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October 31, 2005, 2:38 am PST

My baby has PWS, too

 Hello Dr. Phil:

I am very worried about Thursdays show.  I saw a preview for it last week and it appears that Michelle is an abusive mom who happens to have a child with PWS.  My son with PWS is 21 months old and I have met or conversed with hundreds of PWS moms over the last two years.  They are all soo very loving and dedicated to their children, they have found ways to cope with PWS without abusing their child at all.  They have also been kind enough to share their stories with new moms like me so that my son can have a brighter future with less problems.

I hope to God that you found some of these moms and not just the abusive one, from the 10 second clip it appeared that your segment on PWS is about child abuse and NOT about PWS at all.

Please, please, please do all that you can to help Michelle, BUT don't confuse her with the typical PWS family! 

Thank you.

Joyce
 
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October 31, 2005, 10:25 am PST

PWS

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I have a friend with a child with PWS, or so they say.  She is 13 and weighs about 300 pounds.  She really doesn't act obsessed with food, until it comes to meal times....her Mom has custody of her and appears to feed her whatever she wants.  She is diabetic, and appears to be very un healthy.  My friend, her DAd, is afraid of his ex wife, so he does nothing to help the child either, but is getting concerned, as his daughter can barely fit in the car! She is almost too big for the seat belt.  As a friend I'm not sure what to do, because in my opinion her Mom is abusing her by not taking care of her, but how can one prove it? When she is with her Dad, she eats what he tells her to eat, which are healthy usually non fat foods, or foods with no sugar...so her obsession's seem to be more of her Mom's, if that makes sense.  There has got to be more people with this disorder, don't doctors know about it?  and where do these kids go once they're adults?  This girl is badly retarded, yet no one will do anything for her.  They keep pretending she will one day be okay. They even let her trick or treat, which I thought was horribly abusive to her.  But am I too concerned? at the rate she is going, she'll probably die before she's 20...is this common? Is it a hopeless disease?  I am thinking of ending the friendship, because I cant take watching her grow up like this.  Is there anything I can do?  Thank you

Hello: 

  

It does sound like your friend's child may have PWS.  Unfortunately, many, many doctors have never heard of it and it goes undiagnosed constantly.  It is a shame because there are some treatments now that have proven effective to help with body composition, energy, growth and metabolism that is life-altering for the better!!! 

  

Please have your friend watch the Dr. Phil show.  Also, if he wants, he can take her to a geneticist and ask for a methylation test that will identify all three types of PWS.  She CAN live longer and healthier, although it is still a heartbreaking disorder, it doesn't HAVE to be deadly. 

  

Thanks for writing. 

  

Sincerely, 

  

Joyce 

 
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November 1, 2005, 1:25 am PST

My baby has PWS, too

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Joyce, thanks for your reply.  She was diagnosed PWS back when she was two.  Her mother wouldn't allow any treatment.  As I said now she is diabetic, with uncontrollable sugar.  Only when she's with her Dad does it seem to be controlled.  We watch what we allow her to eat, and she does satisfactory with that.  We've never locked food up, and she's never attempted to steal it...I think her Mom does though.  Her Mom has the control, and will not allow treatments other then the insulin.  She also seems to make the child sicker then she really is by taking her to the doctor, ER or Medcenter almost weekly.  The girl cannot even toilet herself properly, she needs help.  She is in a special education program which seems to be helping with social skills, but Mom is trying to get her out of it.  Seems the Mom has control and wants the child to forever be dependent, or almost as if she can't wait for her to die.  As I said, I have a hard time even knowing about the situation.....it has got to be hard.  My heart goes out to you as a caring mother of such a child.   

 Hello:

Thanks for writing.  I feel very Blessed to have Daniel, he is the sweetest little person in the world and I know that he is meant to be here and I am meant to be his mom.

You should know that there are several people that have been diagnosed with PWS that have graduated from college, not all are like your friend's daughter.  In fact, ALL of the kids that I have met to date are nothing like you describe.

My heart goes out to her because she needs intervention, she needs daily shots of Growth Hormone, she needs special care and it sounds like she isn't getting any of it.   Please tell your friend that there is a PWS clinic at Mercy Hospital in Pittsburgh, they specialize in cases like hers and they CAN get the weight off and begin treatments to increase her quality of life and lifespan.

I will pray for your friend and his daughter.  Thanks again for writing.
 
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November 2, 2005, 12:02 pm PST

My baby has PWS, too

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What?! how on earth did I bring PWS to light in a negative manner?! IT IS WHAT IT IS LADY! I told it like it is, im sorry if you cant handle it....I went on Dr. Phil and told the truth. I went on that show because that is what my daughter has, and because the producers called me to do so. My kids are spoiled because others spoil them as well and I do once and awhile...so what. I admit I have ALOT to learn about PWS. ALOT. That may be part of my issue. And Im working on it. Youll see what you see on TV, but you have NO clue what my life is like on a daily basis. So have pity or whatever it is you say you have on me.....whatever. It seems to me like you are more concerned with HOW I MADE PWS look on National TV. I will also be watching the show on pins and needles. Have a nice day.
 Nichelle:

I am sorry if my words upset you.  You need to understand that just because you feel that your situation is "the way PWS IS" does not make it so.  Your situation is tough, no question, but the way you have chosen as the adult to deal with it is abusive and wrong.  All I am saying is that there are many, many PWS families out there that deal with the situation without abusing their child.  It is NOT easy for them either, single or not and many of them are. 

The only reason we are concerned is because your kids need you to be the grownup and handle the situations responsibly and our children with PWS do NOT need PWS to be portrayed by a family that is totally out of control when we spend every waking minute trying to handle our indidividual situations with maturity and control.

I am sorry, but you are NOT the right person to portray the "typical" PWS family at this time.  I do think that you can be and hopefully with Dr. PHil's help you to be an in control adult when dealing with your own situation.

As one PWS mom to another, I applaud you for getting help and wish you the BEST of LUCK with learning to control your temper and anger. 

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November 2, 2005, 12:05 pm PST

11/03 Extreme Food Obsessions

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When I saw that Prader-Willi Syndrome would be the topic for Dr. Phil’s show I was surprised. The syndrome is rarely mentioned except in extreme cases.  I wish the whole hour could be devoted to Prader-Willi.  I trust that there will be resources and links to offer support after the show airs on Thursday.   

  

My nephew Scott was diagnosed with PWS in 1975. Only 20 years since it had been discovered, Scott’s disorder was somewhat rare when he was born. He was a failure-to-thrive baby and had poor muscle tone. Doctors thought he had cerebral palsy and would never walk. He walked when he was almost 3 years old. His speech was affected because of poor muscle control. Scott was always patient with us when we had difficulty understanding him. Scott started gaining weight when he was 6 or 7. My sister and her husband were faced with many trials and tribulations with Scott as he went through puberty. He attended a day treatment program that helped him become a caring, kind man.  He was active in Special Olympics. He traveled with my sister and her husband everywhere. Scott became a popular young man in his hometown. With love and guidance shown to him, he rarely had the tantrums that are known in Prader-Willi children. 

  

Scott brought our family so much joy and we were better people having had him in our lives for just a short time. Scott died in 2004 at just 29 years of age. He developed diabetes and deep vein thrombosis. His parents are still trying to deal with this terrible loss. Our family will never be the same.  Scott gave me wonderful gifts-- love, laughter and acceptance. Wonder and innocence and warmth.  

  

Sharon 

  

 
 
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November 2, 2005, 12:08 pm PST

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!

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When I saw that Prader-Willi Syndrome would be the topic for Dr. Phil’s show I was surprised. The syndrome is rarely mentioned except in extreme cases.  I wish the whole hour could be devoted to Prader-Willi.  I trust that there will be resources and links to offer support after the show airs on Thursday.   

  

My nephew Scott was diagnosed with PWS in 1975. Only 20 years since it had been discovered, Scott’s disorder was somewhat rare when he was born. He was a failure-to-thrive baby and had poor muscle tone. Doctors thought he had cerebral palsy and would never walk. He walked when he was almost 3 years old. His speech was affected because of poor muscle control. Scott was always patient with us when we had difficulty understanding him. Scott started gaining weight when he was 6 or 7. My sister and her husband were faced with many trials and tribulations with Scott as he went through puberty. He attended a day treatment program that helped him become a caring, kind man.  He was active in Special Olympics. He traveled with my sister and her husband everywhere. Scott became a popular young man in his hometown. With love and guidance shown to him, he rarely had the tantrums that are known in Prader-Willi children. 

  

Scott brought our family so much joy and we were better people having had him in our lives for just a short time. Scott died in 2004 at just 29 years of age. He developed diabetes and deep vein thrombosis. His parents are still trying to deal with this terrible loss. Our family will never be the same.  Scott gave me wonderful gifts-- love, laughter and acceptance. Wonder and innocence and warmth.  

  

Sharon 

  

 Hi Sharon:

Thank you for that inspiring post about your nephew, I bet he WAS the light of soo many lives.  I know that my little guy already is, everyone loves him and he loves everyone else!

I know that we will have our challenges, but I also know that we will get through them together as a family and with our new PWS family.  I hope that Dr. Phil actually Joins our family which would mean portraying ALL there is to our kids, not just highlighting the tantrums and stuff.

Thanks again!

Joyce
 
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November 2, 2005, 12:53 pm PST

Verbal abuse IS abuse!!!

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Well I just thought your words were a little judemental. and I dont abuse my kids. I HAVE apnked her with a belt YES, but its on rare occasions. Its mainly my "mouth" that is the issue. I yell alot. and I do say mean things. I dont mean them, they just come out because IM SOOO MAD. WHen savannah is doing something she isnt supposed to be I CALMLY tell her once or twice to stop. Then she just does it anyways and looks at me to see how far she can push me. After 4 or 5 times I get mad and yell. My kids have NEVER EVER had marks or bruises of any type, (maybe from playing) but not from me. And as far as I remember....Dr. Phil was looking for someone with PWS. Not a "typical" PWS family. Im not even sure what a "typical" PWS family is because we are all different. Wait until you see the other girl they are going to show footage of tomorrow. Thats not typical. I dont think. But that family does ALL they can to help her and she is still out of control. It is some pretty scary footage! Its sad to watch. I am going to a PHD therapist and getting the help that I went to the show for.
 Hello:

Verbal abuse does much, much more long-term damage to children than any other type of abuse, so please don't say that you don't abuse your kids and then say that you yell mean, nasty things at them.

Do you know that THEY believe it when you say that they are bad, ugly, stupid, they BELIEVE you and they believe you forever or until they get massive amounts of therapy.

I do understand how frustrating parenting a PWS child and parenting any children are and I have yelled occasionally, but I have NEVER called my children names or told them that they were stupid because I KNOW first-hand what that feels like.

Even the "average" kid will push your buttons some of them constantly, BUT again, YOU are the grownup, YOU need to handle it differently.

To answer your question, to me the "typical PWS family" and I have met many over the last two years are sweet, kind, loving and do whatever they can to help their child with PWS, they are NOT PERFECT and I am sure that they yell occassionally, but they would never call their children names or beat them with a belt.  The "typical PWS family" struggles with the same issues you do, but handle without abuse.

I DO feel for you, after all, we are in the same boat, I will pray for you and your family.  I hope that you understand that I am saying that your PWS story is not typical because you are not handling it the way that it needs to be handled.

Thanks for writing and the very best of luck to you and your family.

Sincerely,

Joyce
 
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November 3, 2005, 7:54 am PST

Your kids are BEAUTIFUL!

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Thank you so much to all the people who posted messages here for me. Nice or mean I have taken the time to read everybodys opinion and take all said into consideration. I apologize that I said the kids were brats. They just act that way sometimes, I DO Love them and Ill do my best to handle the situation. I should not have been so negative in my postings...I guess I was just blown away by all the meanies who hadnt even seen the show yet. Thanks so much to the nice, positive, people who left such great messages. It IS appreciated. "you get more flies with sugar then with vinigar" (not that anyone wants flies! but you get my point! :)Thanks again to everyone. 

 

Sincerely, Nichelle 

Hi Nichelle: 

  

I think I did come off a little mean and I truly apologize for that!  I am just frustrated that Dr. Phil chose not to show all of the interventions that our kids have today to make their lives better, like Growth Hormone injections, Therapies, etc.   

  

All of these things evolved because parents of older children FOUGHT like HELL for them and I don't understand why Dr. Phil doesn't want to do a show on the FIGHT to BEAT THE HUNGER!   

  

I am glad that you have reached out for help and that PWSA USA is going to help you.  Honestly, I am sorry that I came down so hard on you, I do wish you the very BEST! 

  

Sincerely, 

  

Joyce 

  

  

 
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November 3, 2005, 4:53 pm PST

PLEASE TELL THE REST OF THE PWS STORY!

 Hello Dr. Phil:

I just watched your show on "Extreme food obsessions" which featured Prader Willi Syndrome.  My 21 month old son has Prader Willi Syndrome and I am writing to beg you to consider telling the rest of the PWS story.

There are people that have PWS that have graduated college and many are not "mentally retarded" (I hate that term) at ALL.

Please think about the disservice that is done when the media only shows the worst-case scenarios of a medical condition.  There is soo much therapy, medicine and intervention that could have and SHOULD have been shared with your viewers.  Honestly, I am afraid that any brand new moms with a new diagnosis may decide to just give up based on what they saw on your show.

There are wonderful success stories about the great strides that have been made to fight this terrible disorder.

I am going to FIGHT to find a cure for the terrible hunger that plagues my child, please, please, please join me.  We know that it is possible and we just NEED someone like you to help us with raising awareness and research dollars to find that magic pill to end the hunger.

Further, the experts all agree that WHEN they find the pill that helps PWS people feel full, it WILL work for the general population, imagine that a diet pill that actually works, YOU CAN HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE, join in the FIGHT to help all people with PWS end the terrible devastating hunger, you have the power, please use it and tell the WHOLE STORY.

Thank you for listening.

Sincerely,

Joyce
 
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November 4, 2005, 12:09 am PST

Soo sorry about your son!

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Jaclyn, 

 

You are so misinformed. You need to do your research before you give professional advice.   Your alley sounds like it might be the back alley. 

 

My son Jeremy had Prader Willi. He passed away just after his 17th birthday.  He was a medically very well managed child with PWS. We did this by limiting his food intake, 1100 calories a day, as well as treating him with Growth Hormone, as prescribed by his doctor.  He was 5ft 6in and 135 when he died.  If we had not properly managed his eating and behavior I am sure he would have been well over two hundred pounds and had many more medical problems than just PWS.  He died when his stomach ruptured after sneaking food and the complications that followed.    

 

There any many good doctors that specialize in Prader Willi, Dr. Dan Driscoll at the Univeristy of Florida Shands Hospital is probally the foremost Genetic expert in the US.   

 

I suggest that people go to the National Prader WIlli Syndrome web site www.pwsusa.org  to get the facts rather than rely on the postings of some on this message board that my or may not be as qualified as they suggest. 

 

Pete 

 Hi Pete:

I just wanted to say that I am soo sorry to hear about your son, he sounds like he was very Blessed to have you as his parent.  Thank you for sharing, it is important for all dangers of the syndrome to be known.

God Bless You and your family!

Sincerely,

Joyce
 

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