: An Investigation of Mark Fuhrman and Racism in the L.A.P.D. (Paperback)

Here is a comment found on Amazon regarding the book:

This was one of the first books published about the crime. When the synopsis was turned over to the LAPD his cover was blown and he could not continue his investigation. His source was well informed, the results from the trial showed this.

The following may provide a short review of the case.

The testimony of the two witnesses who cannot lie says that O.J. Simpson is not guilty of the murders. The autopsy of Nicole Brown found blood and flesh under her fingernails; the blood type did not match O.J. Simpson (or Ron Goldman or Nicole Brown). Ron Goldman worked out and practiced karate a couple of times a week, he played tennis, and walked to work. At 25 he was in prime physical shape; his hands showed bruises from punching someone in the face and head more than once. O.J. Simpson had no scratches or bruises on his face or hands or body after the murders; he could not have been a lone murderer.

The newspapers reported that when the victims were found after 12:15 AM their red blood was trickling down the sidewalk. The color photographs printed in the National Enquirer showed the bodies covered in red blood. This means they were freshly killed, around 11:30 PM, because their blood would be black and clotted if dead for over an hour (as in the Borden murders). Since the limousine driver picked up O.J. Simpson at 11 PM he could not have been present at the murders. This proves him innocent of murder.

The O.J. Simpson case received more publicity absolutely and relatively than the impeachment of the President, or even the Oklahoma City bombing. The National Association of Editors and Publishers has never explained why. You could ask the rumor mongers on talk radio why they were told to publicize and prejudge this case before the facts came out at the trial, and why some continue to ignore these facts. I think this is more than the gossip of idle tongues. This case could become a textbook example in the use of propaganda by the news media.

The book "Killing Time" by D. Freed and R. Briggs, which covers this case, also tells about the "Black Dahlia" crime which was never solved even after the murderer confessed! Will the Brown-Goldman murders forever remain an unsolved mystery?

Logically and legally a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. If not found guilty, the accused is innocent. People do not always understand or accept this in all cases. But a jury is always told to wait until all the testimony is given before deciding on a verdict. Many people will form an opinion when they hear the first news, and ignore newer facts.

Additional comments:

In the 1980s the Denver journalist Stephen Singular investigated the assassination of a radio talk show host by Nazi sympathizers. His book became the basis for the movie "Talk Radio".

In August 1994 he received a phone call from an unnamed source in Los angeles, who advised him to investigate the case against OJ Simpson: "the Nazis are inside the system"; "all the blood evidence is suspect". Given these clues, he began his search. He called at Johnnie Cochran's law firm, and met a lawyer. He was viewed suspiciously: "how do we know you're not a nut case, or a plant by the DA to waste our time?" he was asked. His credentials as a journalist answered the first question. His advice checked out: "the blood sample will contain EDTA, but it must be carefully tested to avoid destroying it:.

As an independent journalist, he prepared a confidential synopsis of his proposed book to interest a publisher. The publisher turned over a copy to the LAPD, which prevented him from continuing his work. This book tells the story of his research.

I never felt OJ was guilty.  I was not convinced of as how the prosecution PRESENTED the case.  Should the Goldman's receive the artifacts that belong to OJ which the formner agent is keeping...what will they have?  I hope that somehow the truth is revealed and the REAL killers caught.  Then can the Goldman's ever forgive?

I pray for the truth.  Dr. Phil, I wish you had the author of this book Legacy of Deception: An Investigation of Mark Fuhrman and Racism in the L.A.P.D.) on your show to explain his findings and give it from both sides.  Maybe if there is a coverup, then killers would be exposed and these people can rest in peace

If anyone cares to see another side of this story please look into the book: 

Legacy of Deception: An Investigation of Mark Fuhrman and Racism in the L.A.P.D. (Paperback)

There is a LAPD coverup in this case.  The jury could not convict OJ because there was reasonable doubt.  This had nothing to do with riots.  People hear what they want but do not listen!  Many of you are like the Goldman's who want to keep hate in their hearts...

Fred Goldman still has the same hate in his eyes as he did 14 years ago.  I kept hearing on the show from them about the location of the "assets".  Blood money.  Even if you still take everything that is in storage from OJ, he will still get his pension.  So how can they take everything from him?  They cannot.  They are poisioned with hate.  The worst I have seen.  How can a caring doctor feed the hate and encourage them to pursue OJ for rest of their lives?  This hate is consuming and destroying them.

I know people will be like the Goldman's and think OJ is guilty no matter what.  Missing blood from the crime lab, Mark Fuhrman lying and so many other things and you will see why there was reasonable doubt.

Please go to this link and you will see that others were murdered that worked at Mezzaluna where Ron was employed:

OJ Simpson - Life Story, Murder Trial, Football Career, Acting, Police Chase.

I truly believe that with the tampering of evidence, missing blood from the crime lab and too the other MURDERS of people employed  at Mezzaluna where Ron worked, OJ did not kill Ron and Nicole.

There were other people that worked at Mezzaluna who were killed.  There also was strong mob ties and drug dealings involved here.  Faye Resnick was staying at Nicole's during this time.  People want to solely believe OJ is guilty, believe me there is a HUGE coverup in this case and the people involved.

Before you keep hate inside and believing that OJ is a murderer...go  and do some research and you will see there is no way he could have killed Ron and Nicole.  The Goldman's are wrong here and so many of you are too that believe OJ is guilty.

OJ Simpson - Life Story, Murder Trial, Football Career, Acting, Police Chase.

People do some extensive research on Mezzaluna and all of the people who were killed that worked there or had associations with Resnick as well.  Look at Mark Fuhrman who was called to the crime scene BEFORE the coroner.  Look at how HE was the only one out of all the police involved that just so happens to find the gloves.  Look at how blood taken from OJ upon arrest was later MISSING.  Coverup!

This will NEVER be solved until the FBI gets involved and does an investigation on the LAPD.

I found some links that today states Nicole was on the phone with her mother at 11PM the night of the murder.  OJ was on a plane at that time and too it shows the murders took place after 11PM and not after 937PM as presented in court.  Too, there is info that Ron's records were sealed cause he was listed as an informant for police.

If so, and with all of the other murders of staff at Mezzaluna (where Ron was working) and one attempted murder of another employee, this may have been very well mob related.  There is information that showed Mezzaluna was known for drug dealings/mob ties.  Maybe Ron's cover was blown.  If you do some extensive research on this you will see there is no way OJ committed these murders.

The phone records for Nicole were suppressed as eveidence in the murder trial.  Coverup?  You bet!  I am so disappointed at people who do not research issues fully and solely go by snip-its of information to arrive at a conclusion.  OJ was found NOT GUILTY not because of the jury fearing a riot or because the jury  was full of idiots...they could not convict him because of the LACK of evidence against him.  Years ago Fred Goldman was on TV stating how "morally despicable" it was for OJ to write the book in mention, now he had it printed and so it becomes ok?  Not morally despicable anymore?  I am truly troubled at the amount of hate to this day and the wantingness to pursue OJ for the rest of his life.  I think about people like N.Y. Governor Eliot Spitzer who used to be so hell bent to prosecute sex rings, etc., yet he was directly involved in the very activity he "professed" his disgust for.  I just have to question the motive here and the hate for OJ.  There was no evidence he committed the murders.  There is more evidence of LAPD tampering and perjury than was against OJ in the murders.  What does that say?  COVERUP.

Here are some links I found interesting:

YouTube - O.J. Simpson: Ron Goldman, was he a protected snitch?

YouTube - O.J. Simpson: Serpents Rising-Hidden Phone Records!

Mark Fuhrman's 10/2/96 Plea Agreement To Felony Perjury At OJ Simpson's Crimin

Intellibits: Michael Nigg murder case:

Here is additional information that gives insight to the murder of Brett Cantor.  Again, this is one of several murders to people associated with Mezzaluna and Ron Goldman.

Brett Cantor Murder

Finally, as far as evidence is concerned.  The blood samples found AFTER OJ was arrested and the blood found LATER that LAPD and prosecutors stated belonged to OJ had EDTA...a preservative in it.  So this means the blood was planted at the crime scene and after OJ gave the sample upon arrest.  Remember...there was blood MISSING from the crime lab which never could be accounted for.

Brett Cantor was killed in the very same manner as Ron and Nicole.  Coincidence?  No!

I am disappointed that the Goldman's still to this day have so much hate for OJ. 

Hate has poisoned them for 14 years.  I am troubled that Fred Goldman stated the book mentioned was "morally despicable" but now he publishes it and it is...ok.  Repeated mentions of OJ's assets over and over again show nothing but greed to me.  Does he and Kim get an income from Ron's foundation?  That would be interesting to know.  Any money gained is blood money...ill-gotten gains.  The Bible talks about reaping what you sow.

First of all, according to others Ron had a thick criminal record, worked at Mezzaluna and had friends working there as well..some of who were killed.  One was killed in the same manner as Ron and Nicole.

Anyway, Nicole as I wrote earlier was on the phone after 11PM the night of the murder with her mother.  OJ was on a plane, so he could not have killed them.  But so many people here and the Goldman's cannot take the blinders off and see another possibilities.  Too, the blood found WEEKS later by MARK FUHRMAN had EDTA a preservative.  Therefore, the blood was planted after OJ gave his sample upon arrest.  There was also DNA found under Nicole's fingernails that did not match OJ.

I followed this case dailty and have done quite a bit of research and there are deep tenacles here.  I beleive there is a high level of corruption within LAPD.  There are so many cases against a corrupt LAPD it is staggering.  Mark Fuhrman alone with the perjury and the Laura McKinney tapes and his history of racism, plus possible planting of false evidence shows coverup.

Here are the links below.  I hope people will take tim to read them and see OJ was not the murderer of Ron and Nicole.

 YouTube - O.J. Simpson: Ron Goldman, was he a protected snitch?

 oj fred celini interview

Book to read:

Legacy of Deception: An Investigation of Mark Fuhrman and Racism in the L.A.P.D. (Paperback)

Here are comments found on Amazon regarding the book:

This was one of the first books published about the crime. When the synopsis was turned over to the LAPD his cover was blown and he could not continue his investigation. His source was well informed, the results from the trial showed this.

The following may provide a short review of the case.

The testimony of the two witnesses who cannot lie says that O.J. Simpson is not guilty of the murders. The autopsy of Nicole Brown found blood and flesh under her fingernails; the blood type did not match O.J. Simpson (or Ron Goldman or Nicole Brown). Ron Goldman worked out and practiced karate a couple of times a week, he played tennis, and walked to work. At 25 he was in prime physical shape; his hands showed bruises from punching someone in the face and head more than once. O.J. Simpson had no scratches or bruises on his face or hands or body after the murders; he could not have been a lone murderer.

The newspapers reported that when the victims were found after 12:15 AM their red blood was trickling down the sidewalk. The color photographs printed in the National Enquirer showed the bodies covered in red blood. This means they were freshly killed, around 11:30 PM, because their blood would be black and clotted if dead for over an hour (as in the Borden murders). Since the limousine driver picked up O.J. Simpson at 11 PM he could not have been present at the murders. This proves him innocent of murder.

The O.J. Simpson case received more publicity absolutely and relatively than the impeachment of the President, or even the Oklahoma City bombing. The National Association of Editors and Publishers has never explained why. You could ask the rumor mongers on talk radio why they were told to publicize and prejudge this case before the facts came out at the trial, and why some continue to ignore these facts. I think this is more than the gossip of idle tongues. This case could become a textbook example in the use of propaganda by the news media.

The book "Killing Time" by D. Freed and R. Briggs, which covers this case, also tells about the "Black Dahlia" crime which was never solved even after the murderer confessed! Will the Brown-Goldman murders forever remain an unsolved mystery?

Logically and legally a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. If not found guilty, the accused is innocent. People do not always understand or accept this in all cases. But a jury is always told to wait until all the testimony is given before deciding on a verdict. Many people will form an opinion when they hear the first news, and ignore newer facts.

Additional comments:

In the 1980s the Denver journalist Stephen Singular investigated the assassination of a radio talk show host by Nazi sympathizers. His book became the basis for the movie "Talk Radio".

In August 1994 he received a phone call from an unnamed source in Los angeles, who advised him to investigate the case against OJ Simpson: "the Nazis are inside the system"; "all the blood evidence is suspect". Given these clues, he began his search. He called at Johnnie Cochran's law firm, and met a lawyer. He was viewed suspiciously: "how do we know you're not a nut case, or a plant by the DA to waste our time?" he was asked. His credentials as a journalist answered the first question. His advice checked out: "the blood sample will contain EDTA, but it must be carefully tested to avoid destroying it:.

As an independent journalist, he prepared a confidential synopsis of his proposed book to interest a publisher. The publisher turned over a copy to the LAPD, which prevented him from continuing his work. This book tells the story of his research