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August 3, 2005, 3:16 am PDT

Mitral Valve Replacement

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I've been thinking about this all evening. Thanks for the prayers Darcylove... I was thinking the very same thing you stated - that maybe if I mowed their lawn and helped out any way that I could that it might ease their burden with all they have to worry about now. I love and care for this man as if he were my own brother (mine died before I was born). I feel so useless...and so worried. Any man at this young age who has heart problems is NOT in a good scenario. Allinall, you say your wife has/had this. Do you think he should get a SECOND OPINION, or should he go ahead with the surgery they're advising that he should get? The doctors seem urgent and say that he shouldn't wait too long. I know for a fact that I would FIGHT getting open heart surgery all the way. I lost my mother this way. She died two weeks after her open heart surgery to repair her ventricle. If anything happens to him...I don't know what I'll do! Oh God, I should get off of here - my wife has been somber all afternoon. I can't even think straight....why do these terrible things happen to terrific people???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 

I am sorry to hear you are going through such distress. My mom had to have her left valve replaced a few months ago. She also has adult onset diabetes. So anything that can complicate the matter has to be looked at very closely. Last summer when we went on vacation she was having a difficult time being around people. We thought it was her typical anti social behaviours! But when I took her to the store I saw she was having a hard time getting her breath. As soon as we got back to NY we went for tests. The day they set her up for the scope to see what was going on, they came to us and said she has to go into surgery today. To our surprise, she was on the operating table getting open heart surgery. It all happend so fast. When the valve is clogged, very typical for people in their 70's is due to having rheumatic fever at some point in their youth. This scars the valve and causes problems in 90% of all people that had RF and did not know. They also said she would only get worse and it would eventually cause other problems, heart attack, possibly stroke. What choice did she have? Thank the almighty father, she is doing good. She now suffers from gout (also common side affect of having heart surgery like that for valves). I don't know if I gave you the information you are seeking, but from my standpoint, she is doing good. Lets pray the same happens in your case. My prayers are with you.

 
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August 3, 2005, 4:01 am PDT

Question for All and Sand

Good morning guys! Can you please tell me what it is about a woman (besides the sex part) that you enjoy? What is your idea of a good nite out with someone? What are your feelings when you are around women? Do you feel superior? Inferior? Middle ground? And All - in your last post you indicate it is control that happens. Is that how it feels? Because that is not what we, or at least I want. It may seem like we are trying to control you by taking away something you find enjoyable, and by right, I am sure it is. What I tried to do when I told my husband how his porn use was making me feel and think, I was taking control over my world, not his! I needed to know that I am going to be allowed to voice my opinion on something and it wouldn't be discounted as not important. It was the first sign for me that we were not going to be able to work things though or come to a compromise. I must admit, it is a biggie and when you mention porn,a guys ears perk up. When you mention porn, from what I feel, women, they get all quirky. I don't understand how some girls are so confident and others are not. We all have that capability to be explosive and desireable, whether we are the ideal look or not. Women give their "so called opinions" because we are natural caregivers and want to make things work out. Maybe all the people in the sex business are not able to feel deep with someone and this makes them able to be so free with many. Its easier to haver 15 superficial relationships, then it is to have 2 intimate ones where you are vulnerable and yet know you are loved and cared about.

 

I also don't feel comfortable with Hooters! Surprised? Women don't expect you to know what it is like to be one, same with women and men. But can you sincerely tell me it wouldn't bother you to know that your wife's are looking at naked, sexual men when you are not around? Maybe everyday? Would it not make you feel one ounce of doubt about yourselves? Thank you for your time. Have a good day. Kimi

 

 
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August 4, 2005, 4:12 am PDT

Hi Darcy and everyone

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...and thanks for not dissing on my appearance or being rude. This is a new side to you that I'm not used to seeing! Anyway, I completely understand where you're coming from ;).

That was very well put, Darcy. Very touching and clear. Man, I could remember my grandparents and the way they treated one another with such love and committment to each other. I also believe we all want/need that in our lives because it lets us know we are alive and needed here. If I think back to the guys I dated, it was always a double edged sword. At one point we are high on each other and then suddenly, it is over. Sometimes I was glad about it, sometimes I wasn't. My experience in relationship to men has been from awsome to horrendous. But somewhere in between I learned out to avoid as much as possible those guys that are no good, vs. those that might be nice to know. So my opinion on men is pretty good and really no bad feelings. Yet, I am sure there is a reason why some men like porn and some don't, and the same with women.

 

If you go to porn shops, you will find a lot of movies with women on the covers. Hardly ever do you see a guys anatomy. Unless it's in the gay section. Porn is shoved and geared towards pleasing a man. If men have been as exposed and vulnerable in this area, women would probably have the same opinions about porn that men have now.  I also can't help but feel a little guilty for feeling uncomfortable with porn but it's not the porn that I am uncomfortable with, it is the idea that there is now another element into the equasion. I sometimes wish men were sold as prostitutes and sexually abused as much as girls, but I know of a lot of guys that have been sexually abused too!! And from what I can tell, it has a major impact on them too. Guys battle with homosexuality, like women battle with lesbianism. I don't know if the more comfortable you are in your own skin you are free to be open to things, but when you are not free in your mind you remain prisoner to fears. OK. Went off on a tangent......sorry.

 
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August 6, 2005, 5:33 pm PDT

A good as place as any

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I'm curious about something. From the little I know of you, it seems that you haven't made your stance clear on whether you view porn sometimes (if at all) or rarely. And if you don't use porn, then I was wondering why you would post in a porn forum?
Hello. Since I am still uncertain how this board works, I'll start here. Hello board buddies. The strange thing, is either I am getting it or I am in deep deep denial.  I went to a porn shop the other day (heck, if my husband can watch videos and go to strip clubs here and there) right? I was invited to a store by a friend. As I strolled down the lanes looking at the products and dvd's I looked around and saw a few guys shopping. They were rather normal looking and it really didn't freak me out like I thought it would being there. The guy on line had about $200 worth of dvd's. I was able to separate him from the visual of what he was going to be doing with these. It is a very sexual place and being there amongst men like that kind of turned me on, in a sick way. It was like being real bad. And I was thinking about how my husband must feel when he goes in there. I am sure he's not thinking of me at all. And another thing crosses my mind, now, is that I was wondering if these guys had women or if they were alone, or if they were pervs of some sort.I am sure, all of the above. I am coming to terms with the fact that guys really feel it is normal behavior that it is completely useless to make anything out of it other then what it is. Will I ever understand? Maybe. Maybe not but I know one thing, my mission in life is not to spend on trying to figure this one out. Now that the focus is off of it I can see the marriage for what it is and not for what porns effect is. I spend close to four years trying to understand why my husband needs porn in his life. I am sure it is attached to some sense of personal freedom.  I hate what I allowed this whole crazy mess to do to me and my character. Discovering all the porn use and phone sex and finding cards from strip clubs, I went into this mode of anger and sense of competition. Who was I competing with? Strangers! People that will never cross my path only in visual simulation. The live strip clubs is another thing. Thats for people that really need to touch someone and there is no one good enough so they settle for strangers. But who wouldn't want someone they can call their own? The answer to that is the person that thinks they are in this life alone with all the people and involvements, they are still alone because they they are still looking for sexual satisfaction via fantasy.
 
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August 8, 2005, 3:09 am PDT

Hi Cansee

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my name is chris and i recently saw a drphil show on porngraphy. i want to be the first to say that even though i used porn for many years that i can see now how damaging it is to us and to women too. i really dont know what to write except ive been reading the few messages from men and think that they either dont see deeply enough or maybe they just dont care. i dont think losing my woman that i love more than life over vids and pics is worth it at all! i know im probaby the only man who thinks this but just had to write it. hope im not intruding on this board
Why do you think, it seems a lot of guys, push the issue that porn is their given right and it doesn't have anything to do with how they feel about their women? Do they honestly believe they can love and respect their women despite their wandering eyes? Is there that little connection between a man and his sexual needs? Understanding that men and women have unique sex drives independant of whether they are male or female, what is it that would make a man run to the a porn shop and a woman run to an affair? I think the more men justify their porn use, the more women are going to justify their having affairs!Women are right up there with having as many affairs as men these days and I think the reason is because we have lost faith that any man can stay celibate and committed for too long. Unfortunately have lost faith in their men. So we will get married, do what needs to be done in a marriage, but it is a sad day when a woman loses faith in her man. This is the day the love dies. Do you think men justify their porn use because they have this intense need to have sex all the time and don't want to wait? Or is it a form of narcissim or even fear that makes them so vulnerable to temptations? Do you think men look weak if they don't look at porn? Is it a macho thing? And does it make men feel superior? Why are men so willing to offend a woman that obviously feels he is worthy of spending time with him, and in turn, he doesn't think twice about dissing her if a nice looking woman enters the room? I understand that when a good looking person enters a room, most eyes will look, but what is it about a person that keeps them from not being able to remember they are on a date with someone else, not the stranger across the room? You seem to have a handle on how to treat a woman and don't worry about what other guys think of you because your views of porn use in a loving relationship are different. You know in your heart that when you look at images of other naked people you are distancing yourself from your wife, even if it is just a little. Good luck and stay well.
 
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August 8, 2005, 12:33 pm PDT

tHANKS CAN SEE

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i didnt quit on my own. when she first caught me i said i was so sorry and that i would never do it agian.of course i lied. i kept doin it. not sure really why i kept doin it when i knew that it hurt her feeling so bad. i guess it was the thrill of seeing naked women while i already had a woman of my own. i did do it wheni was single to but not like i did during our marriage. after the babies she didnt like doin it as much as i did and she didnt loose the weight she gained. she said she felt fat but to me she did still look pretty and sexy even with the extra weigh. but she didnt believe me and i think that and taking care of babies and house got her tired all the time and not wanting sex like i did. i started to panic because months and months went by with nothing! i tried everythng i tried helping her housework and with the babies and complementing her but nothing worked. i got mad and figured if shes not going to have sex at least one in a blue moon then i would use porn to see sexy women and to get off. so i did. it didnt improve anything but at least i was getting "something" some sort of sexual satisfacton. when she caught me again and again i think that pushed her even more away from me but what else could i do? then i came home from workone day and saw her eyes big and red from crying and i was in a hurry that morning and forgot to erase the files. she saw everything i looked at and let me tell you that really did something to me i'll never forget. ill type more later i have a customer now. 
 It was a part of your life prior to your marriage but you slowed it down after marriage, right? Then the kiddies came and she went through some changes, right? You tried to do stuff to make her feel loved and sexy and respected her but she was not ready to accept this from you, right? So, you took it one step further and decided that in order to get some relief, you would go outside and seek porn again. But this time, you were fueled by hurt feelings, rejection and even possibly anger. Am I right so far? Then, one day you find out she discovered the extent of your porn use and it broke her which in turn, broke you. Now you say you stopped. How is your sex life now? .......There is nothing anyone can do if you don't feel good about yourself. Your wife sounded like she was not happy in her skin after the babies and was struggling to keep up appearances, but couldn't because it was too strong for her. It takes time to work through self esteem issues. I am sorry you both had to go through this but it seems like you have come out of it for the better? Please tell me then, do you think you will weaken again? I mean, is it in the back of your head that you can always resort to porn "if" the sex slows up again? Or do you think you can beat the urge? Thanks.
 
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August 8, 2005, 5:48 pm PDT

acan see......the backspace thingy

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its amazing how busy it is when i want to post a comment! you are right about the rejection my hurt feelings and not anger but more like disapointment.ok im going to be real honest now and this is not going to be good but here goes. before she caught me the last time, even when we were having sex i still used porn. it wasnt because she wasnt giving me enough or doing enough. i just wanted to look at it! i cant explain why because i dont even know myself.even if she posed for me the way they do or gave me anthing i wanted i would of still looked. naked women in photos or video is very sexy and i guess part of me got real turnedon by it even though i knew it would hurt her if she knew.  

  

  

well, im a born again christian now and even though i may be weak from time to time i know ill never look at it again because i dont want to! i already know what women parts look like and what there capable of doing. i want to see my womans parts and see her doing sexy things that i want to see. if that doesnt happen then i have the choice to divorce her and find another. no excuse to hurt her like this just because of my selfish desires and fantases. but ill stay with her forever because she is the woman i love and the one i want to be sexual with! does this make any sense, it doesnt seem to with some of my freinds. they say oh what they dont know wont hurt em. yeah right. women always know whats up with us and im glad they do!  

  

if it wasnt for my wife to lead me on the narrow path i wouldnt have a chance in this world or the next. pornography is sinful evil and death to a marriage if you ask me. i read some of the other posts from the men on here.and i have to say, it sound like there unhappy in there sexual relationhips with there wives and the ol wandering eye only does more harm than good in the end. why risk losing the one you love who will staywith you forever, be there when your sick, love you unconditonally and bring you happiness thru out life for a bunch of videos and photos? not this guy! i finally see now what evil i was doing and now only have eyes, thoughts and heart for my wife. i love her so much and i know she loves me to forgive me like this and give me another chance. 

Good evening. First, it doesn't matter why or how a person stops doing something that is harmful, either to themselves or others, what does matter is that it has stopped and you are in control of yourself and your future happiness.Although some won't call it an addiction, I believe reading a newspaper every day can be labeled an addiction. The one thing I learned through having an addiction to drugs many moons ago, is the reason I stopped was because I wanted to live more then I wanted to be high. I wanted to be a part of life and family and friends, not a part of something that was destructive to me and others. I also understand the battle with remaining sober/committed and steady on your own two feet. I commend you greatly for your willingness to see how your actions were possibly hurting you and your wife. I can't say it any better. You decided to allow love and compassion to override lust and desires of the flesh and instant gratification. Isn't it that much better now that in waiting for your time together, when you do have it, it is so much better? I am sure it is. Unfortunately, I am stuck. I am at a point where I can't see my husband sexually right now. Haven't for months. I am starting to feel really bad and don't want to hurt him anymore. I am starting to see his innocence and vulnerabilities in life and I don't want to be the one to beat him up any more then life sometimes can do to a person. My dilema now is finding that place in my heart where I can soften and open up to him again as a man and woman. First, I have to give up my stronghold on my ego. Next I have to give up my narcissistic ways into believing things should go my way and then I need to pray, and pray and pray, that the spirit will move me in such a way that I can learn how to love him again. I love him now, but I see wounds and injury in him. I see him as the victim in all of this and I don't want to feel sorry for him, but maybe this is the beginning of the end and end of the beginning. Take care and good luck to you on your journey. 

 
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August 9, 2005, 3:25 pm PDT

Thanks for replly

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i dont know your situation so i dont know what to say.exept to say that ego has nothing to do with how your feeling. i dont know how much he uses porn and if he hides it fromyou or not but i think if he realy cared about you and how it hurt you, then he would stop and turn to you for sex or sexuall feelings instead. i think hes insecure to because part of why i did it i think was because of that. it also easier to get off on a pic than giving yourself to the woman and pleasing her. in porn you dont have to please anybody and just consentrate on your own satisfaction.that sounds pretty darn greedy dont it? that because it is!!!!  

  

  

  

the sex we have now is nothing how it was before all this crap came into my life.even when i was datingand had lots of women i always saw myself in a porn movie and not really putting my all into it only trying to make her moan and feeling good bout myself that i could do that and to get off. im probaby not explaning myself right but its the best i can do. now, every touch, sensationn and pleasure i give to her come right back to me and she does the same for me because she know my heart and body is in it. one question tho please, why do you think hes the victim???? why does anyobdy have to be a victim??? your husband need to respect you and to stop doing all those selfish things and put more of himself to you instead    

I don't know how much he uses, if he uses, it's really not priority anymore in the life of this relationship. What is now is a product of how something seemingly innocent to one, some, many or none, can and does have potential to damage what might have been a good love relationship. Porn was just one of the few things that contributed to my feelings of discontent and disgust, if I may. But it was more or less my reactions that have brought me and my husband to this place. I am afraid that I won't be able to desire him again or give it a chance to take off. He makes comments about my lack of giving him hugs and kisses but I call it ego, but it is truly a lack of trust in this man to be good, honest and worthy of my vulnerabilities to him. I can't seem to bring myself to being childlike again; free to sexually explore with him. I don't want to be passionate with him because sex with him was never really a passionate experience, more or less an animalistic urge.....not complaining here, really :) But the one thing I expect to feel is passion for someone or something because in order for me to feel passion, I need to feel completely vulnerable. I have a guard up and it was being built everytime I lie in bed and out of the crack of the door, I can see him looking at porn. And then the guard got real big when he told me he wasn't going to stop "because I was being ridiculous"......not something women like to hear....by the way! So, as a man, how would you want to be approached with this? I want to be able to tell him how I feel,but I know as a man, he won't be able to really hear it. But I want to move forward......with him......or without. For the sake of two lives....I want to live in peace. Is it safe to tell a man you don't feel sexual towards him because of his porn use? Or do you just hope that one day, the excitement will return? Thanks.
 
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August 9, 2005, 4:03 pm PDT

Tis a spoiled brat

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The excuses we read on here for using porn sound so familiar to me. Let me think. Where have I heard those words before? Oh yeah! From my junkie brother. My brother is a recovering drug addict. His drug of choice was herion, although he started with pot years and years ago and his drug use escalated gradually. I can remember fighting with him about his drug use. He would say all the same things we hear the porn users saying. "But I LIKE it. It's not hurting you or anyone else for that matter. It has nothing to do with you or anyone else for that matter. This is my personal choice. I have it under control. I am not addicted. I enjoy this." Blah blah blah. Possibly the only excuse I've heard or read for using porn that is unique from the excuses drug users give for their substance abuse is the one about how the wife isn't giving it up enough so he has to use porn rather than cheating. I'm sorry, but defining porn use as some lesser evil on the road toward total infidelity doesn't exactly make it look any better. If you ask me, ANY action which results from a man's desire to be have sex with someone other than his wife is cheating, and this includes looking and flirting.  

Hi Lilac. I am sorry to hear you had to struggle with your brothers addiction to heroine. I remember knowing that what I was doing was wrong, but I wanted control over something in my life. I mean, I think most addicts will agree that they feel out of control most of times in general, and doing something different, rebellious, exciting, seems at first, ok. But as with all addicts they will tell you the first thing they think about, and probably one of the last, will be their addiction of choice. Its that simple. Its that obvious. We can be addicted to people the way some people make us feel. I made a statement and "cansee" mentioned why do I consider my husband a "victim"?. I see him as a victim because I cannot imagine anyone in their right head deciding to do something as ridiculous as look at porn at the risk of ruining a lifetime of love and affection. This is a victim to me. I made myself the victim because I felt I wasn't getting what I thought I needed and deserved. You see, I took him out of the equation and made it about me. If I was able to see that I don't need to depend on him for love and affection but I also wouldn't believe we should have remained married based on this finding either. If guys can say it's not about how they feel about us, per say, and we say but it sure as heck feels that way to us, per say, where is the middle ground? Do we dump every guy that likes porn? Do they ruin every chance at true intimacy? No one wins here. Except the people making all the money making these porn videos and such. The men looking at the stuff are no where near benefitting from the cheap source of entertainment. At what price will they pay and possibly give up on something as awsome as a great love affair with someone you care about? I don't know. The price is steep. But some, like the addict, will stay stuck in feeling out of control over their own happiness and hope to find it outside of themselves. How are you, by the way.....????? 

 
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August 9, 2005, 4:22 pm PDT

Women and divorce

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I married my husband hoping he wouldn't change.
You know that saying? You can bullcrap and bullcrapper?  I would never marry someone I thought I could change. I would hope that I was marrying someone that fit as close to my idea of perfect! If I saw things in my husband in the beginning that I wanted to change, I would not have married him. It's the things we find out later on that make us question our choice of what is the best mate. But like all lovers in love, we are blindsited in the beginning and its not that later on we want to change (or control) its just that what we are now seeing is not so, uh, nice. Women have remained married to men because of children. Women are more likely to end a marriage because they are not happy. Men won't end the marriage because they are content being so so satisfied, as long as they have their porn? If a man can't step up to the plate and be "the man" to a woman, how the heck can he expect her to be "all that" to him? Tain't happenin. I feel really sorry for people that waste their lives with someone they really don't care too much about all because they are afraid to be without.  I Would really like to believe that sleeping alone at nite, and dying with no one by your side, is not nearly as bad as spending hour upon hour, day upon day, year upon year, lifetime gone by, with someone that doesn't bring a smile to your face when you think of them. Just my take. Maybe I can be accused of being a hopeless romantic.....but that is just me and that is what I want out of this life.
 

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