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August 23, 2005, 11:44 am PDT

Teen Dating

Quote From: poetmom

When my children tell me at 12 that they have a girlfriend/boyfirend, it doesn't bother me at all...because what they mean by that is they like that person, that person likes them, and they have admitted it to each other. They don't see each other outside of school, unless they go to our church, and they never see each other in an unsupervised atmosphere. They do NOT go out on dates, in groups or one on one, at 12...it is simply not allowed here, no matter what their friends may be allowed to do. Set rules, and stick to them--although, with him living with his father, you would have to have HIS cooperation as well.  

So basically you do not allow your kids to have friends of the opposite sex right? They cannot go out in groups at the age of 12? Or is that only when they've told you they "like each other and have admitted it?  Sounds to me like once they tell you about it, they won't be allowed to see this person, except at school.  Whether you realize it or not, you are creating an atmosphere where your kids have to lie or withhold the truth in order to maintain friendships.  When you are so rigid in your rules, you send a strong message that your kids are not to be trusted.  Don't fool yourself about church.  I witnessed many teens making out under pews, behind doors, etc. as a lot of parents out there think everything's wonderfully safe at church.  Guess where the kids with all the insane rules go to let loose - YOUTH GROUP!!!! And this is also where the troubled kids hang too (ditto for the child molesters but that's a whole other story) Rather than coming up with "the rules" (like no dating till your 16, what a joke), know your kids and talk to them and communicate about life.... as it happens- whether its your magic "16" number or 15 or 14 or 18 years old.  Let your child live and be there to support them along the way.   

 

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August 23, 2005, 11:59 am PDT

Teen Dating

Quote From: poetmom

In our home, dating is done to find a future mate....no child needs to be looking for a future mate. Since we don't want to encourage marriage before college graduation, we discourage dating for as long as possible. I agree that it doesn't work for everyone, but it does for us.  :)

Wow are you ever "in control" . If dating is done to find a future mate, why in the world would you allow your 16 yr old to be looking for a husband? That is scary.  You don't want to encourage marriage before college graduation? You should be supporting (not encouraging) marriage when your son or daughter has found the love of their life, not according to your schedule - after 16 but not before college.  Dating is meant to be a time of discovery - about ourselves, our likes, dislikes, etc. - a time to meet new people.  Whose life is it?  You don't know if its working because you are barely out of the gates, I would love to chat in ten years. Then we can see if its working for you.   

 

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hopeful
August 26, 2005, 3:51 pm PDT

To Tracy and Scott

"We got married because she got pregnant, and I was trying to do the right thing. And hopefully, I thought in my mind that we could fall in love, you know, eventually, and that did happen," Scott explains. "The love that I have for her has grown over time."
 

Tracy... no wonder you are insecure.  I can't imagine how much that must hurt to know this is how he felt when he married you.  Everyone dreams of their wedding day, marrying your prince, madly in love - being pregnant is not part of the fantasy.  The doubts and insecurity I experienced as a result took me 10 years to get over - and that was with an amazing, loving husband.  I can't even begin to imagine how you coped when you found out he was also cheating.  You need to take care of you, and learn to trust him again.  I believe him when he says he loves you and you need to, as well.  I would strongly recommend re-doing your wedding vows.  I would start over and take a trip as your second honeymoon.  You need new memories and pictures plus you could probably use the holiday.  Does walking on the beach, sand in your toes, holding hands, etc. sound like a good idea? The most important thing would be to say your vows as you look into each other's eyes and renew your commitment to be faithful, for life.  I think it would be very helpful to begin a new chapter.  I sincerely wish you well. 

  

Nancy 

 

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hopeful
September 12, 2005, 9:28 am PDT

mdearest

I just read your post of your 40th birthday.  I was reading along about the kids, dinner, etc. thinking oh how nice - it sounds so encouraging (you might save your marriage) when WHAM the whole plate of dinner thing.  I want you to know that I actually felt my heart hurt for you.  I can't imagine having to experience that and how much it must have hurt.  Your husband was an insensitive dumb ass (Men are from Mars)  If you are truly wanting to try to save your marriage (and there is always hope) I would watch "The Story of Us" with Bruce Willis and Michelle Pfeiffer - maybe watch it alone to see what you think first but this movie has made a big difference for a few couples I know. 

  

I have been through a lot in the last few years and I want to encourage you that no matter what you face, you do have the strength and courage inside of you to make it.  I am woman, hear me roar!!! 

  

Nancy 

  

 

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September 16, 2005, 9:58 am PDT

Arguing Over Money

Quote From: connolly2

I just looked at you vitals and it says you are from Colorado HAHAHAH thats where I want to move my family to.... Actually 20-30 miles outside Denver to the north....  small world....

 

Funny joke that i feel my wife is the punch line to

 

Women is flood and a boat comes by and they say come withus and she reploes "No the Lord will provide"

 

River getting higher and a boats comes again and the women responds " No the lorad will provide"

 

the river comes to the top of the house and a hilcopter comes by drops a ladder and tells her we will pull to safety and the womens says" No the Lord will provide"

 

The women dies and meet so GOD in heaven and she asks him why didn't you provide and God say" What do you mean I sent 2 boats and a hilocopter what more do you need?"

 

 

My wife is alwasy praying for God to help and its almost funny because I can jsut imagine the conversation in heaven. " What do you mean I sent you 250,000 in equity a good job to go to and a family(my sister and her family and my mom) in Colorado what more did you need?"

I don't know if you'll read this because its been a while.  Hopefully you have moved.  If not,  this is what I would recommend.  Why don't you contact a realtor, line up some very nice, affordable houses and take her there for a romantic weekend getaway and show her what she could have.  Maybe she can't see the forest for the trees.  She sounds very busy and I would certainly jump at the chance for a more relaxing lifestyle.  It sounds like you have faith so I would really pray hard for God to open her mind and her heart.  We had a beautiful new home in the most sought-after neighborhood.  I found this total fixer-upper on acreage and it was such a mess, no-one could see the potential.  We had always dreamed about a project like this but we were very comfortable in our fancy shmancy house.  My husband was overwhelmed when he saw it (it really was a HUGE mess) and wouldn't consider it.  I prayed and hard cause I felt that this was our home.  The realtor called a week later to say the price had dropped and my husband said, let's take another look.  He fell in love with it and we have been here for just over a year.  With the hard work we have done, the value has increase $150,000.  I stay home and our mortgage is only $700 a month.  We are on wood heat (no gas) and on a well ( no water meters).  You need to seriously work on showing your wife the benefits - maybe even suggest a one year trial to see if its the right move.  All I know is that alot of people are so focussed on watching for the signs that they miss them completely, like your story.   

 

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September 29, 2005, 9:25 am PDT

Jill and Steve

 have seen most of my friends put their kids on medication because they are "out of control" or "acting out".  It makes me sick.  A couple of things I noticed that would really help your situation.  You both said you are NOT on the same page and never have been.  I believe that this has created more problems than you realize.  You guys need to figure this out and NOW.  Kids need consistency.  You said that he refused to sleep in his bed till he was like 5.  How did he know there was another option?  The baby sleeps in the basinette.  Then a crib.  When he is a "big boy" he gets his very own toddler bed... and so on.  My kids never slept with us and my husband and I remained connected as friends and most importantly...lovers.  I also noticed that you didn't say please when making your demands.  I always said you need to do this, please (I want them to have manners, I need to be an example).  When there was resistance, I would explain the consequences and then follow through.  You also said you never go out on "dates".  Find a sitter to come over after the kids are in bed and wine and dine your hubby at a nearby pub.  If you really can't get out, buy a nice bottle of wine and make dinner for the two of you after the kids are in bed.  I have watched many friends split, kids are an absolute mess and on meds and alot of times it was so unavoidable.  I am not a professional but at the age of 36 I have an amazing 18 year relationship with my darling.  My 14 and 13 yr old kids are on the honor roll and are doing very well.  Its working for us.  It can work for you.  Incidentally, we have survived financial ruin, my brother getting hit by a stray bullet (the murderer sits in jail for at least 13 years), my daughter being molested by "dad" while I was supporting my mom and siblings during court, the subsequent loss of my family (it didn't really happen), etc.  Its been a tough road but still through love, communication and commitment, my little family is stronger than ever.  I wish you well and hope that you are open to change.  It broke my heart to see both you and your husband crying together.  You need each other, take care of each other and remember that when the kids are grown up, you will still have each other - if you don't water the garden (by dating, sex, happy home life) it will wither and die.  You need to be strong together and then you can provide a united team to your kids and future grandkids. 
 

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October 11, 2005, 11:52 am PDT

10/10 Wifestyles

I had two kids within 18 months when I was 21.  My husband was 22. I know what busy is.  COME ON!!!  I had the house cleaned, laundry done, etc. and was at the park with the kids and a picnic, by lunchtime most days.  When my husband came home, the kids would go crazy - Daddy !!!! and then after 10-15 min. they would go back to playing as they understood that Mommy and Daddy needed to hang out too.  I took the time to make myself look good for him and we both looked forward to seeing each other .  I had usually baked something yummy and had a nice drink poured for him (us) when he came home.  We always sat down together to talk.   Later, while I cooked dinner, he played with the kids.  I was the ONLY one out of all my friends that bought nice lingerie on a regular basis.  I remember buying a black mini slip cause he liked the feel of the satin but I couldn't afford more than $7 at the time.  Now I am buying $200 corsettes and $400 thigh high boots and I feel confident, sexy and powerful.  The kids are now 14 and 13 and guess what? We are the only ones who are still together and more importantly - VERY happy.  I married a "Dr. Phil" type who said years ago that he knew he was a good husband if I could walk into the stadium (seats 60,000) and know that I was the most loved and best treated wife there.  We had no idea what we were doing - neither of us had real good examples but love and the desire to make each other happy were enough.  And how busy am I now? I am usually done my "job" by oh 10-11:00 a.m.  Then I go shopping, for lunch with girlfriends or whatever I want to do.  My hubby gets home around 2 p.m. and we hang out, playing basketball or badminton, or whatever and the kids get home about two hours later.  We have plenty to say to each other and the sex is incredible.  When the kids both have overnight plans,  each of us knows wink wink, that an incredible date night is on the way.  We had our kids young and there were many times that a $5 bottle of wine and playing cards was date night.  Because we took care of our marriage, we are still going strong as the kids grow up and out.  And we are more financially well off than everybody we know.  My husband was free to give 100% at work because I stood behind him.  Overtime? No problem, I was home.  Had to go out of town? No problem, I was home.  I also respected the money he (we) earned and did my best to spend it wisely and now that we have shared 18 happy years together, we can afford the nicer things in life.  I am proud to take care of him and be taken care of... by him. 

 

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October 26, 2005, 9:11 am PDT

10/26 More Sex With Kim Cattrall!

Quote From: missjane2

Since I have posted everything else about my life on this board....  You know when I got married I had absolutely ZERO sexual hang ups.  I have been married 15 yrs and thinking in terms of some of the principles on this show... I wonder how I would have handled this problem differently 10 years ago because 10 years is how long this has been happening.  The problem is WEIRD TIME.  I think when someone is OCD it enters every aspect of their life including the bedroom.  The only time my husband wants sex is 3 am like clock work and then he eats a bowl of cereal.  I mean 10 friggin years of that.  Now you could have danced around in all types of Victoria Secret stuff.... but nope we had TV shows to watch and then had to fall asleep for 3 hours, and then wake up and have sex.  Even if you were working that morning and had to be up at 6 am it didn't matter...... And  How do I feel about this?  if I work the next day I hate it.  Cuz you lose something from having your sleep repeatedly interupted and then have to work hard at work.  This may be a distorted perception, but I almost feel as though I was molested by my husband as an adult and I have never been molested by anyone.  And I don't have a problem with sex, but it is so um what I call Domestic Prostitution:  Sex in a Marriage for Money.  **laugh**  Cuz it is not emotional and not about love, but about just one person's selfishness.... 
I have also been married for 15 years and I cannot believe what you have been living with. "I mean 10 friggin years of that" I actually burst out laughing here by myself. And then I continued reading and I am in shock. That is complete and total abuse - I agree with you - you are being molested by your husband. What the hell is he wanting it at 3 am for? And the cereal? COME ONE!!! How can you possibly be a sexual goddess when you are yanked from sleep to his need for sex? He needs to understand this immediately. I wonder how much happier you could both be if you felt in love with him and had a satisfying sex life (Miss Adventurous Zero Hangups :) I can't imagine living that way and I want you to know that I admire and commend you for hanging in there for ten years. You are amazing. Now get him fixed or start thinking about yourself because I bet your spirit gets a little more crushed with each passing year. Mine would.
 

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November 23, 2005, 10:46 am PST

11/21 Childhood Secrets

In 2002, my brother was killed as he stood inside a pub (there for a "19th" birthday party), by a bullet that came through the door from outside.  The innocent victim of a random act of violence.  It was horrific.  Court was very traumatic as they were all gangsters who came out in huge numbers to intimidate the 60 eye witnesses.  A week before the 2nd degree murder trial was to start, our family was just sick with anxiety.  Since my brother's death we had all grown incredibly close.  As the oldest, I handled the relentless media attention. I arranged my brother's funeral.  I was told the graphic details and then had to tell my family.  I lost my job because I was told to choose between my job or my "family responsibilities".  Of course I chose my family.  But its against the law to even force that on an employee.  Victims of Crime Act.  A jealous psycho woman in the neighborhood decided this was a good time to spread some really disgusting lies about what I had apparently said about other people.  The unfortunate thing was her mother was like my best friend and like my Mom (I live 5 hours away from my family) so the relationship was instantly over yet they lived across the street.  My home, became my prison of hell.  If I went outside all the chatty neighbors just loved to stand there and talk about me. Pointing and all.    Anyways a week before the trial, I was a nervous wreck.  Everytime we were in court, we escorted by armed sheriffs back to our car.  It was scary.  So one week before the trial on the Sunday night, I am tucking my 12 yr old daughter in bed and she asks me what does sexually molested mean.  I was shocked but maintained my composure and said it was touching inapprporiately and things like that.  She then told me that she had been talking to her friend Cali and Cali had told her that Cali's grandpa had molested her mother.  I know the family so I instantly figured out who was the abuser and made a mental note.  I said oh my goodness that's terrible .... feeling so sorry for Cali's mom. And then my daughter says does that mean kissing too? And I said yes definitely.  And to my horror, she bursts out crying and says MOMMY its happening to me!!!!! My heart literally felt like it stopped and I immediately burst out crying and hug her and says oh honey no, I"m so sorry and then I said in a quiet voice - who?  And forever etched in my memory, she says "Opa" - my father.  I was holding her and bawling and I said when? And she says everytime we go down for court.  And I said how long, honey, do you remember when he started. And she says after Uncle was murdered.  The shock and betrayel I felt still haunts me today.  I was helping my parents with the tragic loss of their son and my father is sticking his disgusting tongue into my precious 11 yr's mouth as she is trying to also deal with the shock of losing her really cool, famous uncle.  Thanks alot Dad he filthy f***.  I drove the next morning all 6 hours to tell my mother.  When I showed up she was shocked and said - oh sweetheart your eyes, what's WRONG!!! I have never seen your eyes so sad, not even with <your brother>.  I said that's because my heart is completely broken Mom.  ANd then I told her.  She freaked and when he got home the hell began.  For 6 hours I heard the most horrible things.  I had the phone in my hand to call the cops and I still regret not calling.  He totally admitted and his defence? My 11 sweet innocent child - seduced him a 63 yr old (pedophile apparently).  I have tried to move on the words I heard that night still haunt me.   So the murder trial started the next Monday and in the meantime I stopped in a the police station after dropping the kids off at school.  I wanted to look into what kind of help to get my daughter.  So a nice kind cop asks me how he can help and I didn't know how to answer so I told him and the next thing I know I have to bring my daughter down to the station for a statement.  So after school I talk to my girl and she agrees to give a statement.  We went down and I heard her tell the horror of it.  It was taped and then the cop tells me that there is definitely grounds for several charges and he will be forwarding the file to <town> because that's where it happened (6 hours away).  So now I have my father about to be arrested for abusing my daughter while a murder trial is starting because this is not a nightmare but yes somebody actually did shoot your brother in the head and this is not Law & Order but your life right now.  And then one day turns into another and nobody from my family called.  It has now turned into "sweep it under the carpet as usual scenario" and yes people that's the last time I saw or talked to my family.   I got cut out of the family and that was over two years ago.  But the most beautiful thing is that we didn't lose a family.  We had an evil cancer in the family that should have been cut out.  My parents should have divorced 20 years ago and if my mother ever needed a good reason to kick him to the curb, this was it.  And she chose to stay.  And chose him over me, my husband, and her only two grandkids.  I will never understand.  We however, moved on and our kids are doing wonderfully.  We talked openly about things I mean its horrible, we have absolutely no family other than the four of us.  But we adopted my best friend's family and they are Nanny and Poppa to my kids, and they have two aunts and uncles and four cousins.  And they are more family than my real family ever was.  So it is possible to move on.  I just wish I could erase the memories because they do just get in my head and the horrible nightmares I sometimes have sicken me.  But I won't give anyone the power to ruin my life, my marriage or my kids' lives.  And the cool thing is that throughout this our kids know that we are there for them and always will be. 

 

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November 23, 2005, 10:56 am PST

Thank you

Quote From: srndpty333

I am also the only one in my family who "speaks" about the sexual abuse that has gone on in my family in the past...I have been shunned ...I have no family...my children have no relatives...sometimes I feel they resent me for it too...Christmas is the hardest...it's hard for me to find someone to talk about it with as they mistake my grief for wanting my family back...I don't...I just need to grieve the loss and move on but I'm having a hard time doing that...maybe it will never go away...the feeling of being abandoned and sacrificed for what?  shame...secrecy...a facade of a "normal" family...what a joke...cowards all of them.  My family is so sick and toxic I would die of the "craziness" if I entered back into that pit.  I just pray to God he will show me the method behind this madness...I feel like I am supposed to do something with this but I dont' know what yet...my daughter is 19 and will be leaving the nest soon...I will be alone for the first time in my life...I am terrified...I am so jaded by childhood sexual abuse and failed relationships I wonder what the h*ll I will do with myself...I have started writing letters about child sexual abuse...I had one published in the editorial of a local newspaper and I wrote a 3 page letter to a judge begging he hand down the maximum to a local radio announcer caught with 199 peices of child porn on his computer...he only got 1 year and I've heard it's possible he only do one 6th of his sentence...makes me weary...I was depressed for days after hearing about children being sold into child sex rings in Aruba on the show the other day...sometimes when I am depressed I read inspirational quotes...I found this one...I will read it everytime I am overwhelmed by the enormity of this problem on our planet... 

  

When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always.
- Mahatma Gandhi

 

I could have written your post word for word about my life.  My kids are 13 and 14.  Thankfully I do have my husband and we havea  very good marriage.  I want to thank you for your quote from Ghandi. I also am affected and overwhelmed by the sickness on our planet and still cannot stop thinking about that show in Aruba.  What can I as one person do?  I pray for the answer soon because I have the passion and anger to do something and big.  I know I will be provided with an outlet as I have gone through alot.  Keep trying to making a difference and if you want to maybe brainstorm with me on ideas about taking action, please feel free to email me at owenancy@cablelan.net.  I am in Western Canada. 

  

 

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