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IF YOU MISSED JORAN'S ON AIR INTERVIEW, HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM MSNBC: Joran on Rita--MSNBC 9 27 (brief transcription) …obviously she was drunk. I had stuff to drink, too. But now that I don’t respect that the Arubans authorities try to pin that it was a rape case. She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual. I had something to drink. She had something to drink. And, . . . One day I will explain exactly what happened but right now I don’t…I don’t feel ready to do that. [SAY THAT AGAIN JORAN]

ARTICLE POSTED TODAY IN PHILLY NEWS: MISSING TEEN'S MOM HERE Will retain local lawyer to get Aruba to move on case of missing Natalee Holloway By GLORIA CAMPISI campisg@phillynews.com BETH TWITTY, mother of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, missing in Aruba, plans to meet today with an international attorney in Philadelphia to see if there is anything more she can do to find her missing daughter. Twitty, on her way here last night in a limousine provided by businessman and philanthropist Joe Mammana, who has contributed $250,000 in reward money in Natalee's case, declined to name the attorney. "I want to see what my options are, and how do I go about pursuing those," Twitty said. Natalee, 18, an honors student, hasn't been seen since May 30, the night before she and other students from her Alabama high school were to return home from a senior week trip to the Caribbean island. Aruban authorities arrested seven men in her disappearance. including two Surinamese brothers and their friend, Dutch teen Jaron Van der Sloot, 17. They were last seen leaving a bar with Holloway the night of her disappearance. Van der Sloot allegedly has given conflicting statements to Aruban authorities. All seven have been released, four of them, including van der Sloot's father, a magistrate, early in the investigation. Van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were released on Sept. 3. "They did it [released the young men] under the cloak of Katrina," when national attention was drawn away from Holloway's case by the hurricane, Mammana said angrily. He said he has been involved in the case almost since it's inception, after learning about it on KYW radio, and talked daily with Twitty when she was in Aruba and "several times a week" to her husband. Mammana has provided numerous rewards in cases of crime victims and missing persons, among them LaToyia Figueroa, the missing pregnant Philadelphia woman later found slain, allegedly by the father of her child. Mammana said he would take Twitty before City Council at its weekly session tomorrow . "They want to acknowledge her. I'm going to bring her in with Councilman Jack Kelly," he said. Van der Sloot is now studying at a university in Amsterdam. Twitty said last night she would travel to Holland to publicize the case. "We've had reward posters printed in Dutch. We wanted to make sure it's out in Amsterdam and in the Hague," she said. Aruba is a Dutch protectorate. "We are so determined," Twitty said. "We just feel like if we just continue, that something will break." She said she wanted to put pressure on Aruban judicial officials to go further with the case. "These three young men cannot commit the perfect crime," Twitty said. She said she believed enough pressure would crack one of the suspects "and we will finally find out what happened to Natalee and where she is." Twitty said her family still has hope that Natalee will be found safe. "It doesn't look good, but as parents you always have that hope. It's what keeps you going." Twitty said she feared van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers kidnapped Natalee, "raped her and murdered her. I'm certain they drugged her. That's my worst-case scenario. "We know the facts. All three of these men have admitted to having sex with her, that constitutes a gang rape." Van der Sloot and the brothers originally told investigators they had dropped Holloway off at her hotel the night of her disappearance, prompting authorities to arrest two security guards. Van der Sloot later said he had been on a beach with Holloway but had left her, unharmed. Dutch Marines, Aruban police and thousands of volunteers have scoured the tiny island, which says has about 71,000 residents, but have found no sign of Holloway. Searching by divers was going on as recently as several days ago but has turned up nothing, Twitty said authorities had told her. "They're telling me the case is open," she said. Twitty said previously the investigation by Aruban officials showed a "level of ineptness [that] has been incredible." Yesterday, Twitty said she believed Natalee's case had been "mishandled. I would say that there is some level of collusion and corruption that has been going on in the investigation." Mammana called Aruba "a Third World ghetto," where crimes against American tourists go unreported, and said he planned to help Twitty launch a nationwide boycott of the Caribbean nation. Mammana, a businessman whose investments include suburban real estate and dairy and egg farming, said he would help Twitty find lawyers to press Aruban authorities to go on with the case. "We're going to hound and harass these people forever," he said. "The Aruban government and anybody else involved with this, that we feel did not cooperate and help us. "We're not doing this for money," Mammana said. "We're doing this for revenge. Forget justice."

SO THERE IS NO MISUNDERSTANDING, I DID NOT TRANSLATE THIS DUTCH TEXT, RATHER NUMEROUS SITES WHICH TRANSLATE DUTCH INTO ENGLISH, SUCH AS ALTA VISTA BABEL FISH AND OTHER REPUTABLE TRANSLATION SITES. BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO FORM YOUR OWN OPINION OR TRANSLATE THE DUTCH TEXT INTO ENGLISH FOR YOURSELVES

THIS IN FROM THE AP AND IS POSTED TODAY ON USA TODAY: Man says he did not assault Holloway; teen's mom disagrees NEW YORK (AP) — The mother of a missing Alabama teen said Tuesday that a Dutch man was lying when he denied that he and two other youths had sex with the young woman before she disappeared during a trip to Aruba. Beth Holloway Twitty, responding Tuesday to statements from Joran van der Sloot in an interview with the magazine show A Current Affair, said van der Sloot has admitted sexually assaulting her missing daughter, Natalee Holloway. Holloway Twitty, appearing Tuesday on ABC's Good Morning America and CBS's The Early Show, said van der Sloot and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe told Aruban authorities they had sex with her daughter after leaving a bar on the night of May 30. In the interview, which aired Monday, van der Sloot says, "I kissed with her but neither did Deepak or Satish ever had sex with her and no one ever said otherwise." Not so, Holloway Twitty told CBS' The Early Show. "He admitted this to the interrogators," she said. "He admitted this in front of 10 witnesses in the early morning hours of May 31st of the sexual assault that he committed against Natalee. So, yes, that is a fact."[THAT IS A FACT & THERE ARE 10 WITNESSES] Holloway, an 18-year-old honors student, had graduated from high school in Mountain Brook, Ala., and was on a class trip to Aruba. She was last seen leaving a bar with the three youths. Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers had been held as suspects in the disappearance. But no charges were filed against the three, who were released after an investigation into possible sexual assault and murder. "I don't respect that the Aruban authority tried to pin that it was a rape case," van der Sloot told the television show. He said both he and Holloway had been drinking when they left the bar. "She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual."[TOTALLY CONSENSUAL?] Van der Sloot, 18, is now attending college in Holland. Holloway's mother said she plans to go to Holland to make sure the case is not forgotten. She also disputed van der Sloot's statement that he had "never touched a girl in an aggressive way in my life. Never. And there is no one that can come forward and say otherwise." "Absolutely he's lying," said Holloway Twitty.[JORAN IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ONE OR MORE COME FORWARD/CONTINUE TO COME FORWARD] Van der Sloot admitted he and the Kalpoes lied when they initially told authorities they dropped Holloway off at her hotel. He said he actually went to a beach with her and left her alone there when she declined to leave with him. "We agreed to lie," he said. [WHAT COMPELLS YOU TO ALL/WE AGREE TO LIE, AND CONTINUE YOU TO LIE, IF YOU HAD NO INVOLVEMENT IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE?] At another point in the Current Affair show he said he lied because he was scared and "didn't want to admit to leaving her alone at the beach."

As for the rest of this post, do your research in a THOROUGH manner. For starters, look up the definition for impartial. You may realize the judge who released the suspects was “hardly impartial”, NOT Beth. As for “the evidence”, there is evidence to account for the suspects wrongdoing, and for each/every time each one of them broke the law in 2003, 2004, and 2005. For many including myself, it is only a matter of time for the suspects and other relevant/potentially relevant participants/suspects [Paulus, Jan, Anita, Mrs. Kalpoe, etc.,] to be held accountable, responsible and punished by the law. They are NOT mere boys; THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER! They LIED because they are involved in Natalee’s disappearance. They were NOT scared; their actions were and remain arrogant, unremorseful and disturbing. Equally disturbing, they belittled the victim, Natalee. Acknowledge the fact the innocent have no need to lie, or no need to belittle the victim.

INDIGO – Do your research in the Natalee Holloway case in a more thorough manner. Also, educate yourself on the Aruban/Dutch laws and definitions for the following, as well as, the penalties and convictions for: premeditated or not premeditated - rape, date rape, date rape drugs, sexual assault, sex offenders, sexual predators, assault, kidnapping, murder, underage drinking, underage gambling, purchasing hard alcohol as minor, driving under the influence, driving while intoxicated, as well as, impeding or misleading an investigation by not telling the truth and the whole truth, tampering with evidence, with holding evidence, destroying evidence, etc. THEN ASK YOURSELF THAT “LITTLE QUESTION”: IS THE GUY [JORAN] CONVICTED [NOT CONVECTED] OF ANYTHING YET? ARE THE KALPOE BROTHERS CONVICTED OF ANYTHING YET? IS PAULUS CONVICTED OF ANYTHING YET? [WHY NOT START THERE WITH YOUR QUESTIONS]ISN’T THAT SHOCKING GIVEN WHAT YOU KNOW, NOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE YOUR RESEARCH?

I have to give you some credit for this statement, “See, you might very well be barking up the wrong tree, while the person who is responsible for the missing of Natalee is still running free.” That made me laugh, that was a good one INDIGO, given the PRIME suspect/s, JORAN is “RUNNING FREE”, as well as, the KALPOE BROTHERS, [and PAULUS, etc.] All of the above were released and are currently running free. Ask yourself these most basic questions. Would you feel comfortable if your daughter, your niece, your female friend was currently attending the Arnhem Business School along with Joran? Or went on “a date” or “was drinking” with Joran in Aruba, in Arnhem, in The Netherlands, or anywhere for that matter? Would you feel comfortable if your daughter, your niece, your female friend hung out with Deepak/Satish in Aruba, or at Carlos & Charlie’s, or got into their car, or went anywhere with either or both of them? Ask yourself the same or similar questions but substitute Paulus Van Der Sloot. Then ask yourself, given what you now know, if you are barking up the wrong tree or not?

As for “their efforts to find Natalee” take this into consideration. QUOTE BY SM: “He [Rudy Croes Minister of Justice] can’t understand her [Beth] attitude. People may agree or disagree with Beth Twitty’s reaction to how she is handling the disappearance of Natalee, but I hardly think anyone can say they can’t understand her attitude. Newsflash … her daughter has vanished into thin air while vacationing on your island Justice Minister Croes. 10 days went by before your justice system ever arrested the last people ever to be seen with Natalee. They have reportedly lied during interrogations and Joran has admitted they all three conspired to lie to investigators in the beginning. Searches of the three suspects homes were delayed as 2 security guards were originally arrested. All three suspects last seen with Natalee are free walking the streets of Aruba and seemingly contradicting their stories in interviews. The frustration level alone of no answers and no sign of her daughter right or wrong is enough to make anyone act like this. The lack of perceived cooperation and communication even referenced by Dave Holloway the other night is enough to cause complete frustration. Do you really wonder why or how Beth Twitty could not have this attitude? Really? Your own Prime Minister, [ARUBA] the leader of your party has stated mistakes were made. Some how you can’t understand a mother’s frustration that her daughter has vanished. What is even more amazing about Minister Croes’ comments is they seemingly care more about the affects of tourism rather than the where abouts of missing teen, Natalee Holloway. Every time one turns around there is a reference to tourism. Here lies the rub. As much as it is a concern to Minister Croes and Aruba, tourism is not the concern of Beth Twitty. Getting her daughter back is.” ASK YOURSELF, PERHAPS F-16’S WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NECESSARY IF THE ABOVE HAD NOT OCCURRED IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION/CASE?

STATEMENT: Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility to shut her up in the future. ############################# QUOTE BY SM: “SHUT HER UP IN THE FUTURE? This is a government position to an American mother whose daughter was on vacation in Aruba (of which Americans make up 70% of the Aruban tourism) and vanished without a trace? I had wondered in the past about the comments against Aruba about the purposeful letting out the suspects while Americans backs were turned and focused on hurricanes in the Gulf Coast, Labor Day festivities and the death of a Chief Supreme Court Justice. I had wondered whether it was true about the increased fees for satellite feeds. I questioned whether the comment made to Beth about when was she leaving for good may have been slightly taken out of contest. With an attitude of “shutting someone up” it really makes me wonder. So in other words, the message from Rudy Croes is, unless you play by our rules we not only won’t do anything, we will shut you up?”