Messages By: lactivist7

Yes I was wondering the same thing.    :)  

How do you know what the motive was in inviting the father?  She said it was because she felt it was important for children to have a relationship with their father when it was possible. 

It is obvious some of you people have never been in a situation where you felt desperate to protect a child. 

I can't say there is anything these 2 women have done that I would have done differently except maybe to have taken the child and gone into hiding after the torn labia incident.  But how did she know the "system" would fail her and her child. 

His explanation for what happened to this child concerning this incident is ridiculous.  When a child does something and they get hurt that bad.... they will bleed and start crying immediately... you will know what happened because a three year old can tell you. 

I am starting to think that "parental alienation" is usually just a synonym for "abuse excuse".     :(

Since 60% of children graduate from high school only reading at a 4th grade level or below, I would hardly say I should trust my child's education to so-called "experts". 

Teachers are great for the most part and if they were unleashed from unions, bureaucracy and governmental politics, than maybe children could be truly educated. 

Maybe schools could be made over to offer a mastery based education that focuses on academics and teaching children self control and discipline instead of so called "outcome based" education and amorality. 

Gee?  what is it my children are missing out on?  Being bullied, being passed on from one grade to the next even though they are making c's and d's and have not mastered the foundation to move on successfully?  Or is it the sex in the back seat of the limo on glorious "prom" night?

When my children are ill, then we determine whether or not it requires a "professional".  At least if I choose to take them to a medical professional "I" choose who they go  to, they are not just assigned within a certain district with no choice PERIOD.

I could say so much more....  but I will save it for other posts on this board.  The whole issue is so black and white to the thinking individual.

We homeschool.   One of my daughters is in 8th grade and test post high school in every subject but one on her standardized tests last year and that one subject was math where she tested at grade level.  My other daughter is in 3rd grade and tested 4th to 6th grade level in every subject on her standardized tests last year.

 I don't know where your homeschooled students are coming from... but this is certainly not true across the board.  AND.. consider how many homeschoolers have won the national spelling bee and national geography bee in recent years. 

And how many of those kids in your classes are behind and have been in government school since Kindergarten but passed on from grade to grade with C's and D's instead of being required to master the information?

My children make all A's because they are not allowed to move on to new subject matter until I know they have mastered what they are already working on!  Education is about mastery.. not keeping up with peers or being passed on from one uniformly prescribed grade to another!

Dr. Phil said he had seen research to support the idea that  homeschoolers are not properly  "socialized".  I want to see it... in black and white.  Where is it?  Because all of the research I have seen and life experience (after having taught in public school, private school and homeschool) shows me different.  My 2 oldest homeschoolers are 14 and 16. What are they missing out on?  My 14 yod is very mature and described by others as a "joy to be around" on a regular basis.  She does not act like "boys" are the only reason for life, she has not participated in irresponsible behavior and values the opinions of her parents.  My son, who is very easily influenced has not became involved in drugs and sexual promiscuity.  Not properly socialized?  The whole socialization issue is laughable as she said on the show.  I want to see this so called research Dr. Phil? And while you are at it.. check out the research done by the National Homeschool Education Research Institute, not just the research done by the NEA.

Why didn't Dr. Phil choose to invite homeschoolers who are considered "experts" in the field of homeschooling? Such as attorneys from the Home School Legal Defense Association or parents of grown homeschoolers who have excelled far beyond most of their public schooled peers?  There are some awesome representatives of the homeschool movement who speak at our national conventions, etc.  None of them were invited to have an intelliegent debate on schooling?  Why?

This is another thing that makes my blood boil!  If  8  hours a day is not enough... then there is a problem!  I had my kids in public school for awhile and when they started coming home with 2 hours worth of homework in grade school and I saw that it was just a bunch of "busy work", I knew I could do better! 

Yes, I may be college educated and I have had tons of classes related to child development and education... but I have seen other homeschool moms who are not college educated who do as great of a job or even better than I do with homeschooling. 

The whole idea that moms can nurture their children, teach them to talk, potty train them, take them through the terrible twos, etc. and CANNOT continue the progression of teaching them reading, writing and arithmetic (when the curriculum lays it out for you step by step) is just absolutely the most one-sided, ludicrous thing I have ever heard. 

Do we really have so many public schooled zombies in our society that are just programmed to think like they are told to think?

Dr. Phil says history is a valuable  teacher.  Here are the names of some famous homeschoolers (yes... some of them UNSCHOOLED)

 ARTISTS:  

• Leonardo da Vinci  
• Claude Monet  |
•  John Singleton Copley  |
• Andrew Wyeth  
• Jamie Wyeth |
•  
• COMPOSERS:

• Irving Berlin |
• Anton Bruckner  |
• Felix Mendelssohn  |
• Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart |
• Francis Poulenc  |

EDUCATORS:  

• Frederick Terman (Stanford University President)   |
• William Samuel Johnson (Columbia University President) |
• Frank Vandiver (Texas A&M University President)  
• John Witherspoon (Princeton University President) 

GENERALS:  

• Stonewall Jackson  |
• Robert E. Lee |
• Douglas MacArthur  |
• George Patton |

INVENTORS:  

• Alexander Graham Bell |
• Thomas Edison |
• Cyrus McCormick |
• Wright Brothers: Orville and Wilbur Wright |

PRESIDENTS:  

• John Quincy Adams
• William Henry Harrison
• Thomas Jefferson
• Abraham Lincoln
• James Madison
• Franklin Delano Roosevelt
• Theodore Roosevelt
• John Tyler
• George Washington
• Woodrow Wilson

PREACHERS & RELIGIOUS LEADERS:  

• Moses
• Joan of Arc
• John the Baptist
• William Cary
• Jonathan Edwards
• Phillip Melanchthon
• Dwight L. Moody
• John Newton
• John Owen
• Charles Wesley
• John Wesley
• Brigham Young

SCIENTISTS:  

• George Washington Carver
• Pierre Curie
• Albert Einstein
• Blaise Pascal
• Booker T. Washington

STATESMEN:  

• Konrad Adenauer
• Winston Churchill
• Benjamin Franklin
• Patrick Henry
• William Penn
• Henry Clay

U.S SUPPREME COURT JUDGES:  

• John Jay
• John Marshall
• John Rutledge

WRITERS:  

• Hans Christian Andersen
• Pearl S. Buck
• Agatha Christie
• Charles Dickens
• Bret Harte
• C.S. Lewis
• Sean O'Casey
• George Bernard Shaw
• Mark Twain
• Mercy Warren
• Daniel Webster
• Phillis Wheatley

CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION DELEGATES:  

• Richard Basset (Governor of Delaware)
• William Blount (U.S. Senator)
• George Clymer (U.S. Representative)
• William Few (U.S. Senator)
• Benjamin Franklin (Inventor and Statesman)
• William Houston (Lawyer)
• William S. Johnson (President of Columbia C.)
• William Livingston (Governor of New Jersey)
• James Madison - 4th President of the U.S.
• George Mason
• John Francis Mercer (U.S. Representative)
• Charles Pickney III (Governor of S. Carolina)
• John Rutledge (Chief Justice U.S. Supreme Court)
• Richard D. Spaight (Governor of N. Carolina)
• George Washington - 1st President of the U.S.
• John Witherspoon (President of Princeton U.)
• George Wythe (Justice of Virginia High Court)

OTHERS:  

• Abigail Adams (Wife of John Adams)
• Ansel Adams (Photographer)
• Clara Barton (Started the Red Cross)
• John Burroughs (Naturalist)
• Andrew Carnegie (Industrialist)
• Charles Chaplin (Actor)
• George Rogers Clark - Explorer
• Noel Coward (Playwright)
• John Paul Jones (Father of the American Navy)
• Sandra Day O'Connor
• Tamara McKinney (World Cup Skier)
• John Stuart Mill (Economist)
• Charles Louis Montesquieu (Philosopher)
• Florence Nightingale (Nurse)
• Sally Ride (Astronaut)
• Bill Ridell (Newspaperman)
• George Rogers Clark (Explorer)
• Will Rogers (Humorist)
• Jim Ryan (World Runner)
• Albert Schweitzer (Physician)
• Leo Tolstoy
• Martha Washington (Wife of George Washington)

Source: http://www.christianhomeschoolers.com/hs_famous_homeschoolers.html

I did not attend the  glorious proms or go to a graduation ceremony and  it did not scar me for life.  This woman, needs to get a grip and take responsiblity for the fact that she is 26 years old and has 8 years since becoming a legal adult to get her life together and make her own choices.  I changed schools 25 times, (mostly public) but I don't hate my parents for it!

Who is raising our children anyway?  Parents or big brother?  So many parents have relegated their authority and decisions to the government in this country that  many refuse to think for themselves and know that they know their own children better than anyone else does!

 After all, I carried, birthed, breastfed (yes dr. phil one of them for THREE AND !/2 years), potty trained, taught them to talk, taught them the alpha bet, taught them to count, read aloud to them every night, taught them hygiene, taught them to share and show compassion for others, taught them that sometimes they have to wait their turn, taught them to respectfully articulate their feelings and opinions, etc and on and on and on and on..... 

People in our society think it is actually the NORM for kids to be disconnected from their families?  No wonder our society is in such sad shape!