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March 31, 2008, 11:55 am PDT

Conquer the fear....especially for your children.

I wish ALL the guests well, but I simply cannot watch another show on battered women.

 

The only person who can change a person's circumstance in life is that person. They have to make the decision to leave and to leave for good. That means getting over the fear of starting over, of perhaps being alone, of having to raise children alone and even having to go without a certain lifestyle (at least temporarily). I know it is NOT easy, having worked with battered women and children at an underground women's shelter in Iowa during the mid 80's.

 

Most of the women caught up in domestic abuse have seen weak women and/or abusive men in their lives as they were growing up. Often their own mothers were abused. That doesn't mean they can't change their circumstances. If they have children, they MUST change their circumstances. They MUST put the welfare of their children before ALL else, including their fears. Think of the baggage the children take into their adult relationships if they've seen domestic abuse. The odds are against them when it comes t have healthy, long-lasting relationships.

 

Sometimes addicitions to drugs/alcohol keep women in abusive relationships, but often it's simply the lack of understanding what LOVE is (and is NOT) and the desire not to be alone. I have seen so many women tolerate SO much because they were fearful of being alone. If that's not low self-esteem, nothing is!

 

And, yes, abused women come in all races, sizes, income brackets and levels of education. Often, though, certain groups of women will not make their abuse public by seeking help at a domestic violence shelte (i.e. Asian women, wives of professionals such as doctors/lawywers, etc).

 

LOVE NEVER HURTS. Take this from someone married 18 years (happily). My husband is handsome, bright, successful, rugged and a wonderful husband and father; he has NEVER EVER called me a mean name or tore me down in ANY way. He's my main line of emotional support and we're the best of friends, along with being the best of lovers, of course.

 

If the person your with is mean to you (even verbally), than he doesn't know the meaning of "love." And if you choose to stay with someone like that, than YOU don't like yourself very much. Value youself more! Good luck and God bless...

 

 
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March 31, 2008, 12:23 pm PDT

Do NOT give up. Love yourself enough to FIGHT

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 i am in a safe house now for battered women. he is a cop in greenville sc. i was in it for 30 years! i was told he had papers on my, meaning the marriage papers. he always said be fearful of him, be very fearful.

 he called me 20 to 30 times a day. he told me what to wear and who to talk to. he said i dumb. ugly, i was a freeloader, i was hit knocked over the sofa. i had to call him sir. he is going to kill me i know. but death will be better than looking over my shoulder 24 -7.  the police called him when i tried to take out a stalking report. saying , () is a good ole boy. he would never do that!!!  so ,, no report!!!!

 talk about the brother hood!!!! this not joke they stick togather, i have no hope.

If you give up, you'll continue being a victim and he'll continue controlling you. If you have children, you owe it to them to break this cycle.

 

If I were you, I would make calls to my husband's boss, but I would not bother to speaking to anyone else in his department again. I would tell him that I had had enough and would be in contact with the state atty. Then I would IMMEDIATELY call the state atty (the office may be called the distict atty in your area). I would ask to meet with him and find out what you CAN do. The state atty will also help you file the paperwork for your restraining order. Do NOT wait. Stress how fearful you are. Why are you allowing them to stop you from filling out any report???? You are giving all your power away.

 

I would also make calls to the state police; ask them what you can do. There are also federal law enforcement agencies. The more calls you make, the more liklihood of someone giiving you the advice you need. And the more people who know your husband's name and reputation, the more likely the are going to get tired of him and stop supporting him.

 

I'd also call Legal Aide. They work with people who don't have the money to hire their own lawyer. I bet they could give you some great advice. Attendng some domestic violence "survivor" meetings might also help you connect with women who were once in your shoes; they may know what you can/should do.

 

You CAN survive this. You MUST tell yourself that over and over again until you believe it. You ARE worth it!  Imagine your life a year from now with no abuse or fear. Imagine being happy and having fresh start. You deserve that! God bless you. I have faith you WILL make it.

 

 

 
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March 31, 2008, 12:26 pm PDT

AMEN !

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I am outraged at the comments posted thus far that this topic is "annoying" or "been done" so many times.  I am just coming out of a 5 year marriage that has been abusive, both mentally, and physically.  I am a successful 30 year old business woman who could manage an entire team of staff but could not manage my own well being or safety.  There are many reasons why us "women" stay in these relationships.  My own reasons were simply the fact that his abuse started slowly with name calling or demeaning jokes as he calls it.  he describes himself as a sarcastic person who is funny and that I have lost my sense of humor over the years.  Meanwhile the so called joked started to turn into a slap here or there and then to all out war, with many brusies and incidents of being choked as punishment for not coming home on time from a baby shower. 

 

Of course I knew in my heart that this wasnt right and had tried to leave many times.  But then you get sucked into the charm and apoligizes that this will never happen again.  You start to believe that the man you love so much and that you chose as a life time partner could be changed, saved, or whatever word best fits the love that you so despartly long for.  After many friends, family members or even counselors tell you to leave and even though these people stop being your friend or stop listening to you still try to justify his actions and behavior you still stay till the end.  You hold on tighter and tighter praying that God will just make him see how is acting.  You still have hope that this man who even fathered a beautiful little boy with you will start to grow up and be the man that he should and could be.

 

Then something snaps!! Just like a lightening bolt hits the ground right in front of you.  You start to realize that this is not "NORMAL" and you start to slowly regain your self respect and decide that especially now that there is a precious little gift from God in your life that YOU NEED TO PROTECT THEM AND YOURSELF AND GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!

 

My story happenend exactly like that...After that baby shower that I was late from and was dragged into the house by my throat and pushed against the wall with all his might to take the last breath from me.  It was clear...I called the police, got a restraining order and filed for divorce.  Now it hasnt been easy by any means by I have finally decided my life is mine...Not his to dictate anymore.  And the promise I have made to myself, my son and God is that my little boy will never see this type of behavior as acceptable.  He will never treat a woman like this as he will know how precious all of us are.

 

So to all of you that think this is overrated and been done, my thoughts to you are think really hard about your own life.  You may have been strong enough to stay out of a situation like mine but by no means are you, your wife, your daughter, your female friends or even the stanger you pass on the street not affected by some sort of abuse.... This is a serious problem that runs so deep in our Country that we cannot ignore and turn our backs on any indivdual who is affected by this.

 

To all of my fellow survivors and to those who have yet to find the inner courage to say ENOUGH!!! I wish all the best and I will keep all of you in my thought and prayers.  You will find the light someday!!! I DID!!!

Absolutely WONDEFUL post.  You go, Girl!

 

You're a strong and compassionate woman.

 

God bless you and thank you for your words of wisdom. 

 
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March 31, 2008, 12:35 pm PDT

Don't confuse ordinary violence with the condition of "domestic violence"

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Enough is enough.

There are well sheltered studies ( look up Strauss for example ) that women are MORE PHYSICALLY VIOLENT than men! Suprised?

When psychological abuse is considered,....

women BY FAR were  GRAVELY MORE ABUSIVE than men

( think of the mother who drove the 13 year old girl to suicide -

 -I 'll bet you forgot all about this so you could focus on "nasty men".

 

It appears the only time a fleeting interest occurs is when teeange girls kill ANOTHER girl.

Although I can cite several such cases, Rena Virk in Canada was one of the most disgusting cases.

Yet the media choses to hush such incident.

 

People tend to giggle about Lorena Bobbit's vicious attack, but the same would not hold true if he would have sliced of a breast.

 

I am NOT denying there are men who use violence for whatever reason,..

inability to express self, as a primal reaction to threat, infrustration to false allegations, loss of touch with reality,...... WHATEVER it is,.....

 

NOTHING will be solved by POINTING fingers at men as montsters,...but it WILL make things worse

asa fundamental root of the problem is being ignored - VIOLENCE  HAS NO SEX.

 

so rather than trying to save ONE womans life,....

let's try to TEACH people that VIOLENCE is an UNACCEPTABLE action / reaction from EITHER SEX.

 

Then maybe we can save at LEAST one of the many men / dad's  contemplate & committ SUICIDE DAILY ( in Quebec alone - the stat is 3 -5 men daily - some "accidents" which are CLEARLY suicide, are NOT tallied in this stat ) .

Don't wait until it is your son or brother to speak out against violence towards men.

 

best regards

 

Hank

Montreal Canada

There is a difference between violence such as fighting (like we see girls and women do over boys and rumors, etc) and domestic battery. Domestic battery runs deeper than just physical assault. It involves mind control and a systematic approach at isolation and manipulation.

 

Yes, women cause MANY problems with their big mouths and their agressive behavior. But men STILL dominate the clear definition of "domestic abuse."

 

There are SOME cases of women being abusers....isolating men from their families and friends, beating them (one in our shelter used to get him with a frying pan whenever he upset his violent wife) and controlling their every thought, action and financial decision, but they are STILL in the minority.

 

Read up on the topic and you will see the differences between the sexes and the crimes. I am a former feminist (former active N.O.W. member for over a decade) who hates men getting the bad raps for just about everything in this country, but I also know that you are speaking about something other than the true definition of "domestic violence."

 
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May 9, 2008, 2:24 pm PDT

May he learn what REAL LOVE really is....before it's too late

The reality is that this young woman will eventually lose the weight but NEVER forget all the mean things her husband has said to her. She will always feel the hurt and pain of his words every time she looks at him and every time she looks in the mirror.

 

Also, this man is abusing his children by speaking of their mother so horribly. If they are girls, they'll be so self-contious about their bodies & weight. And if they don't look perfect, they'll think their father doesn't love them or like them. If they are boys, they'll grow up to have lousy marriages because they'll treat their own wives the lousy way they saw their father treat their mother. This man has NO RIGHT to do this to his kids!

 

I have been happily married almost 19 years to a rugged, handsome, sweet, bright, successful, federal officer. He's a SUPER husband/friend/lover and a great father to our two kids. I gained 100 lbs since we met and he has NEVER EVER said one mean thing about me. He still calls me beautiful, tells me he loves me and WANTS sex as often as ever. In 3 months, I have lost 35 lbs while on a medical diet. I feel great and he's supportive because he wants me HEALTHY. He woud love me fat or skinny, it makes no matter. THAT is what real love is all about. Real love doesn't hurt. It's not mean or cruel.

 

Hopefully the young woman's husband will GROW UP, become a REAL husband, learn how to LOVE and be SUPPORTIVE and also do right by his children before it's too late. I wish them well. There are too many divorces in this country, too many broken homes and God has been very sad...

 
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June 13, 2008, 2:36 pm PDT

BOTH are lying. Err on the side of school children...

I've watched this show 2x. Everything is fishy. BOTH student and teacher are lying, I believe.

 

I have taught secondary school for 9 years. Although teachers do hire students to move things, they DON'T send coded notes.  And boys DO NOT forget when/if they had sex with a teacher, especially when it was (supposedly) just their second sexual partner!  I'm 45 and I can recall my 2nd sexual encounter down to the words we said, the clothing we were wearing, where we had been before that moment, etc...

 

The fact that the teacher spends more time trying to poke holes in the boys story and hardly no time denying what occurred is odd. She appears like a guilty person trying to take attention way from the alleged crime and find a way to discredit the accuser.

 

If I were a teen who had lied about my teacher 6 years ago, what would be the benefit of going on national televsion? I DO believe SOMETHING inappropriate occurred between the two, but perhaps not as much as the boy is saying. Regardless, this teacher showed POOR JUDGEMENT and should not be teaching ever again. Err on the side of public school children....

 

 

 
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June 13, 2008, 2:44 pm PDT

I hired students...

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This really upsets me. First of all I am married to a teacher and not once has he ever taken a person of the opposite sex home, wrote messages to them in code(?), or asked them to come to the house for ANY reason at all. She never once denied any of those things but why would she do it in the first place? A teacher SHOULD KNOW BETTER! This to me makes me feel like the teacher is clearly not telling the truth about something.   It makes no sense.And why hasn't she taken a lie detection test? These three boys have but ohhh she can't? Something is not right here!

Although I believe both the boy and the woman are lying in different ways, let me say that as a 9th year teacher I have had boys/girls come to my home. However, I was never alone w/ them (on purpose).

 

In fact, I hired them to film my wedding and reception. My father-in-law, a dedicated and respected ROTC teacher (and former military LTC) used to hire his POOR students to do yardwork, paint and any other thing he could do to make their lives easier (most of those students STILL keep in touch with him even though they have families of their own and have left the state). This helped his students buy the things their parents (usually one actually) could not afford.

 

I used to buy clothing for the students who were my teacher assistants. They were usually poor students and I knew they would like to have some name-brand popular clothing. I really didn't care if I raised eyebrows on the part of those who didn't get close to their students. I loved my kids (as my father-in-law did) and I tried to find ways to help them. But, I NEVER EVER CROSSED THE LINE.

 

Please be careful when saying that just because your husband didn't get close to his students in this way means teachers who do are bad or dangerous and anything other than caring and dedicated to students. You made a HUGE jump and it was not the case in my case and my father-in-laws (and probably MANY other dedicated teachers).

 
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July 21, 2008, 2:43 pm PDT

How sad that he's so mentally sick

Wow! This is not a re-run for me. I can't believe what I am seeing. My heart goes out to the innocent children of this sick man. And my prayers are especially with the kind couple who thought they were helping a dying, honest man. I hope they now have helped him by getting him professional help AND having him leave to find his own dwelling. May they not get so digusted that they never again help someone in need; their kindness could be used on others, perhaps even the WIFE of this socially ill man who should not have custody of his children.

 

 

 
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July 21, 2008, 6:10 pm PDT

Polygraphs are a SUPER tool

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The reason that lie detector's aren't admissable in court is because they aren't as reliable as most people believe. Although many believe their accuracy to be in the range of 90 to 95 percent, their true range of accuracy falls to about 63 percent.

 

Polygraphs measure physiological responses: blood pressure, pulse, respiration and skin conductivity.

 

If a person is normally nervous or anxious and takes the test, their results will be inconclusive because the graph will go all over the place. On the flip side, if a person is relaxed and calm when taking a polygraph, their test results will more often than not show as truthful, even if they are horrendous liars.

 

This Matt guy certainly gives the impression that maintaining a modicum of calm during one of these tests wouldn't be difficult...I really feel for Elizabeth and those poor people that he's conning.

 

People like Matt feel nothing for people other than themselves, so in the long run perhaps it would be best for their children to have little to no contact with him. Can you imagine having to deal with a father like that on a daily basis? I do hope that this all works out best for the children in the end, because they are the ones who suffer the most in the end.

http://www.polygraph.org/validity-research

 

Your accuracy statistics are not correct. Not only is the accuracy rate MUCH higher than 63%, the accuracy is much higher when the test is administered by a highly qualified expert (such as the one Dr. Phil used). Additonally, an inconclusive reading does not count as a lie AND polygraphs can be taken more than once by a person. Should that person fail the test both times, the likelihood of false readings is not worth mentioning.

 

The lie detector test is a GREAT TOOL in investigations, but it is simply ONE TEST. It should never be used alone to determine guilt or innocence.

 

My own cousin, a compulsive liar, took a polygraph test and the resuls were "inconclusive," even though he lied his butt off. Any sociopath who does not believe he has done anything wrong could very possibly pass the polygraph, especally if it were administered by a less-than-qualifed examiner.

 

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