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September 9, 2005, 9:14 am PDT

Privacy, Dignity, and Respect

Do I want my Doctor's Office Visit broadcast on national television?  HECK NO!  

Do you want your Doctor's Office Visit's broadcast on national television?  HECK NO!  

(Well maybe from some of your all posts.... maybe some of you all do...)  

   

There is nothing wrong with that kind of thinking and I think most people think this way.  

 
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September 9, 2005, 6:57 pm PDT

Friend

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I am more insulted than upset with our friend who thinks we all need to keep our secrets. Being that I made the apperance, to come on here and find out that what it took to come out and say something, was not good enough or not worth listening too, way to make a person feel good about themselves.  

  

It is people like that who make the victims continue to carry their feelings of shame and guilt. And the only reason people want to keep it secret, is because of their own shame for letting it happen to someone they know and love. 

 

Alexis, I am glad you called me "Friend, " because that is true.  If you were my neighbour I would treat you the same as anyone else.  I would listen to your stories and probably tell you some of my own.  I have only a handful of people that I trust and talk to about serious stuff.  Most people to me are on acquaintence level, but they are still my friend and still fun. And I accept them the way they are even though they don't think like me.  And I wouldn't go on the Dr. Phil show to discuss anything so don't be so offended.    This subject is just too complicated because every situation is so different with different levels of innocense and others hardcore criminal.  And all people in situations like this:  HURT.    I have listened to the details of both sides of friends with different names and different faces.  Every situation is different. 

I personally like concrete black and white answers and solutions.  Some situations don't have that.  There are lots of places to place blame.   I feel sad about your situation.  You were a victim.    I hope the best for you and for your children.  
 
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September 10, 2005, 9:36 am PDT

Yes, Friend

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after pouring my heart out on national tv, YOU come on here talking about how this should not be talked about. you want to be my friend??? your right we do hurt, and it's because of people like you that makes the hurt worse. My friends don't treat people that way. Compilcated or not, if you have a negative opinion about us getting support, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. I am beyond offended. I'm sorry that you feel bad, but why do you feel bad??? cause you ticked a lot of people off, or because you truly feel bad for the stories.We already know you wouldn't go on the show you made that painfully clear in your first message!
Alot of people on this discussion board are changing my words and saying I don't talk to my children about things.  The truth is I do talk to my children about everything.  My children tell me all kinds of things.  I know what all of their friends boyfriends and girlfriends are doing.  Probably more than they want me to know.   I do think you have courage Alexis. 
But let me share a story too.  And it's in no way near as big as yours, but it is something I dealt with.   A few years ago on the FIRST day of KINDERGARDEN.  FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL EVER for one of my boys he was coming home on his ALL KINDERGARDENER'S BUS and one of the little boys decided to stand up and pull his own pants down and flash the entire bus his um "glory."  He also stole my sons coins/change and he stole the candy he got that day from the first day of school party.  My little boy came home heartbroke crying and told me the whole story.   I called the teacher of course who said this:  Oh, you must mean ??????? such n such.  He is a foster child and we don't have a home for him right now.   How do I explain this to a kindergarner?  I said:  "This little boy doesn't have a mommy right now.  They are trying to find him a new mommy.  He is not sure of what is right and wrong, but we don't do those things that happened on the bus.  How would you feel if you didn't have a mommy?"  And he said "sad."  The teacher took care of the whole thing and we never had another problem.  My son forgave him and brought him some candy to share with him, so the little boy didn't have to steal it.   Does this little boy deserve a life sentence?  (as Dr. Phil would say)  so things get worse and escalate to full blown trouble or does this little boy need someone to adopt him and forgive him and teach him right from wrong.  But every situation is different.    
 
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September 10, 2005, 12:22 pm PDT

Thanks

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If she is activley doing things to lose weight like excesive exercise, vomitting, not eating, taking laxatives etc it is time for medical help while she is still at a healthy weight and before the anoerxia sets in and becomes full blown. SOunds like she has self-seteem issues. 

  

I would find a psychologist who deals with eating disorders. They have great programs out there. 

Also she needs to see someone regarding her self-esteem issues so she can begin to look at herself and love herself. 

  

My daughter was losing weight at 14 5'4" her lowest was under 100 pounds close to 90. 

But through counseling and working with these people she is better now. 

  

JMO 

Tammy 

Yeah... just watching and waiting.  Right now her new goal weight is 88 pounds.  So we have moved up 10 pounds.  It just took 3 months......  I saw in the previews next week there is an anorexia show on Weds which I think I will tape record for her because she will be in school.  She just wants to be a size 0 or size 1 like all the rest of the girls at school.  Do the boys at school care if she is a size 1?  No.  But Thankyou for your suggestions.
 
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September 11, 2005, 5:16 am PDT

Truce

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A 5 year old boy is no where near the same thing. I am talking about a 42 year old man, raping and beating his daughter from age 15-22!!! not even close to the same thing!!!!darn tootin this man deserves a life sentance he a sick man..and jail time doesn't even begin to touch on the justice he deserves. children are innocent, and need love and nurturing, and I don't see how your story at all reflects on my problems. I have read your words...ALL of them, and nobody has changed anything, just giving their interpretation of what you said. I find your comments to be closeminded and insensitive to those who have bee traumatized by our stories. Let's see if I cn give you some perspective here.  

  

Your story is about an angry little boy in fostercare doing typical things for a child that has been through tough times, and i agree that he just needs someone to love him. He is acting out, but kids that age are rarely vengeful or spiteful...because they don't have an understanding of what that means 

  

  

My story. you take a 15 year old girl living on the streets, her father (42, and knows right from wrong), who is supposed to protect her, and be her guide for making wise choices, asks her to come to stay with him. Instead of protecting her...she needs protection from him, I have guns held to my head, been chased after with knives...more black eyes than I can count etc,etc I could go on for hours about the abuse I endured with him. SO HOW DARE YOU make my story seem so trivial and tell me i need to move on , forgive and forget.. I will NEVER forget..I three constant reminders with me everyday. So again I ask you to keep your opinions to yourself! 

Didn't I say "this subject is so complicated with LEVELS of INNOCENSE and HARDCORE CRIMINAL?"  The story I shared had "levels of innocense" and your story is "hardcore criminal.  Your father does deserve to be in Jail. But the 2 situations are about the same subject.  But there is absolutely NOTHING I can say to make you feel any better Alexis.  And everything I say is not directed at you.  I've had 3 strikes already on this discussion so I'm out.  I hear you.  Along with the abuse you were kidnapped and held hostage by someone who was suppose to protect you.   Everyone has someone they know or relatives of somesort with all the things you shared.  I can find relatives especially if I look in the hills of West Virginia..... Oh shoot did I say West Virginia..... Now they are going to shoot me....... Well maybe they won't shoot me cause they are going to church today because it is Sunday........ Everyone can find someone...   I can relate to you on the subject of Pain, but the game pieces are placed on the board differently.  To me the way I deal with pain is humor.  This is how I am.  But there is nothing funny about your situation.  Nothing.  And there is nothing I can say, I just hope the best for you.  Truce ok? 
 
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September 11, 2005, 12:08 pm PDT

those relatives......

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Didn't I say "this subject is so complicated with LEVELS of INNOCENSE and HARDCORE CRIMINAL?"  The story I shared had "levels of innocense" and your story is "hardcore criminal.  Your father does deserve to be in Jail. But the 2 situations are about the same subject.  But there is absolutely NOTHING I can say to make you feel any better Alexis.  And everything I say is not directed at you.  I've had 3 strikes already on this discussion so I'm out.  I hear you.  Along with the abuse you were kidnapped and held hostage by someone who was suppose to protect you.   Everyone has someone they know or relatives of somesort with all the things you shared.  I can find relatives especially if I look in the hills of West Virginia..... Oh shoot did I say West Virginia..... Now they are going to shoot me....... Well maybe they won't shoot me cause they are going to church today because it is Sunday........ Everyone can find someone...   I can relate to you on the subject of Pain, but the game pieces are placed on the board differently.  To me the way I deal with pain is humor.  This is how I am.  But there is nothing funny about your situation.  Nothing.  And there is nothing I can say, I just hope the best for you.  Truce ok? 
And let me add something about those relatives......before I get misinterpretted.  Before I get blamed for not enough information.  The sheriff has their phone number on the front page of his address book ok and they are in and out of jail.  Hasn't anyone ever heard of the Mountain People?  And they live by a different set of rules.  And some of them don't even have addresses.  And some of them there kids don't go to school. And in certain places EVEN THE COPS REFUSE TO GO.  So there is NOTHING I can do to help any of them.  NOTHING, except whisper a little prayer for them at church and hope to God for a miracle.
 
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September 12, 2005, 5:23 pm PDT

WHY?

OK, OK, OK I hear you.  I think there was 25 TMI response comments.  Can we change the subject?       

        

Most people posting on this board are victims with their stories, but isn't this show about both sides.  BUT  when stuff like this happens and you read it in the newspaper or wherever it happens, MY QUESTION IS ALWAYS:  WHY?  WHY?  WHY?  What caused this situation or person to get to this point? 

The 60's, 70's and 80's were this very FREE so to speak era on the subject of sex.  It was a revolution kind of like the political revolutions that took places on college campuses.  Like I remember being in school and you'd all be staring out the bus after school with your binoculars watching who was doing what with who for 15 minutes.  I mean couples would hang on each other all the time, all day long.  And the teachers did nothing.  NOW  my daughter is in high school  and they aren't allowed to do anything.  I was a chaperone at a dance and they were allowed to touch each other's shoulders with 18 inches of space between their bodies.  There bodies are not allowed to touch.   Teachers enforce things and kids have to sneak to do those things.  Back when I went to school, it was all out in the open.  And here I am not talking about molesting, but just the subject of sex and affection.     I would go as far to say even drugs were out in the open back then.  And do people on drugs have the first clue or control of what they are doing?  HELLO?  Does anyone else live in the same world as me?  Could this more FREE sexual era be the reason for the first families situation 20 years ago?  I don't know.  I am asking?    

        

OK, but changing the subject back to the topic:   When you have situations with children nowadays.  Who is to blame?  If a  child somehow gets their hands on their parents um well let's just say sexual paraphenelia or playboy magazine..... and he decides he's going to try  this out somewhere... who is to blame?  The parent for not locking the stuff out of reach?  The parent for not being home or not having supervision?  the person who 1st introduced the kid to any of this? or the totally the kid?  or a little bit of all? Who is to blame?         

        

When you start getting into adults who've been arrested and served jail time yada yada.  Who is to blame?  Is it the system for putting this criminal in a cell with another person who has molested someone?  AND DUH?  Is that changing their behavior?  We just say WHO CARES they deserve it... and they don't have a life sentence but sit there for 5 years or so cellmates with another child molester and sharing their tricks of the trade.... and WE WONDER when they get out.... I WONDER WHY THEY DID IT AGAIN?      

        

I am not the expert on this subject.  I don't know what the perfect rehab program is.... but the current one is not working if you look at statistics.....       

        

 
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September 12, 2005, 5:30 pm PDT

A Memorial

I was watching the reenactment of the World Trade Center Tragedy last night for 9/11.  I know we've seen it before, but it was sooooo overwhelming.  BUT one thing I saved from back then was a newspaper clipping of ALL of the victims names and a paragraph on each of them of their college education, their family life, their hobbies etc.  ONE BY ONE.  It was really a beautiful tribute and memorial.  I feel like I know many of them now because I took the time to read thru that newspaper.  This may be too soon to request this, but I think this would be a great Memorial idea to remember those also who died in Hurricaine Katrina. It also is so overwhelming and heartbreaking.
 
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September 12, 2005, 7:03 pm PDT

PANIC ATTACKS

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I don't know what response you want but I wouldn't want a person with your thinking to adopt this little boy and have him live a dont' tell me thats TMI world. 

  

That will only make his problem worse. 

  

I am almost 32 and dealing with my childhood abuse that was never talked about and right now I am barely making it because all of a sudden EVERYTHING is hitting me like a brick. 

  

I do not have amoment during the day that I am without the feeling of panic and dread.  

  

So I don't know what your trying to say on these boards but you cannot live in a bublle and expect all of us abused to just get over it and never talk about it. 

  

  

I do not relate to this at all. This is one reason I have not responded to your comment, but I do appreciate your sharing your view and shedding light on the subject.  And I also read some of the other folks comments on the subject.  I think I lean a little on the ADHD side of things and am always thinking of what I am going to do next and I do not live ever in the past except of grandparent grieving loss stuff at times.  And I will add I grew up in a more crime infested city than I am living in now.  I learned very young to be streetwise and know who is around me or following and when I needed the cops.  Now the city I live in now is very safe and I consider myself very blessed that I don't live in fear  always looking in front and behind me when I was younger, but crime can happen anywhere.  And I know alot of places offer free self defense classes or streetwise tips.
 
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September 12, 2005, 7:56 pm PDT

"Even the Cops Refuse to Go..."

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While you are whispering your little prayer and hoping for a miracle for those relatives of yours, be sure to keep telling yourself there is nothing you can do.  Thats a good way for you to be able to sleep at night.  That, along with being offended over shows with 'too much info.' like this one, should be able to keep you in peaceful sleep for years to come. 

  

A word of advice, be careful not to allow yourself to think of all the people who took a stand and fought for innocent children.  Of course, we did have to bring up all that nasty yucky information you have such problems with.   But then,  future innocents were protected because of it.  So... its a trade off.  A good one if you ask me! 

  

Sweet dreams MissJane. 

???????  Did you miss that statement?  Well if you think you can do a better job than me, more power to you.  But the cops are smarter than me on the subject of crime and know when to step forward and when to step back.  But maybe you are not familiar with this group of people or you wouldn't have said that.   And I learned from this show not to feel guilty for what I didn't do.  I am not going to feel guilt for someone else's crime.  The one who did it should feel that.  I can feel COMPASSION for the one being injured, but some situations need a SWAT team.... like the one in Louisianna.  Sweet Dreams to you to!
 

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