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February 26, 2006, 3:20 pm PST

SIMPLE

Dealing with cheating is simple as far as I'm concerned.  No turning back, no negotiating, nothing.  I do not believe cheating can be reconciled, and I would end my relationship immediately if there was infidelity (as I have in the past).  Its not up for discussion, and I don't understand how people can feel otherwise. I could never allow a cheater to lay a hand on me ever again. I would be interested in hearing an opinion on the subject that differs from mine- unless its to tell me some "for the sake of the children" story.  I would never want to set an example for my children that infidelity is acceptable.  I think having children is MORE of a reason to split up if there is infidelity- show them how unacceptable it really is.
 
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February 26, 2006, 3:22 pm PST

Say Bye

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I recently found suspicious evidence that my husband of 22 years may be cheating.... again. He moved out of our bedroom in December into the spare room, but wouldn't say why. He's been verbally abusive since last summer and I couldn't take it any more so I left to stay with friends in Dalls for two weeks after Christmas. He called every day I was away with our daughter. Go figure.The credit card bills showed parking fees at the airport and a seafood restaurant charge on Valentine's Day. He gave me nothing for Valentine's day, just wished me a happy one. The evidence I found was on the passenger side floor of my car that he's been using to drive to work. It was a small red satin heart with "I love you" on it. Neither my daughter or I had been in the car all week since Valentine's Day. It was as much as finding a love letter in his shirt pocket the way I found out about the other affair. Previously, he had conducted a cybersex affair that included phone sex with a married woman he'd met through work. He swore up and down he'd go to counselling and try hard to be a family, but we didn't finish counselling and we never learned why he conducted his affairs online in the first place. Obviously, that continues to be his problem. Now, he's been verbally abusive, angers easily and tries to blame and call me names as if he's trying to justify his infidelity. I've got his number, though. I'm so crushed that he changed so radically after the birth of our daughter 14 years ago that I hardly know this is the man I married. Although I have that image in my mind and love it, I realise now, he's not that person any more. I doubt very much that he'll get over his denial and face who and what he really is. I'm feeling the loss intensely now but I hope I can get over it so I can move on with my life. All advice on how to do that is welcome!
 Say bye... what's to contemplate?  See my post entiteld "SIMPLE"
 
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March 1, 2006, 12:52 pm PST

Still Simple

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It's not that easy if you have years of happy memories with your Significant Other, especially if they get down on their hands and knees and beg and say that they can change.  It's hard to turn your back on someone that you donated years of your life to and just walk away.
I'm trying to understand this through reading these other posts, but I don't.  The begging would not have done it for me.  While seeing him down on his knees begging, I'd be picturing him w/the other woman.   Also, he should think about the "years of happy memories" prior to getting in bed w/someone else.  A cheater does not have my sympathy.
 
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March 1, 2006, 12:55 pm PST

NO!

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Naw, you not carzy for trying again.  go withyour heart.  if you think he is not That is good.  Always trust your heart, but don't let it interfere with your intuition.
This is some of the most delusional, mis-guided advice I have ever read.  If he was "that good", he wouldn't be sleeping around with multiple other women.  Use your head, your heart is what got you into this mess!
 
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March 1, 2006, 12:57 pm PST

Congrats

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 It's not as simple as that. I am thankful everyday that my , now husband but boyfriend then, not only forgave me but did so twice and for the unthinkable, cheating with friends of his. But if he hadn't forgiven me then we wouldn't have the absolute joy of our son that makes each day worth living for me.  I look at my precious soon to be one year old baby boy and I thank my husband for forgiving me and getting past my mistakes.  If you can forgive and work together to get past and learn from the mistakes then your relationship can end up being stronger than ever.  We appreciate each other more today (together for 15 years now, married for almost 5 of those) and I cherish him and have the utmost respect for him.    

 Well, I'm glad it worked out for you.  Hope he doesn't have any more cute friends.
 
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March 1, 2006, 12:59 pm PST

YES!

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I have to agree with you COMPLETELY!  I too have ended past relationships because of infidelity.  I know I deserve to be respected and I won't accept anything less.  My husband and I have both been cheated on and therefore know what kind of pain it can cause.   I would not stay together for the children either.  In my case it would do them more harm than good because I wouldn't be able to forgive him and my children would see the lack of respect.  I want my children to know that they deserve to be loved and treated with respect and that they don't have to and shouldn't settle.  Respect me or be gone is how I feel. 
 You are smart.  I like your insight and concern for your children.
 
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March 1, 2006, 1:07 pm PST

Stereotype

Quote From: cassie1981

It is obvious that neither one of you has children. 

  

I have been a cheater, and have been cheated on. It is an individual decision to reconcile, or to end the relationship and start over. 

  

Everyone is entitled to make their own choices, and should not be influenced to end a relationship because of it. 

 It is obvious that you are one of those people who subscribe to the stereotype that people without children are less qualified to discuss relationships than people who have them.  The difference between you and I is that you used your uterus already and I haven't yet.  You are not more qualified to speak on this issue because you may be more fertile.
 
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March 1, 2006, 1:49 pm PST

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My husband of 9 years recently cheated, right after we had our second child.  He was always amazing even for the first month when the baby and I were at home.  He took care of me because I had a csection and of the baby and my daughter.  Later things became crazy around the house, he blamed me for pushing a second child on him.  Refused to ever communicate with me openly about anything and I put up with that crap.  In order to make him happy, I lost myself and lost so much in the exchange.  Im angry that I had a hunch but I didnt pursue it, I'm angry that I lost myself to please him.  I'm angry that I let him get away with unacceptable behavior so many times, including when he stopped treating me like royalty.  I'm angry for understanding his frustruations and giving him the right of way all the time.  I completely ignored my frustruations and put everyone else before myself.  We are going to see a marriage counselor but I constantly wonder is it really worth it.  I know myself and I think I'll always feel recentment.   I find myself facing millions of deamons everyday and I often wonder isn't just easier to walk away with the children and start clean slate.  I hate having to go through this mental anguish because he made a mistake...this sucks anyone have any advice.  Should I give my relationship a second chance....I love him but love alone does not make one happy.  So what should I do.
 No one can tell you what to do.  Try thinking about what you would want your daughter to do of she was in this situation.  It sounds like you and your husband both harbor a great deal of resentment for one another, for different reasons.  Something that concerns me about you is that I don't see any accountability from you- I don't mean for the cheating, that is obviously his fault- but for the deterioration of your marriage.  You don't sound like you take any responsibility for that, like you did nothing wrong and he just started acting poorly.  Maybe that is what he resents.

 
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March 1, 2006, 1:54 pm PST

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I have two children.  NOT sure that qualifies me more than the next person.  But it is all about the character of the person and HOW the cheater is building back that trust.  NOT all marriages can be saved and SOME should NOT be saved at all. Bottom line.  Maybe because you have cheated, you can see that part of you in that scene.  BUT not all of us can forget and live with that pain and disrespect and we shouldn't have to.
 What are you talking about?  I haven't cheated- I never said that in any of my previous posts.  I have been saying that no one should put up w/cheating. 
 
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May 26, 2006, 5:45 pm PDT

reply to: was it worth it?

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 I have a question for all you women how are living with your boyfriends... I dont care for how long.  

  

 Was it worth it ?  Do you find you have an equal partnership ?  Pros Cons ? Is/isn't what you thought it would be  ? 

  

  

 Well, it is worth it.  Even if it doesn't work out, at least I'll know.  I would not marry someone I didn't live with first.  Also, I would not marry until living on my own.  I have done both. I think people who miss out on these experiences don't go into marriage prepared.  Sure, you can make the argument that people change after marriage so no one really knows what they're getting, but things like: "does he snore?  is he a slob?  is he horrible with money?"  are questions that can only be answered by living with someone.

Equal partnership?  Definitely not.  I do 90% of the housework, but I prefer it that way b/c I am a perfectionist when it comes to cleaning and I'd rather do it myself.  I'd be lying if I said I wasn't exhausted, but maybe I'd be exhausted either way.

Pros: companionship, excellent conversation on a daily basis, stability, learning more about each other every day, preparing for marriage

Cons: lack of privacy, concern that he is sick of me (i.e.-bored, not attracted to me b/c he sees me too much), disagreements over decorating, not being able to have friends over that he doesn't like

It is what I thought it would be?  Well, nothing ever is.  A lot of women go into living with a man with an unrealistic notion that they can mold or change him.  Too many women think this way and it is ridiculous.  I think this belief is the root of many fights between co-habitating couples.  Living together is a great way to help you decide if the situation is something you want to sign up for for the rest of your life.
 

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